Saying "Hi"

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not
having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Yes. this one has been around the block a couple of times before. I dont
know why that is. Its as if they feel I am not worthy enough to consider
nodding back because I am not wearing shiny lycra and riding a $5000 bike.
Or it could be that they are in their own world and dont notice you.

I say hi to all. Even if i race past a jogger going the other way (back
street for this one though).

BTW Those helmet debates surely get my goat. People will never agree on
that one.

regards
Peter

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Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not
having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

It's been the opposite for me (re riders who cannot un-clip).
It's been the guys wearing the shiny lycra and riding the expensive looking
bikes who seem to think a greeting is beneath them..
Also ive noticed various areas (such as beach road riders don't say hello,
while yarra bend / mt dandenong riders do)

ps, i usually don't say much of a greeting while riding up a hill as i'm
usually struggling to breathe🙂 But at least a nod of the head is good
enough?

This one gets a run on aus.motorcycle as well, but it is "Whey don't other
riders nod back"

Age old problem.

SB
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Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start

another

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boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not
having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

I agree Mr Sol😉

Furthermore I feel we should band together and rise up against our
agressors (everybody that doesn't ride). You see I feel that man has
ruled this world as a stumbling demented child king long enough. and as
his empire crumbles, the precious cyclist shall rise as his most fitting
succesor!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!:p

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Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start another
boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not
having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind
of cyclist would nod/wave to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so
few of them. Same on a walking trail - you'd usually nod, smile, or say
hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know them
from Adam, whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally
ignore them and nobody would be the least bit offended. In big cities
like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where one of the earlier
posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the
places I ride) that you don't feel the need to be matey with every
single one of them, and prefer to associate with (or at least nod at)
the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might feel more at
home with other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies,
etc.). I wouldn't nod at some kid on his BMX in the city any more than
he would at me, and neither party would mind or be surprised by the lack
of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to ride a great
piece of singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't
know what it means to plan a criterium race just right and [censored]
victory on the line - what do we have in common apart from gears and a
chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be
such genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride
outside the big cities, where there is a smaller total cycling
population - maybe there is more cross-discipline interaction there?

&roo
Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB
riders ;-)

Andrew Swan said:

Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start
another
boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of not
having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind
of cyclist would nod/wave to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so
few of them. Same on a walking trail - you'd usually nod, smile, or say
hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know them
from Adam, whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally
ignore them and nobody would be the least bit offended. In big cities
like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where one of the earlier
posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the
places I ride) that you don't feel the need to be matey with every
single one of them, and prefer to associate with (or at least nod at)
the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might feel more at
home with other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies,
etc.). I wouldn't nod at some kid on his BMX in the city any more than
he would at me, and neither party would mind or be surprised by the lack
of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to ride a great
piece of singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't
know what it means to plan a criterium race just right and [censored]
victory on the line - what do we have in common apart from gears and a
chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be
such genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride
outside the big cities, where there is a smaller total cycling
population - maybe there is more cross-discipline interaction there?

&roo
Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB
riders ;-)

In case anyone gets the wrong idea from the above, I see a BIG
difference between nodding and nodding _back_. If you're nodded at by
anyone, not to return the gesture is just plain rude. Not to be the
initiator, however, is a matter of personal preference.

&roo

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such
genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and anyone
who thinks I'm rude for not responding to someone I've never met and will
never see again can go [censored] themselves with their own arrogance.

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such
genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and anyone
who thinks I'm rude for not responding to someone I've never met and will
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Your talking to us now. You dont know us. Go [censored] yourself and your
arrogance thinking you can talk to us strangers. When I go to a dinner
party and their is people their I dont know. I just ignore them. How dare
their arrogance if they approach or introduce themselves. We humans are not
social animals. We prefer to be bitter loners who mind their own business.

Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start
another boring, old- school debate!
Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].
I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of
not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Maybe it's got something to do with your name! 🙂 as a person who ride
with a bag on his head I am not usually in the habit of talking t
other anus's :

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Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start
another boring, old- school debate!
Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's not
very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick together
rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].
I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of
not having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Well, Andrew set out a nice analytical background. I totall
agree with him

I ride in Canberra. Is it big or small? Country or city? ;

Initiation of greeting to a stranger is an act of generousity. There'
no promise that there would be a respond worthy of our greeting.
generous person, by definition, would not need and would not depend o
the response. He/she initiates the good deed, because he/she believes i
to be right. (wow, so philosophical!

