See what you did?

JP said:

If you don't [respond] he'll just fade away.

Unfortunately, the evidence seems against this.

Pete H

--
Either everyone has rights or some have privileges.
It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:39:12 GMT, bizbee <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:37:22 GMT in <SnBNd.29021$8a6.4600@trndny09>,
"JP" <[email hidden]> graced the world with this
thought:

Quoted message said:

You fed the troll.
He didn't respond to your post, just called you names and
then pasted in his boilerplate rant, full of inaccuracies, quotes
taken out of context, anecdotal opinion and pseudoscience.
He has no interest in wilderness, just his neighborhood park,
a park system in the San Francisco area that was reclaimed from
the worst types of ecological ravages and is itself a prime example if the
resiliance of "nature" and a refutation of his prime argument.
His dispute with bikes is of a personal nature disguised as ecological
concern.
From his inane hypothesis to his spurious degree he is a fraud.
If you feed him he grows, gobbling bandwidth with his longwinded nonsense.
If you don't he'll just fade away.

I think you're pretty much wrong on all counts, ignoring him hasn't
worked for the past ten years, so I"m relatively certain you can plan
on it not going anywhere until he's incapable of using a computer any
longer. Of course, you must've just gotten here, or you'd know his
credentials are, surprisingly, authentic.
Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a nutcase.

He is unaware of what other people think, only interpreting it in
terms of his own worldview, which he defines as the truth.

He does apparently have a real PhD, in psychology, with an undergrad
degree in mathematics. He believes that this makes him expert on all
topics, and more infallible than the Pope.

He has no control over his actions. He will compulsively post, and
respond to replies, but never with a new thought.

When he replies, he has no choice but to add back in all of his usual
cross-posted groups. I have been experimenting, and he has not missed
one time.

He will keep this up as long as he can, because it is out of his
control. And, he will never accomplish anything.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

In article said:

JP wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you don't [respond] he'll just fade away.

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, the evidence seems against this.

"Someone will always respiond." Sheldon's Law.

-Pete

--

"It's a sad day for american capitalism when a man
can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park."
J. Moran

In article <[email hidden]>,

bizbee said:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:37:22 GMT in <SnBNd.29021$8a6.4600@trndny09>,
"JP" <[email hidden]> graced the world with this
thought:

Quoted message said:

You fed the troll.

New here, eh?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He didn't respond to your post, just called you names and

....

Quoted message said:

I think you're pretty much wrong on all counts, ignoring him hasn't
worked for the past ten years, so I"m relatively certain you can plan

......
Got that.

Learn to cut down the followups. Preserves free speech.
Converge to no group.

--

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think you're pretty much wrong on all counts, ignoring him hasn't
worked for the past ten years, so I"m relatively certain you can plan
on it not going anywhere until he's incapable of using a computer any
longer. Of course, you must've just gotten here, or you'd know his
credentials are, surprisingly, authentic.
Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a nutcase.

Sorry, I don't know that his credentials are authentic nor do
I see myself wrong on all counts.
I've googled his links, read his [censored], referenced his sources.
I don't see verification of surprising authenticity.
What I see is a typical usenet bully, using the sham of intellectual
prowess to intimidate someone without academic credentials or background.

I see arguments so sloppy that they would cause rejection of a graduate
thesis,
probably even an undergraduate one.
I see "evidence" presented that does not stand up to scrutiny.
I see references taken out of context to support his arguments when in fact
they do not.
His entire focus centers on the east bay park system, his neighborhood.
Wilderness has nothing to do with it, environment has nothing to do with it.

Ignoring him stops the thread. Someone always takes the bait, but if no
one does
it has the same impact as ***"Real Schoolgirls - I paid them for sex"***,
another forgettable line of spam garbage, easy to pass by.
No thread, no attention, thwarting his need to disprove his impotence.
He proudly declares his lack of effectiveness in his tagline.........
"(I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)"

Unfortunately that's how trolls works as you already know.

No matter what he says, he'll always draw someone into an argument that goes
nowhere. From the amount of crossposting he does, he's going to get a lot
of people trying to argue their side in vain. The bottom line is, you just
can't ignore him, (not everyone all of the time anyway.)

Let 'em feed the trolls if they wish, they're the ones making an ass of
themselves.

Ne>

Quoted message said:

Let 'em feed the trolls if they wish, they're the ones making an ass of
themselves.

Admittedly it's a strong temptation. But surely there must be something
better out there - like hitting oneself on the head with a hammer
because it feels so good once you stop.

Assuredly no more ridiculous an example than anything MV can protrude
upon the consciousness politic.

Pete H

--
Either everyone has rights or some have privileges.
It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:08:34 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
..> >
..> I think you're pretty much wrong on all counts, ignoring him hasn't
..> worked for the past ten years, so I"m relatively certain you can plan
..> on it not going anywhere until he's incapable of using a computer any
..> longer. Of course, you must've just gotten here, or you'd know his
..> credentials are, surprisingly, authentic.
..> Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a nutcase.
..
..Sorry, I don't know that his credentials are authentic nor do
..I see myself wrong on all counts.
..I've googled his links, read his [censored], referenced his sources.
..I don't see verification of surprising authenticity.
..What I see is a typical usenet bully, using the sham of intellectual
..prowess to intimidate someone without academic credentials or background.
..
..I see arguments so sloppy that they would cause rejection of a graduate
..thesis,
..probably even an undergraduate one.

Sure. That's how I got my Ph.D.

..I see "evidence" presented that does not stand up to scrutiny.

Conveniently, you offer NOT ONE example (hint: because you CAN'T).

