saddles and male issues

foxgetsthefish says:

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hello all, i am a newcomer here,

Hi!

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the trails around here (texas)

do tell.....

Your profile lists you as being from Lower Brevard County, and lists fishing pretty exclusively for
someone who races "in a few mtb events per year".

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"chuck" (posting under an alias because there is a certain ruthless band of renegades here that
would get years of ammo to use against me if they were to know who i am, and they would find
out... lol)

Well, we have some possibilities, at least....

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The best seat is the one that fits your ass, not anybody else's. That includes all of us.

Generally speaking though, you may want to look for ones that are wider and flatter, rather than
rounded on top. I'm a big fan of the original WTB SST (I have them on six bikes right now), although
I have no idea where to get them anymore.

Lotsa folks swear by the old Brooks B17, although I've never been able to get comfortable on them.

Best bet is to get on ebay and buy used seats for as cheap as you can until you find one that works
for you. Then buy a half dozen (at least) of them. Because once you find something you like, it'll
be discontinued.

Cheers,

-Andrew Thorne

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HOWEVER, i just yesterday had a very sudden bout of acute prostatitis, so bad that last night and
today it is extremely uncomfortable to walk, stand, or even shift positions in bed. got antibodies
and ibuprofen from the doc for treatment. whether this was caused by bacteria or by the riding is
not determinable at this point.

I've lived with intermittant prostatic infections for a long time - i.e. more than 10 years...a
lot more....

Be extremely cautious at this point. You *really* don't want to get started on chronic prostate
infections. After awhile, something calcifies in there and a few of the bad guys seem to lodge in
the calcified section where they escape the antibiotics....and guess what happens next time that
thing gets beat up on a little?

Contra-intuitive as it may seem, you want a hard saddle - something where your sit bones won't sink
in letting the rest of the saddle bear on your perinium.

But you also want a soft ride. Think sprung saddle (Brooks B-72 is a nice compromise) or FS.

Tilt is critical. Start with the nose a down from horizontal - to the point where it's uncomfortable
for your arms because you need to use them to keep from sliding forward. Then work the nose up until
you can live with the angle arm-wise. I swear by micro-adjustabl posts - the kind that adjust with
two screws instead of little ridges....a seemingly-tiny adjustment can make a beeeg diff.

Don't hammer. My plumber says that there are lumph ducts that connect the colon and the prostate.
Enough intra-abdominal pressure forces bacteria from one to the other. According to him, prostatitis
is endemic among power lifters.
--
PeteCresswell

Andrew Thorne said:

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The best seat is the one that fits your ass, not anybody else's. That includes all of us.

Generally speaking though, you may want to look for ones that are wider and flatter, rather than
rounded on top. I'm a big fan of the original WTB SST (I have them on six bikes right now),
although I have no idea where to get them anymore.

Lotsa folks swear by the old Brooks B17, although I've never been able to get comfortable on them.

Best bet is to get on ebay and buy used seats for as cheap as you can until you find one that
works for you. Then buy a half dozen (at least) of them. Because once you find something you like,
it'll be discontinued.

Terry has several styles of male-specific cut away saddles and also has a handy-dandy chart
suggesting choices designed to minimize specific forms of discomfort. Make sure you scroll
down to the chart labeled "Y" for male saddle recommendations. The chart also lists the
length, width and weight of each style, which might make it a little easier to compare what
you're seeing online to what you already know hurts you (your current saddle).

Kathleen

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Don't hammer. My plumber says that there are lumph ducts that connect the colon and the prostate.
Enough intra-abdominal pressure forces bacteria from one to the other. According to him,
prostatitis is endemic among power lifters.

Funny, my urologist says my pipes are rusty!

Bill "gonna consult the mail man tomorrow" S.

PS: To the OP -- best bet is to find a bike shop with a liberal buy/try/return policy. Perfomance
is very good in that regard. I have a garage full of mail order saddle blunders.