Of course, there is always the long-term aspect. If such an act i
promoted and people persist, it will become a common practice

I'd like to divide cyclists in two overlapping groups. The bigger grou
are the public riding for a good fun. A warm approach to people by us i
good to promote the image of cycling. The second group are th
enthusiasts and pros who spend a lot more resources on riding. These
need to be even more proactive in creating a good image, because the
can be categorically criticised for their conduct. I'm pretty sure th
better image they create, the shinier their sport achievements wil
become (as a popular/respectable sport). You agree that not every spor
holds the same level of respect or classy image in public'c eye

I don't think we can make any generalisation. If someone is u
himself/herself, then he/she will show it everywhere. Be it on bike, a
the wheel, at work or wherever. If someone feels above the publi
because of only a few grands worth of lycra, carbon fibre and allo
material, that person has a small world

Cheers, Amir

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Anus said:

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another boring, old- school debate!
Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I

mean...it's not

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very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy!

I wasn't going to add to this common thread, but...

If you are in front of me, I will try and pass you.
If you are behind me, I will try and stay ahead.
If I come close to you I will (usually) say G'Day.
Not so close, I will (usually) nod my head in your
general direction (I continue this on Beach Rd.
until my head gets sore from bobbing! :-)).
If you are on a bike I automatically respect you
(until you do something stupid) and will show a
lot more interest in you than any one of the
thousands of cars that pass me/I pass.
I don't care if you don't say anything back or nod
back, but when you do I feel 'extra' chuffed.
Actually, not responding to me might make me more
inclined to chase you down :-)
I understand that we don't HAVE to exhibit any
form of recognition or greeting but we are a minority
and I choose to "be nice" to others in the minority, no
harm done to me or them.

hippy

It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then when you initiate the wave and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this and stop waving then someone waves again and you don't respond and you feel like a right [censored]................go figure!:cool

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Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be such
genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

Well said. When I'm out for a ride I'm minding my own business and
anyone who thinks I'm rude for not responding to someone I've never
met and will never see again can go [censored] themselves with their own
arrogance.

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Your talking to us now. You dont know us. Go [censored] yourself and your
arrogance thinking you can talk to us strangers. When I go to a
dinner party and their is people their I dont know. I just ignore
them. How dare their arrogance if they approach or introduce
themselves. We humans are not social animals. We prefer to be
bitter loners who mind their own business.

Sorry, that effort's barely deserving of a D-. The rhetoric would have
worked much more powerfully if the analogies had made sense but instead
they're just silly and show that you didn't think the matter through. You
cannot compare two social environments with a non-social one. Both your
analogies are predicated upon communication, neither a newsgroup nor a
dinner party make any sense without it, but riding is very often a solitary
activity and there can be no reasonable expectation of engaging every
stranger you meet simply because they also happen to be riding. You'll have
to do much better than that if you hope to pass the exam.

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Sorry, that effort's barely deserving of a D-. The rhetoric would have
worked much more powerfully if the analogies had made sense but instead
they're just silly and show that you didn't think the matter through. You
cannot compare two social environments with a non-social one. Both your
analogies are predicated upon communication, neither a newsgroup nor a
dinner party make any sense without it, but riding is very often a

solitary

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activity and there can be no reasonable expectation of engaging every
stranger you meet simply because they also happen to be riding. You'll

have

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to do much better than that if you hope to pass the exam.

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Hi Andrew,

Sorry I was just trying a little humour (bit miffed about the exam though.
I have never got a pass D- before in my life). Sorry if I offended you. I
really should not have returned the swearing and I did mean to add a
disclaimer at the bottom to warn of my intended humour.

I also engage pedestrians (another solitary activity) as I walk down the
street. Most will give you a smile and a hello. Its a nice feeling to get
that response - or even they intiate the smile, hello or nod. Its part of my
social make up.

Then there are people as you that like to be left alone in life or at times
where you enjoy your solitude. Its ok, not everyone has the same level of
social need. I really enjoy a good chat and get to meet a lot of people.
Then you get to meet the regulars you meet on your cycle. You get to know
names and build a sort of friendship with people. I do the same down at my
local surfclub. Turn up for my morning swim and I get greeted by dozens who
smile and greet me by name. The one thing I will do is always try. I
probably only think 1 in 10 or less would actually ignore me as we pass. If
cycling in the same direction it would be a lot lot less of a chance to not
engage in conversation. Even serious groups on training runs will chat.
Unless they are going too slow :-).

regards
peter

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It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out

into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then
when you initiate the wave and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this and
stop waving then someone waves again and you don't respond and you feel like
a right [censored]................go figure!😎

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Don't worry about them not waving. Always wave - 9 out of 10 will respond.
Ignore the setbacks. You could cause a domino effect. You stop waving then
someone waves to you and you dont (usually because its too late) and they
they say "I am not going to wave anymore" Wave to them all. Remember some
people are just shy and feel uncomfortable interacting with strangers.

