Saddle for beginner female?

Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

So, any suggestions? Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget. Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

Don't assume from reviews that a saddle is bad, especially from a review of
a bike. Saddle comfort can be greatly affected by the relative position of
the handlebars, *minor* changes in the tilt of the saddle, and what someone
is wearing. And the same saddle reviewed on a cheaper bike might get much
less favorable reviews than when it's on a more-expensive model, because
people are giving it the "thumb test" and if it feels soft to their thumb
they think GREAT! not realizing that means it's going to sag in the middle
when they sit on it, causing the front end to essentially rise up and cause
issues.

Having said all that, the go-to saddle for women with issues remains the
Terry Butterfly. But here's the thing. Don't change the saddle right off,
even if you want to. She'll perceive the Terry saddle as being even
more-better if she's comparing it to something she doesn't like (the stock
seat).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

So, any suggestions? Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget. Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

Thanks,

Dan

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Quoted message said:

So, any suggestions?  Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget.  Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

Don't assume from reviews that a saddle is bad, especially from a review of
a bike. Saddle comfort can be greatly affected by the relative position of
the handlebars, *minor* changes in the tilt of the saddle, and what someone
is wearing. And the same saddle reviewed on a cheaper bike might get much
less favorable reviews than when it's on a more-expensive model, because
people are giving it the "thumb test" and if it feels soft to their thumb
they think GREAT! not realizing that means it's going to sag in the middle
when they sit on it, causing the front end to essentially rise up and cause
issues.

Having said all that, the go-to saddle for women with issues remains the
Terry Butterfly. But here's the thing. Don't change the saddle right off,
even if you want to. She'll perceive the Terry saddle as being even
more-better if she's comparing it to something she doesn't like (the stock
seat).

--Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Quoted message said:

So, any suggestions?  Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget.  Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

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Thanks,

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Thanks Mike. I think one of my fellow patrollers rides with one of
those, the name certainly rings a bell.

I for sure won't encourage her to change it right off. Personally, I
have been able to get used to every saddle that's come on any bike
I've owned. She's a touch cookie, she may just get used to it. I
just wanted to have an idea what to say if it comes up, since she's
already mentioned it and isn't even picking up the bike until
tomorrow. Good call on the adjustments, I'll make sure plenty of time
is spent on that before any money is spent.

Quoted post said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

WTB Speed V She is a good basic shape and pretty affordable, running
around $40. It's a bit overly squishy for some tastes, but for mtbing,
where you stand a lot, that shouldn't matter.

landotter said:

Quoted post said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

WTB Speed V She is a good basic shape and pretty affordable, running
around $40. It's a bit overly squishy for some tastes, but for mtbing,
where you stand a lot, that shouldn't matter.

My sister-in-law's sister got one of those a couple of years back, and
liked it quite a bit. Her husband is about the same height, and
they'll often share bikes, and he liked it too, and got one for his
own bike. He's confident enough in his masculinity to not be put off
by the "Speed She" label.

I'm still riding Brooks on all of my bikes. 🙂

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On Feb 6, 10:20 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle..
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

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WTB Speed V She is a good basic shape and pretty affordable, running
around $40. It's a bit overly squishy for some tastes, but for mtbing,
where you stand a lot, that shouldn't matter.

My sister-in-law's sister got one of those a couple of years back, and
liked it quite a bit. Her husband is about the same height, and
they'll often share bikes, and he liked it  too, and got one for his
own bike. He's confident enough in his masculinity to not be put off
by the "Speed She" label.

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Cool, now we've got 2 possibilities for if it needs to be changed.
Thanks again.

Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

So, any suggestions? Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget. Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

ANY saddle is going to be tortuous to a new rider. Let her ride this bike a
while -- adjusting things like saddle height, tilt and fore-aft position; as
well as handlebar orientation (stem length, stack height, etc.) -- and if
she takes to mountain biking, then she can search out the "right" saddle
herself.

If you have a Performance store nearby, they will accept returns on saddles,
so she can try a few until happy. She might even LIKE this initial saddle,
by the way; people have a way of adjusting to what they're given.

