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  1. Hi

    Just a quick visit from a novice, albeit middle aged,
    walker. I am looking to walk East West or vice versa,
    Langdale to Down in he Dale. Taking in Mickledore, Scafell
    Pike, Esk Hause, Angle Tarn and the Cumbria Way.

    Has anyone recommendations for which way? I imagine I would
    prefer the worst ascents early on.

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across
    the contour lines going up and ignore descents to
    gauge the severity?

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge extra
    time on ascents. Just like the poster in another thread I
    found the SW path from Carlyon Bay to Mevagissey enjoyable
    but I under estimated the extra amount of time on the ups
    and downs.

    AJH

  2. Quoted message said:

    Hi

    Just a quick visit from a novice, albeit middle aged,
    walker. I am looking to walk East West or vice versa,
    Langdale to Down in he Dale. Taking in Mickledore, Scafell
    Pike, Esk Hause, Angle Tarn and the Cumbria Way.

    Has anyone recommendations for which way? I imagine I would
    prefer the worst ascents early on.

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents. Just like the poster in another
    thread I found the SW path from Carlyon Bay to Mevagissey
    enjoyable but I under estimated the extra amount of time on
    the ups and downs.

    AJH

    I'd start at Wasdale. You get the ascent over with in a much
    shorter time, and can enjoy a leisurely but quite long
    downhill to Langdale. If you make an early stsrt you can
    have the summit to yourself, before the Langdale or Eskdale
    or Borrowdale people have arrived!

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site:

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  3. On 9/5/04 5:19 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Quoted post said:

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents. Just like the poster in another
    thread I found the SW path from Carlyon Bay to Mevagissey
    enjoyable but I under estimated the extra amount of time
    on the ups and downs.

    Over a little time you will begin to be able to gauge your
    walking time against differing guide books. So, for example,
    do some walks from a Ramblers/Collins Guide (a god one on
    the Lakes) or the Green OS guides and you'll begin to see if
    you walk at about their time or you always walk later or so
    on. From there you can adjust routes accordingly. And
    remember that the majority of walking books/guides don't
    allow time for food breaks, taking a breather, etc.

    --
    Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

  4. The message <[email hidden]>
    from [email hidden] contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    Ignore descent. Unless it is very steep you will go faster
    and use less energy than along the flat.

    Quoted message said:

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents.

    It all depends on how fast you walk and how fit you are. The
    normal starting point is Naismiths Rule - an hour for every
    3 miles covered plus an hour for every 2000 feet of ascent.
    If that is too quick for you then modify to suit yourself,
    2.5 miles and 1500 feet of ascent might be more appropriate
    for the average middle aged walker.

    --
    Roger

  5. [email hidden] wrote in news:69ks90pncc7f9uaap5os7r8hb8tomcpvld@
    4ax.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    Just a quick visit from a novice, albeit middle aged,
    walker. I am looking to walk East West or vice versa,
    Langdale to Down in he Dale. Taking in Mickledore, Scafell
    Pike, Esk Hause, Angle Tarn and the Cumbria Way.

    Has anyone recommendations for which way? I imagine I
    would prefer the worst ascents early on.

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    That is a reasonable guide. Of course the total is the same
    whichever way round you go.

    Quoted message said:


    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents. Just like the poster in another
    thread I found the SW path from Carlyon Bay to Mevagissey
    enjoyable but I under estimated the extra amount of time
    on the ups and downs.

    Naysmith's Rule is oft quoted. Or you can use Tupper's[1]
    rule which works well for walks which are composed of
    flat paths and steep-ish hill climbs (and not so well on
    gentle slopes):

    The hill section should take about 1 hour per 250m to ascend
    and descend. So if you have 750m of climb, you will take 3
    hours to complete the walk. It takes about twice as long to
    go up then to go down so I think of it as 40mins per 250m
    climb and 20mins per 250m of descent.

