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Apparently a motorbike rider has died after being involved in an accident on the course.

Boogerd crashed on the Jaizkibel descent. Didn't look bad though, and I think he's back with
the group.

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Bettini!

1st 5 are Italian...

Basso Di Luca Casagrande Noe`

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David N. Welton said:

Boogerd crashed on the Jaizkibel descent. Didn't look bad though, and I think he's back with
the group.

Cyclingnews agrees with you that it was Boogerd, but French Eurosport was reporting that it was
Rasmussen who crashed. I didn't quite look like Boogerd to me, either, but it's not like he's been
to my house for pizza or anything.

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel, he
was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the one
doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel, he
was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the one
doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Once Paolo did the selection on the Jaizkibel, he was about sure to won. He remained with a bunch of
"eternal runner-ups" who will never manage to beat someone with the class of the "californian" even
if they challenge him in 100 races in a row.

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel, he
was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the one
doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

It seems I created the suspense for myself. I was half thinking that Basso was sitting on and taking
only 5 second pulls because the jersey was Bettini's to have, and Basso was saving his strength for
the finish. Turns out he wasn't bluffing after all.

In article said:

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel,
he was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the
one doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Once Paolo did the selection on the Jaizkibel, he was about sure to won. He remained with a bunch
of "eternal runner-ups" who will never manage to beat someone with the class of the "californian"
even if they challenge him in 100 races in a row.

Why do you call him the "Californian"?

-WG

In article <[email hidden]>, Kyle Legate

Quoted message said:

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel,
he was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the
one doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

It seems I created the suspense for myself. I was half thinking that Basso was sitting on and
taking only 5 second pulls because the jersey was Bettini's to have, and Basso was saving his
strength for the finish. Turns out he wasn't bluffing after all.

Or they made a deal.

-WG

warren said:

In article said:

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel,
he was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the
one doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Once Paolo did the selection on the Jaizkibel, he was about sure to won. He remained with a bunch
of "eternal runner-ups" who will never manage to beat someone with the class of the "californian"
even if they challenge him in 100 races in a row.

Why do you call him the "Californian"?

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warren said:

In article said:

Robert Chung said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel,
he was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the
one doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Once Paolo did the selection on the Jaizkibel, he was about sure to won. He remained with a bunch
of "eternal runner-ups" who will never manage to beat someone with the class of the "californian"
even if they challenge him in 100 races in a row.

Why do you call him the "Californian"?

He comes from an Italian place named La California

Robert Chung said:

David N. Welton said:

Boogerd crashed on the Jaizkibel descent. Didn't look bad though, and I think he's back with the
group.

Quoted message said:

Cyclingnews agrees with you that it was Boogerd, but French Eurosport was reporting that it was
Rasmussen who crashed. I didn't quite look like Boogerd to me, either, but it's not like he's been
to my house for pizza or anything.

Davide Cassani pointed out, during the RAI coverage, that Boogerd has the former-nat-champion arm
stripes on his jersey, so it was easy to tell who it was. I was surprised those dutch guys were
there at all with that heat.

Quoted message said:

Bettini was way too powerful. He was the one who whittled the group down to 10 on the Jaizibel, he
was the one who made the decisive break on the final hill to drop Casagrande, and he was the one
doing the work to stay away. He was so dominating that it took away all the suspense. Very
impressive.

Yep... I think he would have put more time into the followers if he hadn't felt compelled to make
Basso pull occassionally, which always dropped the pace.

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Nah, Basso is kind of a half-ass. He is one of the 'big promises' of Italian cycling, and while he
does make steady improvements, he never seems to put it together for the big win, or the impressive
attack that would really set him apart from the rest of the field.

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(Davide Tosi) said:

Quoted message said:

Why do you call him the "Californian"?

He comes from an Italian place named La California

I looked it up in my Touring Club Italiano maps, and apparently there is another California
somewhere up in the Dolomites...

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David N. Welton said:

Davide Cassani pointed out, during the RAI coverage, that Boogerd has the former-nat-champion arm
stripes on his jersey, so it was easy to tell who it was.

