Saul Raisin

Jan said:

Just have to hope for good news.

http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney at
gmail.com

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Jan said:

Just have to hope for good news.

http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney at
gmail.com

It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for him.

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Jan said:

Just have to hope for good news.

http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney at
gmail.com

It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

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Jan wrote:
> Just have to hope for good news.
>
> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney at
gmail.com

It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread.
Brain injuries can go either way - look at the Aussie women who were in
'medically induced' coma and are racing again. Or Javier Otxoa who now
competes in paralympics. Or my club-mate who was injured in a crash
last August and needs 24-7 care. Or Ross Dillon. Let's hope he is on
the luckiest end of the spectrum of possibilities...

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> Jan wrote:
>> Just have to hope for good news.
>>
>> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/
>
> Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
> at
> gmail.com
>
It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered
with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread.
Brain injuries can go either way - look at the Aussie women who were in
'medically induced' coma and are racing again. Or Javier Otxoa who now
competes in paralympics. Or my club-mate who was injured in a crash
last August and needs 24-7 care. Or Ross Dillon. Let's hope he is on
the luckiest end of the spectrum of possibilities...

It sounds more like you're the one starting a helmet thread. It's a
legitimate question. From what I've read thus far, the impact was taken by
his face. Thus, anything other than a DH helmet would probably not have
offered any protection. Anyway, IMO, a helmet is a good idea--apparently
others, like Chris Boardman, would agree.

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Jan wrote:
> Just have to hope for good news.
>
> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
at
gmail.com

It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

More info at:
http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2022

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> Jan wrote:
>> Just have to hope for good news.
>>
>> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/
>
> Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
> at
> gmail.com
>
It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered
with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread.
Brain injuries can go either way - look at the Aussie women who were in
'medically induced' coma and are racing again. Or Javier Otxoa who now
competes in paralympics. Or my club-mate who was injured in a crash
last August and needs 24-7 care. Or Ross Dillon. Let's hope he is on
the luckiest end of the spectrum of possibilities...

Just holster it. I want more info about the injury and could care less about
people who prefer to spend their time arguing helmet vs.. no helmet instead
of riding.

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> Jan wrote:
>> Just have to hope for good news.
>>
>> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/
>
> Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
> at
> gmail.com
>
It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered
with the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

More info at:
http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2022

From the ProCycling link above:

"Following the operation to ease the swelling on Raisin's brain, Crédit
Agricole team doctor Dr Menard said "there is no longer any danger to his
life" and described his condition as "stable"."

Thank goodness

"Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread."

I think that the term "shove it" is accurate here.

Helmets accomplish effectively NOTHING. The pretense that someone is
better off because they are more pretected than if they had nothing on
their heads only proves that idiots abandon all ability to think when
some company markets an item.

Accidents occur in more or less two regimes - very bad and very minor.
There are only a very tiny proportion of accidents in between those two
catagories.

Helmets have some good effect on the later and none at all on the
former. It would be nice to be able to say that there were significant
numbers of those in between but the facts are that head injury
statistics show otherwise.

Wear a helmet if you like but don't neglect to use common sense when
riding OR RACING.

Thank God indeed. That is a relief but I think we ought to keep him in
our minds.

Tom,

I've seen you take a lot of [censored] on this newsgroup over the years and I've
always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt ... until now. Your post
is so wrong on so many levels it's mindboggling.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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"Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread."

I think that the term "shove it" is accurate here.

Helmets accomplish effectively NOTHING. The pretense that someone is
better off because they are more pretected than if they had nothing on
their heads only proves that idiots abandon all ability to think when
some company markets an item.

Accidents occur in more or less two regimes - very bad and very minor.
There are only a very tiny proportion of accidents in between those two
catagories.

Helmets have some good effect on the later and none at all on the
former. It would be nice to be able to say that there were significant
numbers of those in between but the facts are that head injury
statistics show otherwise.

Wear a helmet if you like but don't neglect to use common sense when
riding OR RACING.

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Tom,

I've seen you take a lot of [censored] on this newsgroup over the years and I've
always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt ... until now. Your
post is so wrong on so many levels it's mindboggling.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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"Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread."

