Securing panniers?

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Duncan Smith said:

. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

Raise the need for secure bike parking with race organisers? Part of
their climate change policy?

--
Charles
Brompton P6R-Plus; CarryFreedom -YL, in Motspur Park
LCC; CTC.

Duncan Smith said:

Struck me though that one thing cars are good for is driving to races/
events, for e.g. a cross country run 10M from home.  Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

Where are you parking and how paranoid are you? I'd be inclined just
to lock the panniers to the rack with a cable lock and assume that
nobody would want to nick my manky old cycling clothes anyway.

POHB said:

Where are you parking and how paranoid are you? I'd be inclined just
to lock the panniers to the rack with a cable lock and assume that
nobody would want to nick my manky old cycling clothes anyway.

Pretty much my thoughts: when I take the MTB for part of a hillwalking
walk-in I usually lock it out of obvious sight and leave some kit with
it. Yes, you could steal a nice Ortlieb pannier by just cutting through
the grab handle, but is the sort of person who does that likely to be
walking in the Cairngorms and can they be arsed to carry it out 5 miles
back to their car?
Different parking points would be a different matter, of course.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Quoted message said:

POHB said:

Where are you parking and how paranoid are you? I'd be inclined just
to lock the panniers to the rack with a cable lock and assume that
nobody would want to nick my manky old cycling clothes anyway.

Pretty much my thoughts: when I take the MTB for part of a hillwalking
walk-in I usually lock it out of obvious sight and leave some kit with
it. Yes, you could steal a nice Ortlieb pannier by just cutting through
the grab handle, but is the sort of person who does that likely to be
walking in the Cairngorms and can they be arsed to carry it out 5 miles
back to their car?
Different parking points would be a different matter, of course.

I guess that's the answer, take the old hack and pack a £20 w-proof
from millets - no gear you'd be too upset about loosing...

Cheers,

Duncan

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Duncan Smith said:

. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

Raise the need for secure bike parking with race organisers? Part of
their climate change policy?

"A cross country run" isn't necessarily a race, it can just be a run,
across country.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Duncan Smith said:

Struck me though that one thing cars are good for is driving to races/
events, for e.g. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

My rack is a Tubus and the panniers are Ortlieb back-rollers (though I
could get another pannier if it solves this problem). Maybe there's a
solution a bit like the Pacsafe locks for back-packs, maybe a Pacsafe
works well for bikes? Just seeing if anyone has any recommendations?

Ortlieb sell an anti theft system which should allow you to secure it
somehow (though I'm not sure exactly how it works):
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360013976

Note this is only compatible with panniers using the QL2 mounting system
(ie Back Roller Plus) and not compatible with the QL1 mount (ie Back
Roller Classic).
It don't think it'll stop anyone cutting open the pannier etc, though
that's probably not very likely.

If its an event you could ask the organiser for somewhere to leave your
bag, they could probably keep it in their car (I've done this a few
times for various events).
Or just hide and lock the bike and bag in some trees etc (and remember
where you left it!).

Quoted message said:

Note this is only compatible with panniers using the QL2 mounting system
(ie Back Roller Plus) and not compatible with the QL1 mount (ie Back
Roller Classic).
It don't think it'll stop anyone cutting open the pannier etc, though
that's probably not very likely.

If its an event you could ask the organiser for somewhere to leave your
bag, they could probably keep it in their car (I've done this a few
times for various events).
Or just hide and lock the bike and bag in some trees etc (and remember
where you left it!).

Cheers, Wiggle's currently out of order but it sounds interesting,
I'll take a look later..

Duncan

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Quoted message said:

I had to give up my driving license this week due a fields test of
below 120deg. Not the end of the world - as I wasn't using the car
all that much anyway, and now they'll be no more arguments over whose
turn it is to drive!

