self sabotage?: food post

You are thinking about what you are doing, that is an NSV of the highest
magnitude. You are listening to your body and eating less, another NSV.
all you need change is making sure you find something similar to be able to
count the points, I think you rare doing grand, Lee
skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because I
wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was

too

Quoted message said:

busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an afternoon snack on top of that
(12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had

a

Quoted message said:

bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few
mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then
or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I
checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very little cheese, no guac or
sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded
with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

Quoted message said:

that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I
think I'm going to have to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose
weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

Quoted message said:

that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed

it

Quoted message said:

with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the meal
that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't

do

Quoted message said:

that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past
the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and I'm
changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't know
the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and again for some
variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about doing this for the rest of
your life. Don't expect yourself to start any behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of
your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If you feel like you are changing
what you eat depending on what the scale says (for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in
once a week.

Connie

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because I
wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag of ceasar
salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few mini merangues.
(Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers of
salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a
container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my
Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and
neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I can't
imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little and
there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out
to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen now.
I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have
to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I also
know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the point where
dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate
less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and I'm
changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't know
the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and again for
some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155 RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

Thanks Lee. That means a lot to me.

Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

Quoted message said:

You are thinking about what you are doing, that is an NSV of the highest magnitude. You are
listening to your body and eating less, another NSV. all you need change is making sure you find
something similar to be able

to

Quoted message said:

count the points, I think you rare doing grand, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because
I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was

too

Quoted message said:

busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale),

2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very little cheese, no guac
or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be
loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

Quoted message said:

that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

Quoted message said:

that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed

it

Quoted message said:

with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the
meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't

Quoted message said:

do

Quoted message said:

that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway. I just patted myself on the
back for not getting upset about what I saw and moved on for the day. I still didn't track it in my
sheet though, which is probably a very good idea.

Julie

"Connie" <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote in message news:403CE3E6.5080500@nospam_primus.ca...

Quoted message said:

Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about doing this for the rest of
your life. Don't expect yourself to start any behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of
your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If you feel like you are changing
what you eat depending on what the scale says (for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in
once a week.

Connie

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because
I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was

too

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale),

2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very little cheese, no guac
or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be
loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the
meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155 RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of life, enjoying it is part of
life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back
on track at the next opportunity. Make ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other
items. We all do it all the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out may
have been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity you ate is
definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points, probably no damage there.
Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep the quantity under control. I love the tostado
chips, are my downfall whenever we go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make
up for it later in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more than likely just be
salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you
honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a
week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but I still did it.
It became easier down the road. I started by making different choices ... trying the fish at our fav
mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side,
substituting grilled veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really changed and I rarely
think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so well, will automatically tell me what their
seafood of the day is and knows the rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt, check out www.dwlz.com ,
the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your
head before you go, and try to stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because I
wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag of ceasar
salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few mini merangues.
(Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers of
salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a
container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my
Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and
neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I can't
imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little and
there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out to
dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen now.
I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to
make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I also
know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the point where
dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate
less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and I'm
changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't know
the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and again for
some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

and remember there is no right answer to this scale thing. for the first
month I weighed every day. I tracked it to get some kind of trend but it
did upset me a bunch. Then I joined WW and struggled to stay away from the
scale. I finally beat the need to weigh and now I always weigh before going
to my meeting to not have a huge shock in public. Now I weigh additionally
when I feel really bloated or skinny to help me track things and it no
longer bothers me, do what makes you most comfortable, Lee
skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway. I

just

Quoted message said:

patted myself on the back for not getting upset about what I saw and moved on for the day. I still
didn't track it in my sheet though, which is probably a very good idea.

Julie

"Connie" <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote in message news:403CE3E6.5080500@nospam_primus.ca...

Quoted message said:

Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about doing this for the rest of
your life. Don't expect yourself to start any behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of
your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If you feel like you are changing
what you eat depending on what the scale says (for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in
once a week.