Hope it works out for the two of you! (In a strictly cycling sense, of
course ;-)

BS (no, really)

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Quoted message said:

So, any suggestions?  Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget.  Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

ANY saddle is going to be tortuous to a new rider.  Let her ride this bike a
while -- adjusting things like saddle height, tilt and fore-aft position; as
well as handlebar orientation (stem length, stack height, etc.) --

I forget about things like this. I do not believe I have gone a
single month without riding a bike since I was a child, probably 8-10
years old. It makes sense that someone who has not been on a bike
since they were a kid is going to have some conditioning and getting
used to to do - she probably won't be as comfortable even on "the
right saddle" as someone else who has the same "right saddle" but has
been riding for years. Thanks for pointing this out. I'm going to
have to do my homework on adjustment, to this day saddle adjustment to
me isn't much more than a 3 step process.
1) Set to "that looks right"
2) Ride for a while. If any issues arise, re-examine and make
adjustment
3) Ride.
I have seen threads & articles about doing the 1/2mm adjustments on
and on forever, but never found it necessary. Up until a few years
back I was riding BMX on BMX saddles, and the extent of adjustment was
hitting it with something to readjust from the last crash - sorta
close was always close enough.

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and if
she takes to mountain biking, then she can search out the "right" saddle
herself.

She will be finding the right saddle herself if and when the time
comes, I just know I'll be the default person she goes to with
questions if she starts that search.

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If you have a Performance store nearby, they will accept returns on saddles,
so she can try a few until happy.  She might even LIKE this initial saddle,
by the way; people have a way of adjusting to what they're given.

No performances even kinda close. We do have REI, which may do the
same thing for her. I don't think my LBS would, although she might be
able to sweet talk them into a day trial. The initial plan will be to
try to get her to grow into the original saddle with proper
adjustments, and direct her to this thread if she wants something
better down the road. I already feel as though I'm a little more
qualified for the conversation when it comes.

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Hope it works out for the two of you!  (In a strictly cycling sense, of
course ;-)

Can't slide that wink by me! I appreciate your good thoughts, but
this is one of those instances where it truly is just about
friendship, riding bikes and spending time with childhood friends. To
say I'm not her type would be an understatement.

Quoted post said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Are you saying she hasn't actually ridden this bike yet? If so, I
wouldn't jump to conclusions. Maybe her past "saddle problems" were
due to improper bike fit or setup. It's also good to get out of the
saddle once in a while when riding.

Art Harris

Art Harris said:

Quoted post said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking.  I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often.  She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money.  Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Are you saying she hasn't actually ridden this bike yet? If so, I
wouldn't jump to conclusions. Maybe her past "saddle problems" were
due to improper bike fit or setup. It's also good to get out of the
saddle once in a while when riding.

Art Harris

Correct, she has not ridden the bike. I'm not writing this saddle off
altogether, just getting knowledge about saddles and saddle setup to
be prepared when/if it comes up. There's no question her previous
bikes all sucked, this one has a MSRP of like $600ish new and will be
a whole new category of bike for her.

I'll be her primary riding partner, and she wants to ride the trails I
do. She'll be out of the sattle a whole lot more than once in a while.

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Art Harris said:

Quoted post said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

Quoted message said:

Are you saying she hasn't actually ridden this bike yet? If so, I
wouldn't jump to conclusions. Maybe her past "saddle problems" were
due to improper bike fit or setup. It's also good to get out of the
saddle once in a while when riding.

Quoted message said:

Art Harris

Correct, she has not ridden the bike. I'm not writing this saddle off
altogether, just getting knowledge about saddles and saddle setup to
be prepared when/if it comes up. There's no question her previous
bikes all sucked, this one has a MSRP of like $600ish new and will be
a whole new category of bike for her.

If it doesn't come with a women's specific saddle she'll probably be
happiest with it being replaced right away. But she might as well test
ride it and see. A lot of bikes come with OEM saddles made by Velo
these days, and they make very comfortable basic saddles.

I am just not understanding why you feel that choosing the right
saddle for her is YOUR responsibility? And she hasn't even ridden the
bike yet? Aren't you putting the cart a little in front of the
horse? Let her choose HER OWN saddle. Otherwise she will never
assume ownership of the decision. And you think that helping a woman
with her bike is going to allow you to "hang out [together] more
often"? Nope, sorry, it doesn't work that way! And you're NOT going
to have any fun riding with this woman because she's completely out of
shape. You will get bored as hell riding slowly enough to stay with
her, and she will get angry and resentful because you are faster than
she is. If you want to be honest about it, basing your relationship
on cycling is more likely to cause disagreements between you than it
is to improve your friendship. Let's face it, chances are that she
will stop riding completely when she finds out how out of shape she
is, and how hard it is going to be to get in shape. Most people are
afraid of "hurting" while they get in shape, and I'll bet she is one
of those. Find another woman with whom you have more in common, and
not necessarily cycling, because women are notorious for changing
their interests weekly! She'll be interested in mountain biking this
week, and something entirely different next week. Don't be afraid to
remain single; don't be so "needy" for a relationship; and let the
women seek YOU out if they are interested in you. The only kind of
woman you're going to please with your present attitude is the kind
who wants to make you do everything for her, but since women like that
will never admit their own helplessness, they will never show you any
appreciation for what you do. You don't want that.