Struck me though that one thing cars are good for is driving to races/
events, for e.g. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

Get a large dipsoable nappy bag, stick your stuff in that and drop it in
a bush - nobody's going to look what's inside. :-)

Duncan Smith said:

I had to give up my driving license this week due a fields test of
below 120deg. Not the end of the world - as I wasn't using the car
all that much anyway, and now they'll be no more arguments over whose
turn it is to drive!

Struck me though that one thing cars are good for is driving to races/
events, for e.g. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

I don't know if this is the sort of thing that might interest you, but
C+ recently had a mini-review of some lockable box-type cycle panniers,
similar in style to those one might find on a motorbike. I'll look into
it in more detail if you're interested.

Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

"Duncan Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Note this is only compatible with panniers using the QL2 mounting system
(ie Back Roller Plus) and not compatible with the QL1 mount (ie Back
Roller Classic).
It don't think it'll stop anyone cutting open the pannier etc, though
that's probably not very likely.

If its an event you could ask the organiser for somewhere to leave your
bag, they could probably keep it in their car (I've done this a few
times for various events).
Or just hide and lock the bike and bag in some trees etc (and remember
where you left it!).

Cheers, Wiggle's currently out of order but it sounds interesting,
I'll take a look later..

Duncan

This maybe a bit OTT but if you're really worried you could try this
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=hike&ProdID=5360024293&N=Pacsafe%20140

Jim J

Duncan Smith said:

My rack is a Tubus and the panniers are Ortlieb back-rollers (though I
could get another pannier if it solves this problem). Maybe there's a
solution a bit like the Pacsafe locks for back-packs, maybe a Pacsafe
works well for bikes? Just seeing if anyone has any recommendations?

Pack everything inside a rucksack or lightweight bag, put the
rucksack inside a Pacsafe, then put everything inside the
pannier and lock the Pacsafe to the frame. The advantage
of this method is that you won't draw attention to yourself
at your destination since you don't even need to open the
pannier to secure everything. The disadvantage is that
a Packsafe weighs quite a bit (about 2 Kg I think).

Nick.

"Craig Wallace" <craigw84@fast_NOSPAM_mail.fm> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Duncan Smith said:

Struck me though that one thing cars are good for is driving to races/
events, for e.g. a cross country run 10M from home. Now I could cycle
that easy and still do the run (I've seen people with large wire
cables lock bikes up to trees, etc), but what to do with all the kit?
I'm reckoning (during winter) a lightset, coat, cycling shoes, bib,
etc. could all be necessary, so is there a handy way to secure these
to the bike?

My rack is a Tubus and the panniers are Ortlieb back-rollers (though I
could get another pannier if it solves this problem). Maybe there's a
solution a bit like the Pacsafe locks for back-packs, maybe a Pacsafe
works well for bikes? Just seeing if anyone has any recommendations?

Ortlieb sell an anti theft system which should allow you to secure it
somehow (though I'm not sure exactly how it works):
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360013976

Note this is only compatible with panniers using the QL2 mounting system
(ie Back Roller Plus) and not compatible with the QL1 mount (ie Back
Roller Classic).
It don't think it'll stop anyone cutting open the pannier etc, though
that's probably not very likely.

There's no need to cut open the pannier, those wires only attach the pannier
to the bike (in my case I put my rear wheel frame lock bar through the loops
at the end of those wires). I have these to go with my Bike-Packer Plus
panniers and really they're only of deterrent value when it comes to a thief
unclipping your panniers off the rack and running away with them. They
provide no security at all in terms of someone opening the panniers and
rifling through the contents.

Paul

Quoted message said:

Raise the need for secure bike parking with race organisers? Part of
their climate change policy?

why would any race organisers have a climate change policy? The
govinmint haven't..

T

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is the sort of thing that might interest you, but
C+ recently had a mini-review of some lockable box-type cycle panniers,
similar in style to those one might find on a motorbike. I'll look into
it in more detail if you're interested.

Cheers Luke (et al), not sure if I fancy the rigid box type or forking
out for a QL2 system, so I'll probably just get a PacSafe.

Ta,

Duncan