Connie

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day
because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it

was

Quoted message said:

too

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

scale),

Quoted message said:

2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand

we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm

not

Quoted message said:

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other

day

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I

do

Quoted message said:

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I

pushed

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past,

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155 RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

Joyce said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of life, enjoying it is part of
life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back
on track at the next opportunity. Make ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other
items. We all do it all the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out
may have been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity you ate is
definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points, probably no damage there.
Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep the quantity under control. I love the tostado
chips, are my downfall whenever we go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make
up for it later in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more than likely just be
salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you
honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a
week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but I still did it.
It became easier down the road. I started by making different choices ... trying the fish at our
fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side,
substituting grilled veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated from
the plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really changed and I
rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so well, will automatically tell me
what their seafood of the day is and knows the rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt, check out www.dwlz.com
, the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings with points. Have somewhat of an idea in
your head before you go, and try to stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because I
wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag of ceasar
salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few mini merangues.
(Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers of
salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a
container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my
Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and
neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I can't
imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little and
there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out
to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen now.
I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have
to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I also
know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the point where
dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate
less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and I'm
changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't know
the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and again for
some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Yes Ma'am! (You're going to have to remind me to do that several times. It's a habit that's harder
to break than smoking for me.) Logically, I know that I didn't eat an additional 3.5K calories, but
I think it's that whole perfectionist thing rearing it's ugly head. In addition to the perfectionism
there is a little bit of "control freak" going on.

I have yet to go to Cozymel's although there is one right down the street from me. How does it
compare to Chevy's?

I have more than enough weight to lose that I'm quite pleased with eating smaller portions and not
going into a "must eat everything" mode when I'm hungry after getting home from work. I've noticed
that after one week of writing it all down (thus automatically eating less since I'm more aware) and
almost one week of being concious of point count/calorie count it seems like I get fuller on less
food and that pleases me to no end.

Julie

"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of

life,

Quoted message said:

enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww

allows you

Quoted message said:

to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next

opportunity. Make

Quoted message said:

ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all

do it all

Quoted message said:

the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out

may have

Quoted message said:

been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the

quantity you

Quoted message said:

ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in

points,

Quoted message said:

probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you

keep

Quoted message said:

the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall

whenever we

Quoted message said:

go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for it

later

Quoted message said:

in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will

more

Quoted message said:

than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess

calories

Quoted message said:

to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in

that

Quoted message said:

dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in
one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer

chocolate

Quoted message said:

cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to

eat - but

Quoted message said:

I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making

different

Quoted message said:

choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and

finding it

Quoted message said:

was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting

grilled

Quoted message said:

veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated

from the

Quoted message said:

plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have

really

Quoted message said:

changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows

me so

Quoted message said:

well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and

knows the

Quoted message said:

rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in

doubt,

Quoted message said:

check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant

listings

Quoted message said:

with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and try

to

Quoted message said:

stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because
I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was

too

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale),

2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were
on there so I don't

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very little cheese, no guac
or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be
loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the meal
that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't

do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and
I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and again for some
variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I couldn't come up with anything
else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I remember correctly, didn't we figure that one
slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I
may have the recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the mastercook program
and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

Fred said:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

Joyce said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of life, enjoying it is part
of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you to go out and enjoy the moment. Get
back on track at the next opportunity. Make ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on
other items. We all do it all the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had
out may have been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity you ate
is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points, probably no damage
there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep the quantity under control. I love the
tostado chips, are my downfall whenever we go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge,
and make up for it later in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more than likely just be
salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you
honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a
week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but I still did it.
It became easier down the road. I started by making different choices ... trying the fish at our
fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the
side, substituting grilled veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated
from the plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really changed
and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so well, will automatically
tell me what their seafood of the day is and knows the rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt, check out www.dwlz.com
, the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings with points. Have somewhat of an idea in
your head before you go, and try to stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

skiur said:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because
I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag of
ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few mini
merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers of
salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a
container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my
Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com and
neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I can't
imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little and
there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were out
to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen
now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to
have to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want
to celebrate with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I also
know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the point
where dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think
that I ate less in general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and
I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't
know the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to
dinner though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and
again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