Been there, done that, and didn't even get a tee shirt. Listen to the
voice of experience.

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Been there, done that, and didn't even get a tee shirt. Listen to the
voice of experience.

Boy, are YOU making a lot of assumptions about what the OP thinks, based
on no evidence / information at all....
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Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

i suggest taht she just use what she has for awhile--when she begins to
grock saddles then ask other female riders you come across and ask questions

hth

peter

Sorry, Rob, but the young guys need advice from us old farts who have
been around the block a few times, and I don't mean ONLY on a bike!

Because our modern society is extremely matriarchal and misanthropic,
young men tend to get brainwashed by the womens' lib political
correctness and live out their lives being directed by it, rather than
"marching to the beat of their own drummer" instead, and in doing so,
discovering themselves.

In addition, as we all know there is a lot of family and peer-group
pressure on young men to get into a relationship with a woman. But
the divorce rate is HUGE, and all of the married men I know are
extremely unhappy and depressed (if you can get them to drop the
"happily married" facade and really be honest) because women just
don't seem to be able to stop themselves from being domineering. All
their new power has totally gone to their heads; they delude
themselves into thinking that they can do anything a man can do, even
though they can't; and since they've tricked themselves into thinking
that a man's skills are easy, they will never give a man the respect
he deserves for using his skills. If men start realizing that they
are NOT going to make themselves happy by marrying or shacking up,
then they will start thinking more about how to be happily single.

I didn't make any unwarranted assumptions. As I said, I've been there
and done that, several times over, and I KNOW whereof I speak. If you
think I have a big agenda, then you are simply refusing to face
reality. Have a nice day.

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I am just not understanding why you feel that choosing the right
saddle for her is YOUR responsibility? And she hasn't even ridden the
bike yet? Aren't you putting the cart a little in front of the
horse?

I don't feel it is my responsibility at all. However, being the
default "bike guy" amongst all my friends, whenever she has a question
I get an email. Whenever ANY of my friends (outside of friends I made
cycling) have a bike question, I am the default. When my PARENTS
friends have bike questions, my phone rings.

When she read that the worst complaint about this particular bike was
an uncomfortable saddle, she mentioned that the saddle was a comfort
issue for her years ago as a kid. I have no experience in woman's
saddles. I enjoy being knowledgeable about bikes. Cart in front of
the horse? Hardly.

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Let her choose HER OWN saddle. Otherwise she will never
assume ownership of the decision.

She's a successful adult, firefighter and EMT. I have no concerns in
her ability to assume ownership of her decisions, she appears to do it
quite well, and has since she was a kid.

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And you think that helping a woman
with her bike is going to allow you to "hang out [together] more
often"? Nope, sorry, it doesn't work that way!

Actually, as adult friends get older, life, family, mortgages, etc.
all start to get in the way of old fashioned "hanging out". Having a
common hobby seriously adds to the hang out time. I just started
climbing at the rock gym with my best friend, and guess what, we spend
more time together because of it.

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And you're NOT going
to have any fun riding with this woman because she's completely out of
shape. You will get bored as hell riding slowly enough to stay with
her, and she will get angry and resentful because you are faster than
she is.

Out of shape? Jumping jesus on a pogo stick, where do you come up
with this [censored]? I said she doesn't ride, that's it. I didn't say a
word about the gym, field hockey, soccer, or running in and out of
burning buildings. She's in better shape than I am.

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If you want to be honest about it, basing your relationship
on cycling is more likely to cause disagreements between you than it
is to improve your friendship.

How about basing our relationship on the fact that we've been good
friends since we were 10 and grew up just down the street from each
other? We actually enjoy challenges and ribbing between each other,
and have since we were playing football in our front yards as kids.
Does that have your approval, oh wise and mighty old-fart?