But Rasmussen had world champion stripes, from his MTB title. That may have been the cause of the
confusion.

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I was surprised those dutch guys were there at all with that heat.

Rasmussen's Danish. From the Rabobank site, his hobbies: reading, movies and eating. However, also
from that site: BMI = 19.3.

David N. Welton said:

Nah, Basso is kind of a half-ass. He is one of the 'big promises' of Italian cycling, and while he
does make steady improvements, he never seems to put it together for the big win, or the
impressive attack that would really set him apart from the rest of the field.

he did place in the top ten a TDF without the benefit of a team.... they were down to three riders.

"David N. Welton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Nah, Basso is kind of a half-ass.

Wow, you are hard to please.

He is one of the 'big promises' of

Quoted message said:

Italian cycling, and while he does make steady improvements, he never seems to put it together for
the big win, or the impressive attack that would really set him apart from the rest of the field.

You must be kidding. He seems to race all year and finishes near the front quite a bit. He is
only in his mid 20s and I can think of a handful of superstars that had won more by his age, but
not too many. Italy is a great place for a talent like his and I have no doubt he will continue
to get stronger. For contrast, compare Basso to Bettini's palmares up to the age of even 28. The
kid has it.

Nick Burns said:

"David N. Welton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nah, Basso is kind of a half-ass.

Wow, you are hard to please.

He is one of the 'big promises' of

Quoted message said:

Italian cycling, and while he does make steady improvements, he never seems to put it together for
the big win, or the impressive attack that would really set him apart from the rest of the field.

You must be kidding. He seems to race all year and finishes near the front quite a bit. He is
only in his mid 20s and I can think of a handful of superstars that had won more by his age, but
not too many. Italy is a great place for a talent like his and I have no doubt he will continue
to get stronger. For contrast, compare Basso to Bettini's palmares up to the age of even 28. The
kid has it.

Really! Just needs a good team to get the right results. Had to be tough finishing as well as he did
in the TdF with only one other team mate left by Paris, the remainder suffering from some mysterious
grimpeur-intestinal malady which affects italian sprinter teams when the road turns upwards.

Nick Burns said:

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Quoted message said:

Nah, Basso is kind of a half-ass.

Quoted message said:

Wow, you are hard to please.

Yeah, I guess that's kind of harsh:-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He is one of the 'big promises' of Italian cycling, and while he does make steady improvements,
he never seems to put it together for the big win, or the impressive attack that would really
set him apart from the rest of the field.

Quoted message said:

You must be kidding. He seems to race all year and finishes near the front quite a bit. He is
only in his mid 20s and I can think of a handful of superstars that had won more by his age, but
not too many. Italy is a great place for a talent like his and I have no doubt he will continue
to get stronger. For contrast, compare Basso to Bettini's palmares up to the age of even 28. The
kid has it.

No doubt that he has a lot of potential. I just get bored reading about him in the Italian press. I
also dont' recollect having ever seen him ever racing very aggressively. He's strong enough to go
with the best, but I don't get a feeling he ever takes much initiative, which all together doesn't
make him a particularly interesting rider, from my point of view. Maybe that will change with time,
as he comes into his own - let's hope so!

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Nick Burns said:

He is one of the 'big promises' of

Quoted message said:

Italian cycling, and while he does make steady improvements, he never seems to put it
together for the big win, or the impressive attack that would really set him apart from the
rest of the field.

You must be kidding. He seems to race all year and finishes near the front quite a bit. He is
only in his mid 20s and I can think of a handful of superstars that had won more by his age, but
not too many. Italy is a great place for a talent like his and I have no doubt he will continue
to get stronger. For contrast, compare Basso to Bettini's palmares up to the age of even 28. The
kid has it.

You are overstating him. Bettini at 28 had already won one L-B-L and a lot of minor races. Basso
completely lacks in winning mentality. A champion to come maybe has not big wins, but is usually
winning a lot of minor races. Basso does not fit this description, because he does not run to win,
he runs to stay with the top of the race. This attitude usually results in lots of runner-up places.
The next big thing of Italian cycling is Pippo Pozzato: only 21 and has already won dozens of races.