I recall thinking it was a black hole of points, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I

couldn't come

Quoted message said:

up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I

remember

Quoted message said:

correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It
definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have

the

Quoted message said:

recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the

mastercook

Quoted message said:

program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

Joyce said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of

life,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww

allows you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next

opportunity. Make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all

do it all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had

out may have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the

quantity you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in

points,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if

you keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall

whenever we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for

it later

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see

will more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is

pretty

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer

chocolate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to

eat - but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making

different

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and

finding it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting

grilled

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated

from the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes

have really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows

me so

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and

knows the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in

doubt,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant

listings

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and

try to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day
>because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it

was too

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

scale), 2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>
>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
>wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand

we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?
>
>I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>with food (self sabotage?).
>
>I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I

pushed it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the
>meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.
>
>I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>now and again for some variety.
>
>Suggestions?
>
>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>
>Julie

Tricky name - Fred's chocolate cake. Actually, I got the recipe from a local newspaper. And yes, a
gazillion calories or points was about right.

Joyce said:

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I couldn't come up with anything
else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I remember correctly, didn't we figure that one
slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I
may have the recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the mastercook program
and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

Fred said:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

Joyce said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of life, enjoying it is part
of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you to go out and enjoy the moment. Get
back on track at the next opportunity. Make ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on
other items. We all do it all the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you
had out may have been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity
you ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points, probably no
damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep the quantity under control. I
love the tostado chips, are my downfall whenever we go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the
splurge, and make up for it later in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more than likely just
be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you
honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a
week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but I still did
it. It became easier down the road. I started by making different choices ... trying the fish at
our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the
side, substituting grilled veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated
from the plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really changed
and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so well, will automatically
tell me what their seafood of the day is and knows the rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt, check out
www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings with points. Have somewhat
of an idea in your head before you go, and try to stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day because
>I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning
>snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
>afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag of
>ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few mini
>merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>
>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers
>of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish
>a container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of
>my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com
>and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I
>can't imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little
>and there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were
>out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?
>
>I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen
>now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to
>have to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then
>want to celebrate with food (self sabotage?).
>
>I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
>trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
>quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in
>the past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I
>also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the
>point where dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also
>think that I ate less in general this time.
>
>I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and
>I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't
>know the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to
>dinner though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every now and
>again for some variety.
>
>Suggestions?
>
>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>
>Julie

Thanks Lee.

I did take my measurements and tucked them in my desk drawer for a week where I'm not seeing
scale movement. I really don't want dh to see those numbers (until I've made significant
progress, of course).

Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

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and remember there is no right answer to this scale thing. for the first month I weighed every
day. I tracked it to get some kind of trend but it did upset me a bunch. Then I joined WW and
struggled to stay away from

the

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scale. I finally beat the need to weigh and now I always weigh before

going

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to my meeting to not have a huge shock in public. Now I weigh

additionally

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when I feel really bloated or skinny to help me track things and it no longer bothers me, do what
makes you most comfortable, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jvOcnQIYu61eo6Dd3cwC-
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Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway. I

just

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patted myself on the back for not getting upset about what I saw and

moved

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on for the day. I still didn't track it in my sheet though, which is probably a very good idea.

Julie

"Connie" <walshclan@nospam_primus.ca> wrote in message news:403CE3E6.5080500@nospam_primus.ca...

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Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about doing this for the rest
of your life. Don't expect yourself to start

any

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behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If you feel like you are
changing what you eat depending on what the scale

says

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(for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in once a week.

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lower

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too

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> snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous.

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had a

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> bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

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2

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> crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>
> When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

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> I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with

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take

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(no

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idea

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> how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
> wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

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> and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

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> know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner

portion

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that

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> I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

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we

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> I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm

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see

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or

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> more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

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> with food (self sabotage?).
>
> I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early

in

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this

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know

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> that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I

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it

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> that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past)

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can

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> keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that

this

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time

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> because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less

in

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> general this time.
>
> I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't

know

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all

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> the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply

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some

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though

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> because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

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> now and again for some variety.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>
> Julie
>
>

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155 RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

Is Fred's cake anything like the Portillo's chocolate cake?