Peter

John Doe said:

Hi Andrew,

Sorry I was just trying a little humour (bit miffed about the exam though.
I have never got a pass D- before in my life). Sorry if I offended you. I
really should not have returned the swearing and I did mean to add a
disclaimer at the bottom to warn of my intended humour.

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regards
peter

That wasn't me that graded you D-, that was DRS.

&roo

Maybe those riders that dont say HI already have there very own Head Up
display!!
To busy reading there own inputs!!

READ ON @: http://www.kycyclist.org/dec2003/0015.html
&
http://www.motionresearch.com/

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It's probably a bit like driving from Perth to Melbourne,as you get out

into the sticks people start waving at you and you start waving back,then
when you initiate the wave and it's not reciprocated you think f**k this

and

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stop waving then someone waves again and you don't respond and you feel

like

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a right [censored]................go figure!😎

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Don't worry about them not waving. Always wave - 9 out of 10 will

respond.

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Ignore the setbacks. You could cause a domino effect. You stop waving

then

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someone waves to you and you dont (usually because its too late) and they
they say "I am not going to wave anymore" Wave to them all. Remember

some

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people are just shy and feel uncomfortable interacting with strangers.

Peter

It makes my day when someone waves or nods. Its a part of cycling whic
I like. Driving cars all the time people tend to become ignorant o
others and their environment imo

Btw, I was riding outside of Colac (Western VIC.) one day and got a wav
from Cliff Young (now sadly deceased) jogging up a hill the other way
something I will never forget

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My 2 cents worth.
I do generally nod to other cyclists. However this depends on my duration of
ride etc. If, like the other weekend I did 90Km , towards the end I am
rather zonked and hence not much nodding.

However, generally out in the burbs along the dandenong creek trail I find
80-90% of cyclists rather responsive to a friendly nod. I think this shows a
little respect and acknowledgement to other riders. Take that how you
will!!!! When I ride around the Yarra (Just a treat every now and again) I
enjoy giving a nod to other cyclists etc. I find its a bit of a proximity .
Out on the roads where everything's happening and your further distance
apart, it maybe harder to nod at people. Hence I don't bother. I guess in
short, a nod is something one does more on a single and more localised
riding trail when two riders pass in close proximity!!
In a Nut Shell-
Next time there's a 120Kg Mass of Mtb biker and bike thundering towards you
and its an Avanti Hammer......You'll get a Nod!!!! .

Thats if I am not to busy with my new Head Up Display system..........LOL

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Anus said:

Seeing as we're doing the boring "Helmet Debate" again....lets start
another
boring, old-school debate!

Why is it that some riders just wont say "hello" back? I mean...it's

not

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very hard. Even just a nod of the head. It's just common courtesy! If
someone says "Hi"...you say it back! You'd think we'd all stick

together

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rather than being a bunch of stuck-up [censored].

I've noticed that it's mostly road riders (who struggle to un-clip at
lights) that elevate themselves to the "holier than thou" position of

not

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having to communicate....May 1000 flats come your way!

Maybe it depends where you ride and live. In the country, maybe any kind
of cyclist would nod/wave to any other kind of cyclist - there's just so
few of them. Same on a walking trail - you'd usually nod, smile, or say
hello to people coming the other way even though you don't know them
from Adam, whereas if you saw the same person walking towards you on
George/Collins/Hindley/<insert_big_street_here> Street, you'd totally
ignore them and nobody would be the least bit offended. In big cities
like Sydney (where I live) or Melbourne (where one of the earlier
posters lives), maybe there's so many cyclists (especially some of the
places I ride) that you don't feel the need to be matey with every
single one of them, and prefer to associate with (or at least nod at)
the ones with whom you feel more empathy (e.g. MTBers might feel more at
home with other MTBers, commuters with commuters, roadies with roadies,
etc.). I wouldn't nod at some kid on his BMX in the city any more than
he would at me, and neither party would mind or be surprised by the lack
of interaction. I don't pretend to know what it's like to ride a great
piece of singletrack, and maybe the MTBer I see on the street doesn't
know what it means to plan a criterium race just right and [censored]
victory on the line - what do we have in common apart from gears and a
chain? Why _would_ we nod or wave to each other? If we're meant to be
such genial souls, why not wave at pedestrians, horse riders, motorbike
riders (who have everything we have), or motorists?

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoint of cyclists who live and ride
outside the big cities, where there is a smaller total cycling
population - maybe there is more cross-discipline interaction there?

&roo
Roadie, Commuter, Rec Rider, and general nodder - except to BMX/MTB
riders ;-)

In case anyone gets the wrong idea from the above, I see a BIG
difference between nodding and nodding _back_. If you're nodded at by
anyone, not to return the gesture is just plain rude. Not to be the
initiator, however, is a matter of personal preference.

&roo