Seen in another place - road rage

"wafflycat" <wafflesATv21netDOTcoDOTuk> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Seen on the CTT forum

<http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?s=3c9a33f551400f631ba4c9a2dca0f296&showtopic=799>

"This just cropped up on our "bicycle user group" intranet at work:

Severin Carrell, a journalist at The Independent, would like to hear about
recent cases (last three years) of cyclists being assaulted by drivers (or
had a vehicle deliberately driven into them) when the cyclist is very
clear they were in the right. She is particularly keen to hear about cases
reported to the police, and whether any action was taken.

Please contact [email hidden] directly by email, entitling
your response 'Assault while cycling'. She has warned that she may not be
able to reply immediately. "

Would that include the both times when I was verbal at them first and they
then tried to run me over, the latter the police were called but said it was
just a private argument despite the fact the guy was also trying to hit me
with a cosh? However, they never caught up with me, so I suppose I don't
qualify 🙂

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Would that include the both times when I was verbal at them first and they
then tried to run me over, the latter the police were called but said it
was just a private argument despite the fact the guy was also trying to
hit me with a cosh? However, they never caught up with me, so I suppose I
don't qualify 🙂

Had an altercation with a cabbie yesterday evening, I was on my skates
though. Tried to run me over in the bus lane and told me I shouldn't be on
the road. 15-18mph on the pavement through rush hour pedestrians is a good
idea? I think not.

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Would that include the both times when I was verbal at them first and
they then tried to run me over, the latter the police were called but
said it was just a private argument despite the fact the guy was also
trying to hit me with a cosh? However, they never caught up with me, so I
suppose I don't qualify 🙂

Had an altercation with a cabbie yesterday evening, I was on my skates
though. Tried to run me over in the bus lane and told me I shouldn't be
on the road. 15-18mph on the pavement through rush hour pedestrians is a
good idea? I think not.

Went on the rollerstroll on Sunday. Take 100+ skaters down the Thames Path
at Hammersmith a good idea on a bank holiday? I think not.

LSMike said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Would that include the both times when I was verbal at them first and they
then tried to run me over, the latter the police were called but said it
was just a private argument despite the fact the guy was also trying to
hit me with a cosh? However, they never caught up with me, so I suppose I
don't qualify 🙂

Had an altercation with a cabbie yesterday evening, I was on my skates
though. Tried to run me over in the bus lane and told me I shouldn't be on
the road. 15-18mph on the pavement through rush hour pedestrians is a good
idea? I think not.

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

LSMike said:

Had an altercation with a cabbie yesterday evening, I was on my skates
though. Tried to run me over in the bus lane and told me I shouldn't be
on
the road. 15-18mph on the pavement through rush hour pedestrians is a
good
idea? I think not.

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Why would you say that?

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Went on the rollerstroll on Sunday. Take 100+ skaters down the Thames Path
at Hammersmith a good idea on a bank holiday? I think not.

I don't know the area and wasn't on that skate. What happened?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.

I would have thought the road was by far the most sensible place to be.

The road is there for the use of all - whether they are in a car, on a
bike, walking, skating or riding a horse (and many more besides).

Would the taxi-driver have had a go at someone riding a horse in the
bus lane - I doubt it. Does he complain every time he is slowed down by
a bus stopping to pick up passengers? Probably not. How about marching
band - should they be confined to the pavement?

If anybody's granny is allowed to cycle at 3mph to the post office, why
shouldn't a skater be allowed to go "as slow as" 15 mph?

LSMike said:

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.

Quoted message said:

Why would you say that?

I wondered that too. When I skate in the street I tend to transition
between the road and the pavement quite naturally depending on my
speed, the density of pedestrians, the amount of traffic and the
quality of the surfaces. I'm not as happy mixing it with cars as I am
on the bike, but then I'm nowhere near as good a skater as you. Would
you happen to know what the legal situation is for street skaters?

--
Dave...