..I see references taken out of context to support his arguments when in fact
..they do not.
..His entire focus centers on the east bay park system, his neighborhood.
..Wilderness has nothing to do with it, environment has nothing to do with it.
..
..Ignoring him stops the thread. Someone always takes the bait, but if no
..one does
..it has the same impact as ***"Real Schoolgirls - I paid them for sex"***,
..another forgettable line of spam garbage, easy to pass by.
..No thread, no attention, thwarting his need to disprove his impotence.
..He proudly declares his lack of effectiveness in his tagline.........
.."(I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
..construction.)"

You are all wet.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:08:34 GMT, "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
..> >
..> I think you're pretty much wrong on all counts, ignoring him hasn't
..> worked for the past ten years, so I"m relatively certain you can plan
..> on it not going anywhere until he's incapable of using a computer any
..> longer. Of course, you must've just gotten here, or you'd know his
..> credentials are, surprisingly, authentic.
..> Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a nutcase.
..
..Sorry, I don't know that his credentials are authentic nor do
..I see myself wrong on all counts.
..I've googled his links, read his [censored], referenced his sources.
..I don't see verification of surprising authenticity.
..What I see is a typical usenet bully, using the sham of intellectual
..prowess to intimidate someone without academic credentials or background.
..
..I see arguments so sloppy that they would cause rejection of a graduate
..thesis,
..probably even an undergraduate one.

Sure. That's how I got my Ph.D.

..I see "evidence" presented that does not stand up to scrutiny.

Conveniently, you offer NOT ONE example (hint: because you CAN'T).

..I see references taken out of context to support his arguments when in fact
..they do not.
..His entire focus centers on the east bay park system, his neighborhood.
..Wilderness has nothing to do with it, environment has nothing to do with it.
..
..Ignoring him stops the thread. Someone always takes the bait, but if no
..one does
..it has the same impact as ***"Real Schoolgirls - I paid them for sex"***,
..another forgettable line of spam garbage, easy to pass by.
..No thread, no attention, thwarting his need to disprove his impotence.
..He proudly declares his lack of effectiveness in his tagline.........
.."(I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
..construction.)"

You are all wet.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:40:13 -0000, "Ne><uS" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Unfortunately that's how trolls works as you already know.
..
..No matter what he says, he'll always draw someone into an argument that goes
..nowhere. From the amount of crossposting he does, he's going to get a lot
..of people trying to argue their side in vain. The bottom line is, you just
..can't ignore him, (not everyone all of the time anyway.)

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I win, because there's no way you can
justify your selfish, destructive sport.

..Let 'em feed the trolls if they wish, they're the ones making an ass of
..themselves.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:40:13 -0000, "Ne><uS" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Unfortunately that's how trolls works as you already know.
..
..No matter what he says, he'll always draw someone into an argument that goes
..nowhere. From the amount of crossposting he does, he's going to get a lot
..of people trying to argue their side in vain. The bottom line is, you just
..can't ignore him, (not everyone all of the time anyway.)

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I win, because there's no way you can
justify your selfish, destructive sport.

..Let 'em feed the trolls if they wish, they're the ones making an ass of
..themselves.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman said:

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:40:13 -0000, "Ne><uS" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.Unfortunately that's how trolls works as you already know.
.
.No matter what he says, he'll always draw someone into an argument

that goes

Quoted message said:

.nowhere. From the amount of crossposting he does, he's going to get

a lot

Quoted message said:

.of people trying to argue their side in vain. The bottom line is,

you just

Quoted message said:

.can't ignore him, (not everyone all of the time anyway.)

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I win, because there's no way

you can

Quoted message said:

justify your selfish, destructive sport.

What did you win? Millions still mountain bike every day. Miles of new
trails
are built every day. Hundreds of miles of new roads are built every
day. Thousands of acres of wildlife habitat are destroyed every day.
The natural
world is going down the toilet while you wage your silly Usenet war
that does
nothing but feed your ego. Your ability to save wildlife habitat is a
mirror image of your ability of your [censored] to make a child. Yes, you win
while wildlife and Mrs. Vandeman lose.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

Quoted message said:

Sure. That's how I got my Ph.D.

You probably blew your faculty advisor.

bizbee said:

Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a

nutcase.

Especially things like Ph.D.'s ...

I bet Berkeley would revoke his if they could. :-)

(Like I bet they'd like to revoke the Unabomber's degree, etc.).

Funny how advance degrees don't have time limits ...
so they have to take an exam every few years to prove
their brians haven't rotted.

Like pilot's licenses or driver's license, etc.

Maybe marriage licenses should time limits too! ;-)

Although probably most people that get them stay
fairly sane most of their lives.

Hee hee.
JW

Quoted message said:

bizbee said:

Of course, credential aren't a guarantee against just being a

nutcase.

Especially things like Ph.D.'s ...

I bet Berkeley would revoke his if they could. :-)

(Like I bet they'd like to revoke the Unabomber's degree, etc.).

Funny how advance degrees don't have time limits ...
so they have to take an exam every few years to prove
their brians haven't rotted.

I always thought that a PhD was in one specific field, if not a
subspecialty within that field, and most specifically in the area
which their PhD dissertation covers.

Apparently Mikie got a special PhD in all knowledge in all fields, as
well as a dogma of infallibility more sweeping than the Pope's.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

I like to see the Pope at the end of a rope think he's a
fool.

Quoted message said:

Mike Vandeman wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Yes, you win while wildlife and Mrs. Vandeman lose.

I have a pretty good hunch that Mrs. Vandeman's first name is Steve

Quoted message said:

I like to see the Pope at the end of a rope think
he's a fool.

Craze, once in a while you might pause a moment before hitting "Send".

Gary S. said:

Apparently Mikie got a special PhD in all knowledge in all fields, as
well as a dogma of infallibility more sweeping than the Pope's.

Ah, well, at least that explains Crazy's crazy Pope post a few posts up from
this.

{More or less.}
--
BS (no, I mean it)