    To that you have to add the time it takes to walk along
    the flatter sections - probably something like 10-15
    mins per Km.

    [1] not found in any textbook.

    --
    Adrian

  6. [email hidden] wrote in news:69ks90pncc7f9uaap5os7r8hb8tomcpvld@
    4ax.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    Just a quick visit from a novice, albeit middle aged,
    walker. I am looking to walk East West or vice versa,
    Langdale to Down in he Dale. Taking in Mickledore, Scafell
    Pike, Esk Hause, Angle Tarn and the Cumbria Way.

    Has anyone recommendations for which way? I imagine I
    would prefer the worst ascents early on.

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents. Just like the poster in another
    thread I found the SW path from Carlyon Bay to Mevagissey
    enjoyable but I under estimated the extra amount of time
    on the ups and downs.

    AJH

    I also meant to say that when choosing the direction of
    travel, if it's a windy day then try to get the wind in your
    back as you walk along the most exposed sections.

    --
    Adrian

  7. In message <[email hidden]>

    roger said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from [email hidden] contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    Ignore descent. Unless it is very steep you will go faster
    and use less energy than along the flat.

    Really? I find it's usually roughly the same, unless I'm
    in a hurry and jog slightly, for anything other than a
    short descent. A long and steepish (but not very steep)
    can sap the strength from your knees and thighs pretty
    quickly, slowing you down, even though it won't get you at
    all puffed.

    --
    Simon Challands, creator of The Acorn Elite Pages:
    elite.acornarcade.comelite.acornarcade.com Three Dimensional Encounters:
    3dfrontier.fsnet.co.uk3dfrontier.fsnet.co.uk

  8. On Sun, 09 May 2004 17:32:51 +0100, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'd start at Wasdale.

    Thanks Paul, this is borne out by the map and the reasoning
    is how I expected.

    AJH

  9. On Sun, 9 May 2004 18:51:53 +0100, roger <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It all depends on how fast you walk and how fit you are.
    The normal starting point is Naismiths Rule - an hour for
    every 3 miles covered plus an hour for every 2000 feet of
    ascent. If that is too quick for you then modify to suit
    yourself, 2.5 miles and 1500 feet of ascent might be more
    appropriate for the average middle aged walker.

    Thanks Roger and Andrew for his post, I don't expect to
    get up to the hills often enough to need guide books but
    we'll see.

    I vaguely remember this Naismith's Rule from mountain
    leadership courses when I was a teenage rock hopper. Since
    my last post I have ambled along a new path on a flood
    plain, so no ascents, at 4.5km in an hour. I think I can
    keep this up for a few hours, the knees seem to get very
    warm! So I'll figure on 4.5km/hr and 300m/hr for ascents,
    though I suspect I'll do worse than this latter.

    AJH

  10. Following up to Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:

    I'd start at Wasdale

    always start in Wasdale, why go anywhere else? :-)
    --
    Mike Reid Wasdale "fellwalk.co.ukpage01.htm"
    (see website for email)

  11. "roger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from [email hidden] contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    When calculating the ascents do you just sum across the
    contour lines going up and ignore descents to gauge the
    severity?

    Ignore descent. Unless it is very steep you will go faster
    and use less energy than along the flat.

    Quoted message said:

    It looks like 13km total but I don't know how to judge
    extra time on ascents.

    Personally I'd have said that that was an optimistic
    judgement. From what I recall of the Cumbrian way into
    Langdale, it winds around all over the place and is
    therefore a lot longer than the map allows.

  12. Following up to Simon Challands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ignore descent. Unless it is very steep you will go
    faster and use less energy than along the flat.

    Really? I find it's usually roughly the same, unless I'm
    in a hurry and jog slightly, for anything other than a
    short descent. A long and steepish (but not very steep)
    can sap the strength from your knees and thighs pretty
    quickly, slowing you down, even though it won't get you at
    all puffed.