Julie

"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I

couldn't come

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up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I

remember

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correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It
definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have

the

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recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the

mastercook

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program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

Joyce said:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of

life,

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enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww

allows you

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to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next

opportunity. Make

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ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all

do it all

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the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had

out may have

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been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the

quantity you

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ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in

points,

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probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if

you keep

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the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall

whenever we

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go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for

it later

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in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see

will more

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than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess

calories

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to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in

that

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dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is

pretty

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difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer

chocolate

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cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to

eat - but

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I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making

different

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choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and

finding it

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was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting

grilled

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veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated

from the

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plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes

have really

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changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows

me so

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well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and

knows the

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rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in

doubt,

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check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant

listings

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with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and

try to

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stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

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>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day
>because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning

I

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>woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it

was too

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>busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

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>snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

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>bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

scale), 2

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>crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>
>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

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>I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

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>huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

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>how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
>wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

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>and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

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>know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

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>I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

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>little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand

we

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>were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?
>
>I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

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>that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

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>sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

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>more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

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>with food (self sabotage?).
>
>I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

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>new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

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>that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I

pushed it

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>with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the
>meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't do

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>that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

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>keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

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>because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.
>
>I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

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>the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

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>arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

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>on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner

though

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>because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

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>now and again for some variety.
>
>Suggestions?
>
>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>
>Julie

Nah, a black hole sucks everything in - this stuffs everything out - maybe more like the big bang -
infinitely expanding.

Miss Violette said:

I recall thinking it was a black hole of points, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I

couldn't come

Quoted message said:

up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I

remember

Quoted message said:

correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It
definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have

the

Quoted message said:

recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the

mastercook

Quoted message said:

program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part
of life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of

life,

Quoted message said:

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>enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww

allows you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next

opportunity. Make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all

do it all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had

out may have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the

quantity you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in

points,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if

you keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall

whenever we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for

it later

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.
>
>Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see

will more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is

pretty

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer

chocolate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>cake).
>
>I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to

eat - but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making

different

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and

finding it

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Quoted message said:

>was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting

grilled

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>veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated

from the

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>plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes

have really

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Quoted message said:

>changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows

me so

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and

knows the

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Quoted message said:

>rest of the order. LOL
>
>Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in

doubt,

Quoted message said:

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>check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant

listings

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and

try to

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>stick to it. I think you're doing great.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

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>
>>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day
>>because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning

I

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>>woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it

was too

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>>busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

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>>snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I

had a

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>>bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

scale), 2

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>>crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>>
>>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

Quoted message said:

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>>I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I

take

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>>huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no

idea

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>>how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
>>wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

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>>and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

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Quoted message said:

>>know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion

that

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>>I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

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>>little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand

we

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>>were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?
>>
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didn't do

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>>Suggestions?
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>>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>>
>>Julie
>>

I never did measure, I think I would have been horrified, and if I didn't
measure at the except time, failure, so no measuring for me, Lee
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Thanks Lee.

I did take my measurements and tucked them in my desk drawer for a week where I'm not seeing scale
movement. I really don't want dh to see those numbers (until I've made significant progress, of
course).

Julie

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and remember there is no right answer to this scale thing. for the first month I weighed every
day. I tracked it to get some kind of trend but

it

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did upset me a bunch. Then I joined WW and struggled to stay away from

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scale. I finally beat the need to weigh and now I always weigh before

going

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to my meeting to not have a huge shock in public. Now I weigh

additionally

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when I feel really bloated or skinny to help me track things and it no longer bothers me, do
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Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway.

I

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on for the day. I still didn't track it in my sheet though, which is probably a very good
idea.

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> Julie:
>
> Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about doing this for the rest
> of your life. Don't expect yourself to start

any

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> behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of your life.
>
> From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
> diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
> (count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If

you

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> need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No

worries.

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> Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.
>
> Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If

you

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> feel like you are changing what you eat depending on what the scale

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> (for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in once a week.
>
> Connie
>
> skiur wrote:
> > I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a

lower

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> > woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because

it

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was

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too
> > busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
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> > bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

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2
> > crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
> >
> > When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
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> > I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with

it-I

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take
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Napa

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site
> > and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I

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very

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> > I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and

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not

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see

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other

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day

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or
> > more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
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> > with food (self sabotage?).
> >
> > I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so

early

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in

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this
> > new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?).

