"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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As I said, there's no *good* scientific evidence. The below is a pilot study, published in an obscure Polish journal that I can't even get a hold of to evaluate the quality of the article. (And before you try to claim I am denigrating it because it's from Poland, most of my family came from Poland and I'd actually be very happy if the study were better than it is.)
Perhaps a name change to Oracski would be a good idea?
We are talking the protocol Doctors charges and medical charges would up the costs. Otherwise people would just buy chemo (if it was legal) and DIY it. Anth
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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20 dollars a day _is_ cheaper than chemotherapy though agreed.
Actually, depending on the specific chemotherapy regimen, it might not be cheaper, or the difference in price may not be as large as you think. If you posted a question to sci.med.diseases.cancer, there are some oncologists who are regulars there who might be able to tell you. Older chemotherapy drugs, many of which are still in use for common cancers, are cheaper than you would think. Also, most chemotherapy is not given every day. It's given either weekly or once every two or three weeks. -- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"
http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/program_aspects_txt.htm The supplements are not sold in the office, but are available from a mail order source. The charge per month varies from patient to patient, but will run about $650 per month for a cancer patient, considerably less for patients with other types of illnesses.
Subject: scamming b*stards From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 10/8/2003 10:50 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
http://2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html Protocol A 6 bottles for 1 month or approx $1600 per month. How can anyone realistically afford this? ($20k a year) Anth
That's totally ridiculous. I doubt anyone buys it at that price.
Subject: Re: scamming b*stards From: "Kimmer" [email hidden] Date: 10/9/2003 8:59 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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http://2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html Protocol A 6 bottles for 1 month or approx $1600 per month. How can anyone realistically afford this? ($20k a year)
Now, now. Charging large amounts of money for this remedy is
acceptable,
Says who????
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because Dr. Kelley is an "alternative" practitioner and his enzymes
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therefore MUST be good and he MUST be unable to charge any less.
Doubtful.
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If, on
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the other hand, a pharmaceutical company charged that much for a treatment, it is clearly no more than a a greedy, profit-driven, cold-hearted "conventional" medical entity.
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Just another example of the double standard alties have regarding
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criticism and beliefs.
Quite wrong. This price is ridiculous.
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They [censored] to high heaven about high prices
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pharmaceutical companies charge for certain medications, even though those companies have billions of R & D charges and only a limited
patent
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life to recoup them, but don't even blink at the outrageous prices of
certain "alternative" treatments, like Dr. Kelley's enzymes or
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Glowlife
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Dave's Ginseng powder.
Blink, blink.
Orac is making this up as he goes, and he is doing the [censored].
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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As I said, there's no *good* scientific evidence. The below is a pilot study, published in an obscure Polish journal that I can't even get a hold of to evaluate the quality of the article. (And before you try to claim I am denigrating it because it's from Poland, most of my family came from Poland and I'd actually be very happy if the study were better than it is.)
Perhaps a name change to Oracski would be a good idea?
Only if I feel the need to evade killfiles. ;-)
-- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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20 dollars a day _is_ cheaper than chemotherapy though agreed.
Actually, depending on the specific chemotherapy regimen, it might not be cheaper, or the difference in price may not be as large as you think. If you posted a question to sci.med.diseases.cancer, there are some oncologists who are regulars there who might be able to tell you. Older chemotherapy drugs, many of which are still in use for common cancers, are cheaper than you would think. Also, most chemotherapy is not given every day. It's given either weekly or once every two or three weeks. -- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"
And it's never given continuously for a year, either.
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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20 dollars a day _is_ cheaper than chemotherapy though agreed.
Actually, depending on the specific chemotherapy regimen, it might not be cheaper, or the difference in price may not be as large as you think. If you posted a question to sci.med.diseases.cancer, there are some oncologists who are regulars there who might be able to tell you. Older chemotherapy drugs, many of which are still in use for common cancers, are cheaper than you would think. Also, most chemotherapy is not given every day. It's given either weekly or once every two or three weeks.
And it's never given continuously for a year, either.
Some regimens are, but you are correct, the vast majority are not. Usually it's around 3-4 months' worth. -- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?"
I think that probably true on both sides. It happens in the USA - in Europe the drugs are cheaper. It happens in AM also, looking at the cost of this bottle, what it contains, and the Kelley hype pasted on it.. It would be curious to see how much mark up is actually on this product. I know you can buy some of the ingredients in this bottle much cheaper than they are being sold here. Anth
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Just remember, there are virtually no R&D costs whenit comes to alternatives. They have an astronomical mark-up.
"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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I think that probably true on both sides. It happens in the USA - in
Europe
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the drugs are cheaper. It happens in AM also, looking at the cost of this bottle, what it
contains,
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and the Kelley hype pasted on it.. It would be curious to see how much mark up is actually on this product. I know you can buy some of the ingredients in this bottle much cheaper than they are being sold here. Anth
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> order source. The charge per month varies from patient to patient,
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will > run about $650 per month for a cancer patient, considerably less for > patients with other types of illnesses. > > > > This _is_ also expensive.
What is your take on the idea that a patient who is desperately ill
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afraid of dieing is charged more?
AFAIC, it is the idea that he is looking to get as much money from the desperate before they die.
An obvious caveat springs up here. Celebrex had 2002 sales of nearly $3 billion, whereas Excedrin and Immodium didn't even merit line items in the earnings reports of Bristol and J&J. But that is because a 200-milligram capsule of Celebrex costs $2.50, while an extra-strength Excedrin pill costs 90 cents. One patient on Celebrex is worth three on Excedrin. Even so, there's a lot more besides direct-to-consumer advertising driving Celebrex sales.
Medicals students in the US are not standardized and required to use Dr. Kelley's enzymes as a line of action for treatment. On the other hand, if the physician does not use the standard pharmaceutical company product , she or he gets sued.
Dr. Kelley can charge anything she/he pleases for her product, as long as I am not required to buy it , it is up to me. Compare that to coming up with diabetes I and HAVING to pay for that highly priced insulin replacement.
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Just another example of the double standard alties have regarding their criticism and beliefs. They [censored] to high heaven about high prices pharmaceutical companies charge for certain medications, even though those companies have billions of R & D charges and only a limited patent life to recoup them, but don't even blink at the outrageous prices of certain "alternative" treatments, like Dr. Kelley's enzymes or Glowlife Dave's Ginseng powder.