    Yes, I find descents can be *much* worst than flat walking,
    almost as bad as going up, why do I go hill walking?
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  13. The Reids said:

    Following up to Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:

    I'd start at Wasdale

    always start in Wasdale, why go anywhere else? :-)

    It is definitely the best spot, I agree!

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site:

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  14. In message <[email hidden]>

    The Reids said:

    Following up to Simon Challands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ignore descent. Unless it is very steep you will go
    faster and use less energy than along the flat.

    Really? I find it's usually roughly the same, unless I'm
    in a hurry and jog slightly, for anything other than a
    short descent. A long and steepish (but not very steep)
    can sap the strength from your knees and thighs pretty
    quickly, slowing you down, even though it won't get you
    at all puffed.

    Yes, I find descents can be *much* worst than flat
    walking, almost as bad as going up, why do I go hill
    walking?

    Because there's nothing better than walking along a level
    ridge high above the valleys?

    --
    Simon Challands, creator of The Acorn Elite Pages:
    elite.acornarcade.comelite.acornarcade.com Three Dimensional Encounters:
    3dfrontier.fsnet.co.uk3dfrontier.fsnet.co.uk

  15. Simon Challands <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I find descents can be *much* worst than flat
    walking, almost as bad as going up, why do I go hill
    walking?

    Because there's nothing better than walking along a level
    ridge high above the valleys?

    Yes, it's the areas of high ground I like too. Plateaux,
    ridges or escarpments. They're all good.

    --
    Adrian

  16. "Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:40:32 +0100, The Reids <dontuse@fell-

    walker.co.uk said:

    Following up to Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:

    I'd start at Wasdale

    always start in Wasdale, why go anywhere else? :-)

    It is definitely the best spot, I agree!


    Does anyone have contact details for any campsites in that
    area? Or could I get away with just turning up next week?
    (Have just found the National Trust website, any independent
    campsites?)

    I'm thinking of going to Wasdale first for a couple of days
    next week, then over to Ambleside to do the Fairfield
    horseshoe.

    Nick

  17. "Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have contact details for any campsites in that
    area? Or could


    I

    Quoted message said:

    get away with just turning up next week? (Have just found
    the National


    Trust

    Quoted message said:

    website, any independent campsites?)

    I'm thinking of going to Wasdale first for a couple of
    days next week,


    then

    Quoted message said:

    over to Ambleside to do the Fairfield horseshoe.

    Quoted message said:

    Nick

    www.wasdaleweb.co.uk
    www.hejoly.demon.nl/countries/unitedkingdom.html

    or try google with 'wasdale' , 'campsite' ,
    'Lakedistrict' , etc. .

    Theo

  18. Following up to Simon Challands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I find descents can be *much* worst than flat
    walking, almost as bad as going up, why do I go hill
    walking?

    Because there's nothing better than walking along a level
    ridge high above the valleys?

    ah, yes, preferably with a cloud sea and my girly by my
    side.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  19. Following up to Nick Pedley

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is definitely the best spot, I agree!


    Does anyone have contact details for any campsites in that
    area? Or could I get away with just turning up next week?
    (Have just found the National Trust website, any
    independent campsites?)

    For The Wasdale Heads field contact the Wasdale Head.
    (Google Wasdale Head) The other one is NT,
    "www.nationaltrust.org.uk/campsites/lakedistrict/
    campsites/wasdalehead_faq.htm"
    --
    Mike Reid Wasdale "fellwalk.co.ukpage01.htm"
    (see website for email)

  20. The Reids said:

    Following up to Simon Challands

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I find descents can be *much* worst than flat
    walking, almost as bad as going up, why do I go hill
    walking?

    Because there's nothing better than walking along a level
    ridge high above the valleys?

    ah, yes, preferably with a cloud sea and my girly by my
    side.

    And the drive back in my new Terrano, to a roast dinner and
    a roaring fire, and numerous alcoholic beverages. Bliss.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site:

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

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