I

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do

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it
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I

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can
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this

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> > because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate

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in

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> > general this time.
> >
> > I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't

know

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all
> > the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply

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> > on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to

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every
> > now and again for some variety.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
>
> Connie Walsh
>
> 241.5/202/155 RAFL 210.5/202/198.5
>

There ya go, you knew what I wanted to say, Lee
Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nah, a black hole sucks everything in - this stuffs everything out - maybe more like the big bang
- infinitely expanding.

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I recall thinking it was a black hole of points, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I

couldn't come

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up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I

remember

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correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a

gazillion

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calories? <G> It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may

have

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the

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recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the

mastercook

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program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred <[email hidden]>

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>Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part
>of life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term
>solution
>
>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part

of

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life,

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>>enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and

ww

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allows you

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>>to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next

opportunity. Make

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>>ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We

all

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do it all

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>>the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had

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>>ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low

in

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points,

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>>probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad

if

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you keep

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downfall

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whenever we

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>>go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up

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it later

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>>in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.
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will more

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>>than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500

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calories

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>>difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's

killer

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chocolate

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eat - but

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>>I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making

different

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>>choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and

finding it

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>>was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting

grilled

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>>veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be

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from the

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>>plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes

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me so

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>>well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and

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in

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doubt,

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>>check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of

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listings

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>>stick to it. I think you're doing great.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

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>>>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a

lower

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>>>points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This

morning

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I

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>>>woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it

was too

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>>>busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an

afternoon

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>>>snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous.

I

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had a

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>>>bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the

scale), 2

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>>>crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>>>
>>>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,

Chevy's.

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>>>I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with

it-I

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take

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>>>huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips

(no

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idea

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>>>how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a
>>>wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's

site

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>>>and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't

really

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>>>know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner

portion

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that

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>>>I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was

very

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right?

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>>>
>>>I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm

not

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sure

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see

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some

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day

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or

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celebrate

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>>>with food (self sabotage?).
>>>
>>>I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early

in

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this

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do

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know

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pushed it

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past, I

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didn't do

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I

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this

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time

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in

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>>>general this time.
>>>
>>>I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't

know

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though

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>>>because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

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>>>now and again for some variety.
>>>
>>>Suggestions?
>>>
>>>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>>>
>>>Julie
>>>

skiur said:

I can't imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so little
and there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we were
out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

Uhm .... NO.

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I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen now.
I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have
to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate with food (self sabotage?).

The current weight of one's body is depending on so many factors (water *gulpgulpgulp* intake during
the last couple of days, water *gulpgulpgulp* retention inside the body etc.) that the weight is +/-
1.5 kg for the average human being.

When my wife started WW we weighted her weekly, on Sundays first thing in the morning. When she lost
weight during the week we went for a jog and used those activity points plus the fiesta points she
had saved during the week to celebrate at a fast food joint of our choice, including a dessert.

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I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after my
quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do that. I also
know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past the point where
dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate
less in general this time.

So, *I* don't see a problem there 🙂

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I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and I'm
changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I don't know
the nutritional information on is difficult for me.

Don't worry, you'll get a hang for the point values of various foods very soon. When my wife started
she used her guides everytime we went shopping for food and when we went out to dinner. By now she
knows almost everything by heart.

Same happend to me when I started mid December. By know I have my "standard" meals memorized and log
everything at the end of the day.

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I don't want to give up going out to dinner though because it's a break that I need from cooking
and I like to get out every now and again for some variety.

We went out about twice a week, mostly on weekends. Absolutely no problem with that. It keeps you
happy and that's what counts.

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Suggestions?

Enjoy your life, stick to your plans and don't judge yourself by the scale or by the look in the
mirror. My wife was bragging about not seeing any changes in her body after 6 weeks of WW (she lost
almost 8 kg ( 17,5 lbs) by then. That was when she met a friend for the first time in 8 weeks and
even before saying "Hi" she went "OMG you lost so much!"

Cheers Marc
(194/178/165)

-)

Thanks Marc. I see that the H2O game is in effect here.

Julie

"Marc Heimann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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skiur said:

I can't imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so
little and there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand
we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

Uhm .... NO.

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I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not

sure

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that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see

some

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sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day

or

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more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to

celebrate

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with food (self sabotage?).