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Went on the rollerstroll on Sunday. Take 100+ skaters down the Thames
Path at Hammersmith a good idea on a bank holiday? I think not.

I don't know the area and wasn't on that skate. What happened?

It was a Hyde Park to Ealing skate. I didn't make the full skate, being my
first of the year. Not sure who checked out the route, but at the first stop
they said "There's a section of gravel coming up in the next bit, not too
long", but I dropped out before this. Being a nice day, the pubs (Black Lion
in Hammersmith/Thames Path and the other two) were jammed, there was a big
cheer, but I also heard quite a few comments from peds who were miffed. You
can imagine 100+ skaters in single file created a bit of a change.

Personally I will stick to road only ones, or will just do paths on my own
or in small groups. Fitted new wheels and insoles as per recommendation and
still feeling the vibration. I really do wish they'd redo all the roads in
London with the smooth stuff 😉 All in all it started well, and I was
getting tired so probably just losing my rag.

Anyway, good to be back out and plenty more exercise to be had this year.
The FNS will have to wait until I get quicker. Maybe I need new bearings.

"dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

LSMike said:

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.

Quoted message said:

Why would you say that?

I wondered that too. When I skate in the street I tend to transition
between the road and the pavement quite naturally depending on my
speed, the density of pedestrians, the amount of traffic and the
quality of the surfaces. I'm not as happy mixing it with cars as I am
on the bike, but then I'm nowhere near as good a skater as you. Would
you happen to know what the legal situation is for street skaters?

--
Dave...

You sound like a pretty good skater! I follow much the same routine you do,
it depends on what's appropriate. I tend to take it easy and act more like
a pedestrian on the pavement, and more like a bike in the road. Like you
IMO the pavement is definitely not the place to be when going fast and
making distance.

I'm fairly happy on the road, but I do notice cagers get way more aggressive
towards me skating than when on the bike. I think the legal situation is
grey and undefined, which is probably a good thing really.

btw. I wouldn't say I'm that good a skater, there are always many better
skaters. I might just be good enough to do the things I need do though. 😉

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Went on the rollerstroll on Sunday. Take 100+ skaters down the Thames
Path at Hammersmith a good idea on a bank holiday? I think not.

I don't know the area and wasn't on that skate. What happened?

It was a Hyde Park to Ealing skate. I didn't make the full skate, being my
first of the year. Not sure who checked out the route, but at the first
stop they said "There's a section of gravel coming up in the next bit, not
too long", but I dropped out before this. Being a nice day, the pubs
(Black Lion in Hammersmith/Thames Path and the other two) were jammed,
there was a big cheer, but I also heard quite a few comments from peds who
were miffed. You can imagine 100+ skaters in single file created a bit of
a change.

OK, I guess a combination of a big pack of skaters getting in the way and
the same old attitude so many cagers have to bikes and anything else
"strange"?

Quoted message said:

Personally I will stick to road only ones, or will just do paths on my own
or in small groups. Fitted new wheels and insoles as per recommendation
and still feeling the vibration. I really do wish they'd redo all the
roads in London with the smooth stuff 😉 All in all it started well, and I
was getting tired so probably just losing my rag.

The roads here sure are rough on itty bitty skate wheels. 🙂 Think of it
as good training for your balance. I and other Londoners are often well
amused when we're over on the continent. Lots of skaters there are only
used to smooth surfaces, and they stumble something cronic over the
slightest bit of roughness that isn't enough to make most of us even start
to pay much attention.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, good to be back out and plenty more exercise to be had this year.
The FNS will have to wait until I get quicker. Maybe I need new bearings.

You know there's a long slow skate on Thursday evenings now? It's split
fairly evenly between working on technique and on fitness, and is of course
free. The goal is to skate slow enough that there's no panting or red
faces, and everyone can still talk pleasantly. Meet at the Beach at 19.00,
weather permitting, and we stay inside the park.

dkahn400 said:

Would
you happen to know what the legal situation is for street skaters?