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Generally speaking though, you may want to look for ones that are wider and flatter, rather than
rounded on top. I'm a big fan of the original WTB SST (I have them on six bikes right now),
although I have no idea where to get them anymore.

A while back, a friend of mind gave me his old WTB SST.X saddle, which I put on my new bike (I
didn't like the one it came with). The SST was very comfy...great in fact, but it was quite
tattered, and I wanted to get a new one. I found that Cabria Bike had a couple different SST's...see
the bottom of this page...

cambriabike.comindex.htmOpen ↗

I ended up getting second one from the bottom (the non-classic). However, I found that it was
almost, but not quite the same as my SST.X. Its actually a bit heavier, and it isn't as comfortable.
I'm debating whether I should try the "classic" version, to see if maybe this one is an exact match
of my SST.X, or just put the old saddle back on and ride it until it completely falls apart.

Kathleen said:

Terry has several styles of male-specific cut away saddles and also has a handy-dandy chart
suggesting choices designed to minimize specific forms of discomfort. Make sure you scroll
down to the chart labeled "Y" for male saddle recommendations. The chart also lists the
length, width and weight of each style, which might make it a little easier to compare what
you're seeing online to what you already know hurts you (your current saddle).

D'oh! I guess a link might be nice: terrybicycles.commsad.lassoOpen ↗

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Originally posted by Foxgetsthefish [/i]
<pain, pain>

I've had good luck with the Specialized wedge saddle. It was only like $50 or something. I think they called it a Dr. "Minkow" wedge (?). Whatever, it works for me.

Take care of your junk bro and it will take care of you. Good luck.

K.

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thanks in advance, looking forward to your ideas

"chuck" (posting under an alias because there is a certain ruthless band

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renegades here that would get years of ammo to use against me if they were

to

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know who i am, and they would find out... lol)

I was getting the temporary numbness thing awhile back. In an article in a cycling rag it mentioned
saddle height as one of the main culprits along with angle. After lowering the saddle by not quite
an inch the numbness went away. Everybody mentions angle and type of saddle or conditioning of your
rear to riding as being key to solving this sort of problem, but in my case the saddle was to high.
--
Good... bad... I'm the one with the gun. Fredzep

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foxgetsthefish says:

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hello all, i am a newcomer here,

Hi!

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the trails around here (texas)

do tell.....

Your profile lists you as being from Lower Brevard County, and lists

fishing

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pretty exclusively for someone who races "in a few mtb events per year".

Did you have to put on your A.M-B Official Detective Hat to waste your time and our bandwidth
"discovering" this eye-popping information? OMFG! He likes to fish!! He's out of the Bomberhood. No
fishing allowed. Mom says.

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"chuck" (posting under an alias because there is a certain ruthless band

of

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renegades here that would get years of ammo to use against me if they

were to

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know who i am, and they would find out... lol)

Well, we have some possibilities, at least....

Whatever <yawn>

R0kk3tm4n

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Contra-intuitive as it may seem, you want a hard saddle - something where your sit bones won't
sink in letting the rest of the saddle bear on your perinium.

But you also want a soft ride. Think sprung saddle (Brooks B-72 is a nice compromise) or FS.

Tilt is critical. Start with the nose a down from horizontal - to the point where it's
uncomfortable for your arms because you need to use them to keep from sliding forward. Then work
the nose up until you can live with the angle arm-wise. I swear by micro-adjustabl posts - the
kind that adjust with two screws instead of little ridges....a seemingly-tiny adjustment can make
a beeeg diff.

Don't hammer. My plumber says that there are lumph ducts that connect the colon and the prostate.
Enough intra-abdominal pressure forces bacteria from one to the other. According to him,
prostatitis is endemic among power lifters.
--
PeteCresswell

Excellent advice!
--
Slacker

thanks for the responses - kathleen, andrew, brett, pete, K, and fredzep - some good info to
go on there.

now, as far as monique .. do you have a pic??? ;-)

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 at 00:26 GMT, Foxgetsthefish penned:

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one guy tried a womens specialized dulce saddle, and liked the results. since the seat isnt
pink or otherwise easilly gender-recognized, this is worth considering.