The current weight of one's body is depending on so many factors (water *gulpgulpgulp* intake
during the last couple of days, water *gulpgulpgulp* retention inside the body etc.) that the
weight is +/-1.5 kg for the average human being.

When my wife started WW we weighted her weekly, on Sundays first thing in the morning. When she
lost weight during the week we went for a jog and used those activity points plus the fiesta
points she had saved during the week to celebrate at a fast food joint of our choice, including a
dessert.

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I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in

this

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new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do

know

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that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed

it

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with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I would have gotten the
meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I

didn't do

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that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I

can

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keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this

time

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because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in general this time.

So, *I* don't see a problem there 🙂

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I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know

all

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the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning

some

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arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional

information

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on is difficult for me.

Don't worry, you'll get a hang for the point values of various foods very soon. When my wife
started she used her guides everytime we went shopping for food and when we went out to dinner. By
now she knows almost everything by heart.

Same happend to me when I started mid December. By know I have my "standard" meals memorized and
log everything at the end of the day.

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I don't want to give up going out to dinner though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out

every

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now and again for some variety.

We went out about twice a week, mostly on weekends. Absolutely no problem with that. It keeps you
happy and that's what counts.

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Suggestions?

Enjoy your life, stick to your plans and don't judge yourself by the scale or by the look in the
mirror. My wife was bragging about not seeing any changes in her body after 6 weeks of WW (she
lost almost 8 kg ( 17,5 lbs) by then. That was when she met a friend for the first time in 8 weeks
and even before saying "Hi" she went "OMG you lost so much!"

Cheers Marc
(194/178/165)

It must have been bad enough that I didn't save it - could have sworn I did but it's not around.
Maybe it was the cheesecake I saved? Oh well, maybe next time you fix it you'll be brave enough to
post the recipe again. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

Tricky name - Fred's chocolate cake. Actually, I got the recipe from a local newspaper. And yes, a
gazillion calories or points was about right.

Joyce said:

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I couldn't come up with anything
else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I remember correctly, didn't we figure that one
slice had something like a gazillion calories? <G> It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think
I may have the recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

Fred said:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent points. Eating out is part of
life and finding reasonable foods on those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? <grin> Going out is part of life, enjoying it is part
>of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you to go out and enjoy the moment. Get
>back on track at the next opportunity. Make ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on
>other items. We all do it all the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you
>had out may have been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity
>you ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points, probably no
>damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep the quantity under control. I
>love the tostado chips, are my downfall whenever we go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy
>the splurge, and make up for it later in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look
>ahead.
>
>Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more than likely just
>be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you
>honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in
>a week, it is pretty difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
>chocolate cake).
>
>I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but I still did
>it. It became easier down the road. I started by making different choices ... trying the fish at
>our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on
>the side, substituting grilled veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be
>eliminated from the plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have
>really changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so well, will
>automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and knows the rest of the order. LOL
>
>Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt, check out
>www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings with points. Have somewhat
>of an idea in your head before you go, and try to stick to it. I think you're doing great.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower points sort of day
>>because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped
>>the morning snack because it was too busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and
>>had an afternoon snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a bag
>>of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2 crab stix, and a few
>>mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)
>>
>>When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's. I had 3 containers
>>of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take huge scoops of salsa so I could finish
>>a container with 5-6 chips (no idea how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of
>>my Napa quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site and dwlz.com
>>and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really know what to count dinner as. I
>>can't imagine that the dinner portion that I ate had substantial points because it was so
>>little and there was very little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand
>>we were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?
>>
>>I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure that will happen
>>now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some sort of trend, but I think I'm going
>>to have to make it every other day or more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then
>>want to celebrate with food (self sabotage?).
>>
>>I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this new woe because I'm
>>trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know that I was completely satisfied after
>>my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that
>>in the past, I would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do
>>that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can keep eating well past
>>the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this time because I noticed I was feeling full. I
>>also think that I ate less in general this time.
>>
>>I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all the point values and
>>I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some arbitrary number to something that I
>>don't know the nutritional information on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going
>>out to dinner though because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every
>>now and again for some variety.
>>
>>Suggestions?
>>
>>This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.
>>
>>Julie