AFAIK, motorised vehicles are banned from the pavement but there is no
reverse ban on non-motorised vehicles [or pedestrians] using the road
(we still don't have a crime of jaywalking in this country). Hence I
would assume that skaters have every right to be on the road.

d.

davek said:

(we still don't have a crime of jaywalking in this country)

Unlike the "land of the free" :-)

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>
>
> Went on the rollerstroll on Sunday. Take 100+ skaters down the Thames
> Path at Hammersmith a good idea on a bank holiday? I think not.

I don't know the area and wasn't on that skate. What happened?

It was a Hyde Park to Ealing skate. I didn't make the full skate, being
my first of the year. Not sure who checked out the route, but at the
first stop they said "There's a section of gravel coming up in the next
bit, not too long", but I dropped out before this. Being a nice day, the
pubs (Black Lion in Hammersmith/Thames Path and the other two) were
jammed, there was a big cheer, but I also heard quite a few comments from
peds who were miffed. You can imagine 100+ skaters in single file created
a bit of a change.

OK, I guess a combination of a big pack of skaters getting in the way and
the same old attitude so many cagers have to bikes and anything else
"strange"?

Quoted message said:

Personally I will stick to road only ones, or will just do paths on my
own or in small groups. Fitted new wheels and insoles as per
recommendation and still feeling the vibration. I really do wish they'd
redo all the roads in London with the smooth stuff 😉 All in all it
started well, and I was getting tired so probably just losing my rag.

The roads here sure are rough on itty bitty skate wheels. 🙂 Think of it
as good training for your balance. I and other Londoners are often well
amused when we're over on the continent. Lots of skaters there are only
used to smooth surfaces, and they stumble something cronic over the
slightest bit of roughness that isn't enough to make most of us even start
to pay much attention.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, good to be back out and plenty more exercise to be had this year.
The FNS will have to wait until I get quicker. Maybe I need new bearings.

You know there's a long slow skate on Thursday evenings now? It's split
fairly evenly between working on technique and on fitness, and is of
course free. The goal is to skate slow enough that there's no panting or
red faces, and everyone can still talk pleasantly. Meet at the Beach at
19.00, weather permitting, and we stay inside the park.

Didn't know about the Thursday evening skate, no. Sounds interesting. I was
pretty soaked through after 7 miles the other day. I guess being 6ft and 16
stone doesn't help, except downhill!

Heard a comment at Wimbledon station when making my way back .. "Isn't he a
bit big for those", followed by "Yes, but they look dangerous too, I
couldn't do it". 🙂

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

LSMike said:

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Would that include the both times when I was verbal at them first and

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then tried to run me over, the latter the police were called but said

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was just a private argument despite the fact the guy was also trying to
hit me with a cosh? However, they never caught up with me, so I suppose

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

don't qualify 🙂

Had an altercation with a cabbie yesterday evening, I was on my skates
though. Tried to run me over in the bus lane and told me I shouldn't be

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the road. 15-18mph on the pavement through rush hour pedestrians is a

good

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

idea? I think not.

Nor was skating down the road ISTM.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

____________________________________________

I have always understood that the public highway is just that; a highway for
the use of the public. ie pedestrians, wheelchair/electric mobility
scooters, milk floats, rag and bone men pushing handcarts, marching boy
scouts, horse riders, JCBs etc etc etc (oh and cars, cycles, lorries etc).
It's just tough if any particular vehicle is held up by a slower one. They
are free to overtake when it's safe to do so.

Many persons in specific groups, resent being 'held up' by slower groups
even though they in turn, hold up yet faster ones.

Bus lanes are part of the highway reserved only for buses and any other
vehicles mentioned on the signs.
I have no idea whether or not walkers, wheelchairs etc can use them, as they
aren't given specific permission to be in the bus lane.
Perhaps they can't be kept out, as the legislation probably doesn't apply to
them anyway.
I wouldn't have thought that a marching group, for instance would be
expected to stay out in the main car route when there is a bus lane that
they could use.

Paul.