Securing a garage?

KakenBetaal vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

I used four window locks at each corner of the door, bolted to the door, and
fixed so that the door cannot be lifted, moved or opened without undoing all
four, as well as the 'normal' garage lock. The garage could also be locked
from outside too, by drilling a small 7mm diameter hole in line with the
window lock 'key'.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules !!!
"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

"KakenBetaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

I'd recomend you contact a locksmith
They'll know the best way of locking your particular door.
(sorry if this sounds facetious, that isn't my intent).

Pete

"KakenBetaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

I'd recomend you contact a locksmith
They'll know the best way of locking your particular door.
(sorry if this sounds facetious, that isn't my intent).

Pete

On 5/11/04 11:53 am, in article
[email hidden], "KakenBetaal"

Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

It depends on whether your garage has any other exit. Mine has a back door
so I have fitted big bolts to the main door on the inside. This means that
you cannot lock/unlock the door from the outside.

Obviously if you do not have a second entrance you cannot take this
approach.

...d

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Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

--
KakenBetaal

I have got one of these;

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/itmidx42.shtml

--
Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
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KakenBetaal said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

What about something like this?

<url:http://www.autolok.co.uk/pages/stoppa.htm> Autolok Stoppa

I've got one installed and it looks like it would stop a casual thief.
However given that garage doors tend to be quite pliable most solutions
are not going to stop a determined thief.

Adam

Tumbleweed said:

I have got one of these;

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/itmidx42.shtml

Anything attached to the thin aluminium sheet can be circumvented by a
tin-opener. Bolts securely attached to the frame of the door are the only
way to do it.

Mike

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Quoted message said:

Tumbleweed said:

I have got one of these;

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/itmidx42.shtml

Anything attached to the thin aluminium sheet can be circumvented by a
tin-opener. Bolts securely attached to the frame of the door are the only
way to do it.

Mike

As Adam H pointed out, given that garage doors are relatively flimsy there
is only so much you can do (without putting a v expensive door in).
Presumably you could use the tin opener just to cut a whole in the door
anyway irrespective of bolts.?

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Tumbleweed said:

As Adam H pointed out, given that garage doors are relatively flimsy there
is only so much you can do (without putting a v expensive door in).
Presumably you could use the tin opener just to cut a whole in the door
anyway irrespective of bolts.?

Cutting a hole large enough to get a body through is going to take a lot
longer than the 50mm hole needed to defeat the Autoloc device. In the
case of my garage, four holes big enough to get an arm into will defeat
the bolts, but this too will take some time, or cause a lot of noise if
power tools are used.

Mike

KakenBetaal said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

Put a large Doberman Pinscher that has not been fed for a week in the
garage :-)

KakenBetaal said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

My garage has an alarm system with IR and door sensors.
--
Michael MacClancy

www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
www.macclancy.co.uk

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Paul - censored said:

KakenBetaal vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

I used four window locks at each corner of the door, bolted to the
door, and fixed so that the door cannot be lifted, moved or opened
without undoing all four, as well as the 'normal' garage lock. The
garage could also be locked from outside too, by drilling a small 7mm
diameter hole in line with the window lock 'key'.

My up & ovr door spring is bust, so the guy that brakes in is gonna do his
back in lifting it, and get it coming down on the back of his head before he
spots the prop I use to keep it open. One of these days, I'll open the
garage from inside, and find a head rolling about.
--
Morton Burner

KakenBetaal said:

I have a standard flat garage with a swing-up door. I've mounted an
Abus what'sit lock in the concrete floor to lock my bikes to, and I'm
wondering what are good options for further securing the garage.

Automatic door?

Nothing on the outside to pick, and the door is held closed by a great
big lead screw and a motor.

Mike Causer said:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:24:28 +0000, Tumbleweed wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As Adam H pointed out, given that garage doors are relatively flimsy there
is only so much you can do (without putting a v expensive door in).
Presumably you could use the tin opener just to cut a whole in the door
anyway irrespective of bolts.?

Quoted message said:

Cutting a hole large enough to get a body through is going to take a lot
longer than the 50mm hole needed to defeat the Autoloc device. In the
case of my garage, four holes big enough to get an arm into will defeat
the bolts, but this too will take some time, or cause a lot of noise if
power tools are used.

When I lost my garage key, it took about five minutes investigation to
discover that about fifteen quiet minutes with a Swiss Tool (grown up
version of Swiss Army Knife) was all that was needed to take the
entire door off. Had to saw through a couple of bits of wood, but
didn't need to damage the door.

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Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris Malcolm said:

When I lost my garage key, it took about five minutes investigation to
discover that about fifteen quiet minutes with a Swiss Tool (grown up
version of Swiss Army Knife) was all that was needed to take the
entire door off. Had to saw through a couple of bits of wood, but
didn't need to damage the door.

I hope you threw away those external hinges while the door was off and
fitted internal ones!

Mike

Hi,

You can fasten a lockable bolt to the front bottom edge of the door and set a
steel pipe into the ground for the bolt. Take care to line up the pipe in
exactly the right place for the bolt.

I concreted a bar set in a heavy slotted pipe into the ground just in front of
the door. When the door is closed I can fasten one of those heavy duty
circular padlocks to the bar. The edge of the padlock is then about 2/3mm in
front the door, sticking up about 50mm it prevents the door being pulled
forward and opened even if the main lock is broken.

When you go away booby trap the door with some string tied to something (like
empty oil cans) that will be pulled off a high shelf and make a lot of noise.
Of course when you come home you will have forgotten !

Andrew.

KakenBetaal said:

I appreciate that if a thief gains access, he can close the door and
work relatively undisturbed/unobserved, so I'm thinking about better
door locks or anything else. I'm just not sure what to do about all
this.

I agree with the idea of setting a low post firmly into the ground,
using a padlock so you can remove it.
Somewhere I've seen these for sale - either Google or look through the
small ads in the Sunday papers.

I once had the same problem. Garage doors are just so easy to open.
Force the handle just a little and the door will open.
I looked at the runners which the 'up and over' door uses.
Drill a hole in the metal runner, and put a padlock in. The door may be
forced, but will only open a few inches.
Not as tough as the metal post solution above, which is better.

Mike Causer said:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:25:21 +0000, Chris Malcolm wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I lost my garage key, it took about five minutes investigation to
discover that about fifteen quiet minutes with a Swiss Tool (grown up
version of Swiss Army Knife) was all that was needed to take the
entire door off. Had to saw through a couple of bits of wood, but
didn't need to damage the door.

Quoted message said:

I hope you threw away those external hinges while the door was off and
fitted internal ones!

No external hinges, it was one of the those bendy slatted doors that
roll up into an overhead position, and that can quite easily by
tin-openered by anyone with a good strong knife.

But I just made it *look* nice and safe again, and sold it to a car
owner. Who as it happened in a moment of intoxication later totally
wrecked the door by driving into it.

It was somewhat otiose as a bike shed.

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Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]