Safety clothing

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Quoted message said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beatthis
or should I order myself one?

I might get one of these, only £20, and you can choose the measurements
you want. Brilliant.

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr249.html

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Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beat this
or should I order myself one?

Tom

6.99 at Swaffham market - but only for Gillets.

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Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beat this
or should I order myself one?

Tom

THEY still wont see you !!!

Hywel Jenkins said:

I might get one of these, only £20, and you can choose the measurements
you want. Brilliant.

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr249.html

Put me down for two.

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Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beat this
or should I order myself one?

Tom

I picked up 2 for free from the side of the road, a bit dirty though.

Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone
beat this or should I order myself one?

If it's clean, and is EN471 class 3, it's good.
I always use class 3 hi-vis, but it's not as easy to find, and is
normally quite a bit more expensive than class 2.

Class 2 need not have sleaves, and may only have two hoops round teh
torso - which means if you're hunched over on the drops there may be
evry little reflective visible to an oncoming driver, and arm-signals
get neither flourescent nor reflective.

Class 3 requires bands over the shoulders, and sleeves with bands
round them, addressing both the concerns above. The problem is, it's
rarely found in builders mercahnts or the like, you need to go
somewhere a bit more specialist for it, and it's typically twice teh
price of class 2 - in the 16-20 quid range.

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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:18:21 +0000, Jack Ouzzi
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<1102155503.aT7/C3TojuS+TmlH9QpTcw@teranews>:

Quoted message said:

THEY still wont see you !!!

Allegedly.

However:

"Amongst the 175 accidents [around 3/4 for adult cyclists] where the
motorist was to blame, 62 (35 per cent) occurred when the cyclist was
travelling across a junction on the major road and was struck by the
motor vehicle emerging from a side road or by an on-coming motor
vehicle wanting to turn right, 35 (20 per cent) occurred on a straight
road while the cyclist was being overtaken, 20 (11 per cent) occurred
at roundabouts and a further 20 (11 per cent) involved the driver of a
parked motor vehicle opening a door across the path of the cyclist or
actually pulling out from parking and colliding with the cyclist.

"Lack of conspicuity was assessed to have been a contributory factor
in 73 (20 per cent) of cases where the cyclist was involved in a
collision with a motor vehicle or other cyclist on a road or cycle
track. The most frequent accident types were where the cyclist was
preparing to turn right and was struck from behind by a motor vehicle
or where the cyclist was travelling straight over a junction on the
major road and was struck by a vehicle emerging from the side road or
by an on-coming motor vehicle wanting to turn right across the path of
the cyclist. Less than 5 per cent of the cyclists who had their
accidents on a road or cycle track had been wearing conspicuity aids,
however forty-two per cent of the cyclists had at least one
conspicuity aid, not including rear reflectors, fitted to their
bicycles."

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Quoted message said:

6.99 at Swaffham market - but only for Gillets.

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£5.00 at Dereham market ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

6.99 at Swaffham market - but only for Gillets.

£5.00 at Dereham market ;-)

But not for class 3, is it?

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in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

you know? (') said:

Less than 5 per cent of the cyclists who had their
accidents on a road or cycle track had been wearing conspicuity aids,
however forty-two per cent of the cyclists had at least one
conspicuity aid, not including rear reflectors, fitted to their
bicycles."

(i) What is classed as a 'conspicuity aid' in this study?

(ii) If 42% of the cyclists who had accidents had 'conspicuity aids'
fitted to their bicycles, what proportion of the overall cycling
population do? Are cyclists with conspicuity aids more, or less, likely
to suffer an accident?

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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:45:11 +0000, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

(i) What is classed as a 'conspicuity aid' in this study?

In the context of "fitted": lights, wheel and pedal reflectors, flags

Quoted message said:

(ii) If 42% of the cyclists who had accidents had 'conspicuity aids'
fitted to their bicycles, what proportion of the overall cycling
population do? Are cyclists with conspicuity aids more, or less, likely
to suffer an accident?

You're not catching me with that one ;-)

It's not actually entirely clear - and the more I read it the less
clear it gets. It looks as if the finding is that conspicuity aids
fitted to the bike are much less effective than worn conspicuity aids
- i.e. reflective jackets work better than reflectors and lights.
More crashed cyclists lacked conspicuity aids than had them; few
crashed cyclists were *wearing* conspicuity aids. Without comparative
data for the uninjured population this tells us nothing, of course,
other than that SMIDSYs are a major source of injury. No. 1 way of
avoiding those is to ride inna Cyclecraft stylee and be where the
cagers are looking in the first place.

My understanding of it is, big bright bodies show up better than
little reflectors. I think this finding was backed up by a report in
the International Journal of the Blindingly Obvious, so it could well
be wrong, as most "obvious" things seem to be.

Guy
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Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beat this
or should I order myself one?

The 'Security' patch isn't included, sadly 🙂 UKP 7.50 is a bit steep for
delivery too.

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Quoted message said:

But not for class 3, is it?

regards, Ian MSith

Dunno, but it's very, very bright.

Cheers, helen s

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Ian Smith said:

Class 3 requires bands over the shoulders, and sleeves with bands
round them, addressing both the concerns above. The problem is, it's
rarely found in builders mercahnts or the like, you need to go
somewhere a bit more specialist for it, and it's typically twice teh
price of class 2 - in the 16-20 quid range.

If you're looking for hi-vis clothing, Cromwell supply all sorts including
class 3 jackets, trousers and anoraks. For example:
http://www.cromwell.co.uk/KEN9629500K
They even do breathable stuff:
http://www.cromwell.co.uk/KEN9629552K

Cromwell mainly supply the trade, but served me with a smile in their
Sheffield store. I've not tried asking them whether I can try on items of
clothing, though.

Bob

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

But not for class 3, is it?

Dunno, but it's very, very bright.

Does it have sleaves with two reflective bands round them, does it
have reflective over the shoulders?

regards, Ian SMith
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Quoted message said:

Does it have sleaves with two reflective bands round them, does it
have reflective over the shoulders?

No sleeves - it's a gilet as referred to in Chris's post on Swaffham Market. It
has 2 x 5cm reflective bands round body & 1 x 5cm reflectve band over each
shoulder down to the topmost reflective band round body. For a fiver, it's good
value.

Cheers, helen s

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Tom said:

Found on another newsgroup:
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr167.html

£8 for a high vis jacket sounds like a bargain to me, can anyone beat this
or should I order myself one?

Not a jacket but a vest, which may be more suitable for putting over
other clothing:

http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/RoadSafetyOnline/products/product-69729.stm

Just £5.00

John B

Quoted message said:

Not a jacket but a vest, which may be more suitable for putting over
other clothing:

http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/RoadSafetyOnline/products/product-69729.stm

Just £5.00

John B

That was the first one I bought. I added some reflective tape across the
shoulders. It's the one I now keep flung in the boot of the car.

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

Does it have sleaves with two reflective bands round them, does it
have reflective over the shoulders?

No sleeves - it's a gilet as referred to in Chris's post on Swaffham Market. It
has 2 x 5cm reflective bands round body & 1 x 5cm reflectve band over each
shoulder down to the topmost reflective band round body. For a fiver, it's good
value.

OK, class 2 then (if anything, but it probably is 'cos teh
manufacturers tend not to bother making such things without meeting
471), and a bit cheaper than usual. I don't use it, because it does
nothing for hand-signals.

regards, Ian SMith
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