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Let's face it, chances are that she
will stop riding completely when she finds out how out of shape she
is, and how hard it is going to be to get in shape. Most people are
afraid of "hurting" while they get in shape, and I'll bet she is one
of those. Find another woman with whom you have more in common, and
not necessarily cycling, because women are notorious for changing
their interests weekly! She'll be interested in mountain biking this
week, and something entirely different next week. Don't be afraid to
remain single; don't be so "needy" for a relationship; and let the
women seek YOU out if they are interested in you. The only kind of
woman you're going to please with your present attitude is the kind
who wants to make you do everything for her, but since women like that
will never admit their own helplessness, they will never show you any
appreciation for what you do. You don't want that.

Again, I HAVE NO ROMANTIC INTEREST HERE. What makes you think I'm
single? What makes you think she's single? What make s you think I
like woman? What makes you think she likes men? What makes you think
I'm looking for a relationship? I'm afraid you're projecting your own
insecurities and failures onto the wrong canvas, I'm just helping a
friend get a bike fer chrystsakes.

Quoted message said:

Been there, done that, and didn't even get a tee shirt. Listen to the
voice of experience.

I am. The ones with relevant experience, which appears to be everyone
but you in this thread.

Quoted message said:

Sorry, Rob, but the young guys need advice from us old farts who have
been around the block a few times, and I don't mean ONLY on a bike!

Because our modern society is extremely matriarchal and misanthropic,
young men tend to get brainwashed by the womens' lib political
correctness and live out their lives being directed by it, rather than
"marching to the beat of their own drummer" instead, and in doing so,
discovering themselves.

In addition, as we all know there is a lot of family and peer-group
pressure on young men to get into a relationship with a woman. But
the divorce rate is HUGE, and all of the married men I know are
extremely unhappy and depressed (if you can get them to drop the
"happily married" facade and really be honest) because women just
don't seem to be able to stop themselves from being domineering. All
their new power has totally gone to their heads; they delude
themselves into thinking that they can do anything a man can do, even
though they can't; and since they've tricked themselves into thinking
that a man's skills are easy, they will never give a man the respect
he deserves for using his skills. If men start realizing that they
are NOT going to make themselves happy by marrying or shacking up,
then they will start thinking more about how to be happily single.

I didn't make any unwarranted assumptions. As I said, I've been there
and done that, several times over, and I KNOW whereof I speak. If you
think I have a big agenda, then you are simply refusing to face
reality. Have a nice day.

You are hysterically arrogant and simultaneously off base. You made
nothing but unwarranted ASSumptions, you poor miserable old fool.

Quoted message said:

A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking. I'm excited about this, since it'll give me anther partner in
my favorite sport and give us a chance to hang out more often. She
has never had a "real" bike before, but her primary recollection of
any problems from cycling in the past has always been soreness from
the saddle.

I managed to find her a legit entry-level bike used for real short
money. Reading the reviews, the #1 complaint seems to be the saddle.
I don't want to recommend saddles I like, because, well, I'm not a
female.

So, any suggestions? Brooks and the like are out, this entire project
is on a super tight budget. Still, I have a feeling she'll be saddle
shopping within a couple weeks, so if I can have a little knowledge
for when she starts asking that'd be grand.

Thanks,

Dan

I swapped out a few saddles before finding one my wife was comfortable
with, it turned out to be a WTB, so I put them on both of her bikes
(road/MTB) and she's been a happy camper since. I have tried WTB saddles
myself and didn't like them much. They have a noticeable "sag" in the
middle, and I've found I much prefer saddles that are flat, front to back.

I also swapped saddles with my sister. She had a Selle Italia "Trimatic"
that she detested, I had a Brooks B17 that I didn't get along with at
all. After the swap (day after, I think), I rode a 250 mile brevet on
hers and it's been my favorite saddle since. She loves the Brooks.

Two data points, FWIW.

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A lady friend of mine has recently taken an interest in mountain
biking....

When I saw the phrase "beginner female", my first thought was a person
who recently had a gender change operation.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I just get so f'ing SICK of women and their constant litany about how
they need special equipment, special bikes, special clothes, etc. in
order to engage in cycling! Why are women cyclists so dumb that they
don't even realize that they are being taken advantage of by the
cycling companies that pander to them? God, they are SO DUMB!
Anybody who claims to have a special cycling product "FOR WOMEN" can
sell a million of them to those insecure, unaware women who think that
buying such products will actually benefit them and make them a decent
cyclist.

If the woman's ass is so soft that her present saddle hurts, she just
needs to lose weight and get in better shape. Her butt will harden up
in time. But I'll bet she won't do this, because she sounds like a
typical woman sniveler.