saddle and gloves

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I have just purchased a new gel type saddle after 3 months of riding my new bike on a blokes
saddle (ouch) and I am finding this one much more comfortable. No doubt I will get shouted at
as I know many people don't recommend them due to trapping nerves etc, but I cycle a very
short distance everyday and didn't fancy swapping my uncomfy saddle for one that looked
virtually the same.

That said, the gel saddle is forcing me to lean forward more then I usually do and I am putting
more pressure on my hands and specifically the fleshy bit at the bottom of my thumbs. I have seen
padded gloves with pads in this area, do people recommend these, is there a particular brand I
should be after and why - or is the story so far making people shout at the computer as I should
obviously not be using this saddle.

Advice please, bear in mind I am a newbie and learning fast so be gentle!

Jay

Have you tried altering the angle of the new saddle .. lift the nose up a tad maybe.

I found padded gloves to be as much a pain as the problem they tried to solve .. the pads always
seem just a smidgeon smaller, or not quite in the right place for me .. 😉

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Jay said:

I have just purchased a new gel type saddle after 3 months of riding my new bike on a blokes
saddle (ouch) and I am finding this one much more comfortable. No doubt I will get shouted at
as I know many people don't recommend them due to trapping nerves etc, but I cycle a very
short distance everyday and didn't fancy swapping my uncomfy saddle for one that looked
virtually the same.

That said, the gel saddle is forcing me to lean forward more then I usually do and I am putting
more pressure on my hands and specifically the fleshy bit at the bottom of my thumbs. I have seen
padded gloves with pads in this area, do people recommend these, is there a particular brand I
should be after and why - or is the story so far making people shout at the computer as I should
obviously not be using this saddle.

Advice please, bear in mind I am a newbie and learning fast so be gentle!

You should definitely try fiddling with your bike's set-up to get comfortable; loads of introductory
books on cycling (and things like Haynes Bike Book) cover how to set up your position.

If you decide you still want mitts, I've tried loads and love Trek's gel padded ones. I've tried
these on very long day rides and tours and they're by far the best I've tried.

Ian

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Quoted message said:

Have you tried altering the angle of the new saddle .. lift the nose up a tad maybe.

I found padded gloves to be as much a pain as the problem they tried to solve .. the pads always
seem just a smidgeon smaller, or not quite in the right place for me .. 😉

Hi Paul - the saddle fits to the post via a 'thingy' on the post which clips round two bars attached
to the bottom of the saddle, I have no idea if this is standard or not, there doesn't seem to be a
way of tilting it, unless I have missed it completely, I was changing the saddle in twilight and
have not had chance to look in daylight yet....

Jay

In a brief moment of lucidity Jay scribbled:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Have you tried altering the angle of the new saddle .. lift the nose up a tad maybe.

I found padded gloves to be as much a pain as the problem they tried to solve .. the pads always
seem just a smidgeon smaller, or not quite in the right place for me .. 😉

Hi Paul - the saddle fits to the post via a 'thingy' on the post which clips round two bars
attached to the bottom of the saddle, I have no idea if this is standard or not, there doesn't
seem to be a way of tilting it, unless I have missed it completely, I was changing the saddle in
twilight and have not had chance to look in daylight yet....

Jay

Heheheh, nice to see a real technical description .. 😉

Heheheh .. most, if not all, saddles have a method of both sliding the saddle fore and aft, and
raising and lowering the nose. I reckon you just need to look under the saddle for the allen key or
bolt to slacken, move the saddle, and tighten the thing again .. ) There may also be an adjuster
allen key on the seat post .. 😉

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Hi Paul - the saddle fits to the post via a 'thingy' on the post which

clips

Quoted message said:

round two bars attached to the bottom of the saddle, I have no idea if

this

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is standard or not, there doesn't seem to be a way of tilting it, unless I have missed it
completely, I was changing the saddle in twilight and have not had chance to look in
daylight yet....

There should be a nut or allen screw on the 'thingy'. Loosen this a bit and you should be able to
move the saddle nose up & down and the saddle back & forward.

Loosen it a bit too much and you will be scrabbling on the floor for the various bits.

T

Jay said:

..........I am putting more pressure on my hands and specifically the fleshy bit at the bottom of
my thumbs. I have seen padded gloves with pads in this area, do people recommend these, is there a
particular brand I should be after and why

Ozzo gel mitts have more padding than most.
- from mwdyason.ltd.ukmwdyason.ltd.ukOpen ↗ (sized a bit large). Can be worn over thin glover liners
and/or under other gloves as well.

But I agree that it's well worth trying all the various saddle adjustments first. ...Then of course
there's the handlebar adjustments :-)

~PB

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That said, the gel saddle is forcing me to lean forward more then I usually do and I am putting
more pressure on my hands and specifically the fleshy bit at the bottom of my thumbs. I have seen
padded gloves with pads in this area, do people recommend these, is there a particular brand I
should be after and why

I use mitts most o the time (unless I'm wearing full gloves). I find it more comfortable for my
hands and if you have a little tumble it gives the hands some protection.