I think that the term "shove it" is accurate here.

Helmets accomplish effectively NOTHING. The pretense that someone is
better off because they are more pretected than if they had nothing on
their heads only proves that idiots abandon all ability to think when
some company markets an item.

Accidents occur in more or less two regimes - very bad and very minor.
There are only a very tiny proportion of accidents in between those two
catagories.

Helmets have some good effect on the later and none at all on the
former. It would be nice to be able to say that there were significant
numbers of those in between but the facts are that head injury
statistics show otherwise.

Wear a helmet if you like but don't neglect to use common sense when
riding OR RACING.

Eunuch was soundly defeated four years ago by Richard Kaufman in the helmet
war at rec.bicycle.soc. He's wrong. It was proven by peer reviewed studies.
End of debate.

On 6 Apr 2006 11:35:15 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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Thank God indeed. That is a relief but I think we ought to keep him in
our minds.

Dumbass,

Yeah, because he may not have one of his own. They also said:

"Doctors are pleased with the way the operation went," said Joel
Menard, Credit Agricole team doctor. "But he is still connected to
life support and in a coma. This morning we feared imminent death and
that is no longer the situation, but we can only wait now. It could
take days for him to come out of the coma, if he comes out at all. And
if he comes out of the coma they don't know if his brain will
function."

So keep praying to your dear and fluffy lord.

Saul needs all the help he can get.

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>>Jan wrote:
>>
>>>Just have to hope for good news.
>>>
>>>http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/
>>
>>Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
>>at
>>gmail.com
>>
>
>It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
>him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered
with the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

More info at:
http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2022

From the ProCycling link above:

"Following the operation to ease the swelling on Raisin's brain, Crédit
Agricole team doctor Dr Menard said "there is no longer any danger to his
life" and described his condition as "stable"."

Thank goodness

Mice to hear good news about this--I hope it's right (based on their
unchallenged assertion that his team manager 3 years ago saved him from
"choking on his tongue" during a seizure), I cannot take for granted
they'd get their facts right.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

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Jan said:

Just have to hope for good news.

http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney at
gmail.com

It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for him.

oh my god... how horrible. But i remember a few years ago, a polish
cyclist from DOMO was in an equally bad accident and had surgery and
survived- even finished on the podium of the tour of Switzerland. I
didn't know Raisin's accident was that bad.

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"Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread."

I think that the term "shove it" is accurate here.

[censored] - Saul is in a coma and you want to whip out your helmet [censored]
again.

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"Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread."

Tom, Have some respect.

You just, in your passive aggressive way, are trying to turn this into a
helmet thread.

This is all about an American racer who is now in a coma. Zip it and show
respect and concern.

Please find another newsgroup to bother, Kunich. You have worn out your
welcome here. You are a true parasite.

Jan said:

Just have to hope for good news.

http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/

Jan

Yikes!!

His personal website is down!!

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> "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Jan wrote:
>>> Just have to hope for good news.
>>>
>>> http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/
>>
>> Last year, Saul was posting to rbr with the e-mail address liquidhoney
>> at
>> gmail.com
>>
> It doesn't sound at all good. Say a prayer to your favorite deity for
> him.

Done and done. Anyone know if the point of impact was an area covered
with
the helmet (blunt trauma), or did something sneak in underneath?

Have some respect, don't try and turn this into yet another flaming
helmet thread.
Brain injuries can go either way - look at the Aussie women who were in
'medically induced' coma and are racing again. Or Javier Otxoa who now
competes in paralympics. Or my club-mate who was injured in a crash
last August and needs 24-7 care. Or Ross Dillon. Let's hope he is on
the luckiest end of the spectrum of possibilities...

It sounds more like you're the one starting a helmet thread. It's a
legitimate question. From what I've read thus far, the impact was taken by
his face. Thus, anything other than a DH helmet would probably not have
offered any protection. Anyway, IMO, a helmet is a good idea--apparently
others, like Chris Boardman, would agree.

He had an Epileptic seizure and the coma was "drug induced" at the hospital
OK?!?!?!