It's an interesting commentary on our society that, in the face of numbness and extreme pain,
a man would still refuse to try a saddle if said saddle appeared in any way to be designed for
a woman.

Absoluckingfutely Monique!

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"chuck" (posting under an alias because there is a certain ruthless band of renegades here that
would get years of ammo to use against me if they were to know who i am, and they would find
out... lol)

I wouldn't have mentioned this, if I were you. "Vee haf vays of making you tok!" ... You just
*know* that someone's going to take up the challenge to track you down.

Actually, it's also an interesting commentary that anything having to do with genital
pain/impotence is considered insult material, rather than just a medical issue. Why should anyone
have to be embarrassed about it?

Well, I for one ain't - I got a [censored], and I got a pair o' balls, they sometimes ache during/after a
ride, BFD!

',;~}~

Shaun aRe - Both kind's o' ride LOL! ',;~}~

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 at 14:04 GMT, Foxgetsthefish penned:

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thanks for the responses - kathleen, andrew, brett, pete, K, and fredzep - some good info to go
on there.

now, as far as monique .. do you have a pic??? ;-)

Of my saddle?

/puzzled

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monique

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It's an interesting commentary on our society that, in the face of numbness and extreme pain, a
man would still refuse to try a saddle if said saddle appeared in any way to be designed for a
woman.

Absoluckingfutely Monique!

so is monique the groups feminist advocate, or is shaun the group bully?

You are quite incorrect on both counts ',;~}~

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methinks there is some history here, perhaps like beaver and judy in mrs. landers class.

Hardly - we just both happen to be right is all.

Shaun aRe

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thanks for the responses - kathleen, andrew, brett, pete, K, and fredzep - some good info to go
on there.

now, as far as monique .. do you have a pic??? ;-)

you need to read the FAQ for the answer to that one.

a.m-b FAQ: j-harris.netambfaq.htmOpen ↗

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It's an interesting commentary on our society that, in the face of numbness and extreme pain, a
man would still refuse to try a saddle if said saddle appeared in any way to be designed for a
woman.

Absoluckingfutely Monique!

so is monique the groups feminist advocate, or is shaun the group bully?

Monique took over from me, and Shaun is the jester. Methinks you should pay better attention.

Penny

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Penny says:

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Methinks you should pay better attention.

Methinks he should listen a while before jumping to conclusions. ;-)

Not to mention practice some - that kinda jumping can lead to some bad landings for the
novice ',;~}~

Yo Foxguydudegeezer - none of us had meant any offence...yet!

Shaun aRe - Skin of a rhino, wits of a sage. Well, the skin bit is true for sure...ahem.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 at 16:02 GMT, Shaun Rimmer penned:

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"Foxgetsthefish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040107084432.11149.00002484@mb-
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>> It's an interesting commentary on our society that, in the face of numbness and extreme
>> pain, a man would still refuse to try a saddle if said saddle appeared in any way to be
>> designed for a woman.
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so is monique the groups feminist advocate, or is shaun the group bully?

You are quite incorrect on both counts ',;~}~

I'm honored to be mentioned in the same breath as Shaun,

OooOOOO! And I'm honoured you should say so, Kind Monique ',;~}~

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as I'm a newbie to the group and he (afaict) has been around since the dawn of time, or at least
since a day or two before I found myself here.

Been here a few years, maybe 3? - Not sure (for certain, heheh...)

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Never thought of him as a bully, though -- more like the resident bill the cat, or something.

Who's Bill the cat?

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methinks there is some history here, perhaps like beaver and judy in mrs. landers class.

Hardly - we just both happen to be right is all.

Absoluckingfutely!

No real history that I can recall. Then again, I don't recall beaver and judy, etc. Perhaps I
should watch more Nick at Night?

Heh - I don't know who TF they are either. Must be a memory thang, eh?

Cheers!

Shaun aRe