As for brands, well I find that whenever I go to buy a new pair they've changed and I have to hunt
for another type. I don't like thick padding but do like it in the right places. Gel is fine as long
as not to thick. thin foam padding in cheap gloves is a waste of time. I prefer neoprene padding if
I can find gloves using that.
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Ozzo gel mitts have more padding than most.
- from mwdyason.ltd.ukmwdyason.ltd.ukOpen ↗ (sized a bit large). Can be worn over thin glover liners
and/or under other gloves as well.

They look good. I like the description "terry towelling to act as a sweat wipe". Is it only me who
only ever uses those bits for wiping a runny nose then? :o\

Have fun!

Graeme

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Will go home, find tools and allen keys and examine 'thingy'!

Jay

Locate "thingy" and allen key to fit then go out for a trundle. Ride for a reasonjable distance
then adjust saddle position - insert allen key into "thingy" etc - then ride some more.

If you can't find the "thingy", you should search for the "what-d'ya-ma-call-it".

James

Went home examined 'thingy', decided you definitely couldn't change the angle and the only action
was to turn seat post around, took 'thingy' apart to discover 'thingy' was resting on a curved base
and I could move 'thingy' along curved base to alter the angle of the saddle! aha I thought, then
spent 2 hours cycling up and down the road, allen key in hand, getting the angle comfy, not easy to
do in the dark!

Cycling in this morning felt like sitting on my sofa!

thanks for all the help

Jay

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Went home examined 'thingy', decided you definitely couldn't change the angle and the only action
was to turn seat post around, took 'thingy'

apart

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to discover 'thingy' was resting on a curved base and I could move

'thingy'

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along curved base to alter the angle of the saddle! aha I thought, then spent 2 hours cycling up
and down the road, allen key in hand, getting the angle comfy, not easy to do in the dark!

Cycling in this morning felt like sitting on my sofa!

thanks for all the help

When you get home this evening tighten thingy up a bit more. I've always found that it needs to be
fairly tight (about half a tame gorilla) otherwise it moves and the saddle gets all uncomfy again.

Congratulations on your mechanical prowess.

T

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Ozzo gel mitts have more padding than most.
- from mwdyason.ltd.ukmwdyason.ltd.ukOpen ↗ (sized a bit large). Can be worn over thin glover liners
and/or under other gloves as well.

They look good. I like the description "terry towelling to act as a sweat wipe". Is it only me who
only ever uses those bits for wiping a runny nose then? :o\

No, it certainly isn't only you. My right glove is disgusting.
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They look good. I like the description "terry towelling to act as a sweat wipe". Is it only me who
only ever uses those bits for wiping a runny nose then? :o\

Terry towelling on a mitt cannot cope with the productivity of a cyclist's nose. You need to
practise expelling the surplus onto the road or, even better, onto the door handle of a car parked
in a cycle lane.

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Dave...

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That said, the gel saddle is forcing me to lean forward more then I usually do and I am putting
more pressure on my hands and specifically the fleshy bit at the bottom of my thumbs. I have seen
padded gloves with pads in this area, do people recommend these, is there a particular brand I
should be after and why - or is the story so far making people shout at the computer as I should
obviously not be using this saddle.

I assume you are using drop handlebars.

Some practical advice:

saddle angle - the top of the saddle should be horizontal. It is certainly not a good idea to tilt
it nose-upwards.

handlebar height - your hands should be roughly the same height as the nose of the saddle (after
you've got that right, for your leg length), or possibly up to 1 inch lower. If you are getting a
lot of weight on your hands, it might well be because the handlebars are too low: try raising them.
(This is easy with a traditional stem, but usually impossible if you have a more fashionable
'threadless headset'. If you have the later, consider replacing your stem with an 'adjustable angle'
type, to get the necessary height for your hands.)

Handlebar angle (drops) - Remember to ride with hands around the brake-lever hoods most of the time.
Unfortunately, some new bikes come with the bars incorrectly rotated forward 15 degrees or so,
making the

the bike shop, and some people (incorrectly) believe that you ride drops with the hands on the lower
parts, but you should ride with hands around the brake-lever hoods most of the time for comfort.
Forward sloping bars will make your hands very uncomfortable, in the way you describe. The top of
the dropped handlebars should be horizontal, leaving the lower parts pointing DOWN towards the rear
axle (ie. a downward slope to the rear of about 30 degrees.)

Let us know how you get on. I'm sure the saddle itself is not to blame.

David Green Cambridge, UK

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They look good. I like the description "terry towelling to act as a sweat wipe". Is it only me
who only ever uses those bits for wiping a runny nose then? :o\

Terry towelling on a mitt cannot cope with the productivity of a cyclist's nose. You need to
practise expelling the surplus onto the road or, even better, onto the door handle of a car parked
in a cycle lane.

I had to wait for a train once an bought a copy of the sepo mag 'Bicycling'. It had and article on
how to do that.

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David Green said:

Some practical advice:

saddle angle - the top of the saddle should be horizontal.

handlebar height - your hands should be roughly the same height as the nose of the saddle

Quoted message said:

Handlebar angle (drops) - Remember to ride with hands around the brake-lever hoods most of
the time.

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The top of the dropped handlebars should be horizontal

I don't like all these "shoulds". Some practical advice for beginners from me: Setup and ride your
bike however YOU like, trying various different bar, lever and saddle positions to get more
comfortable (making very small alterations at a time).

~PB

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I had to wait for a train once an bought a copy of the sepo mag 'Bicycling'. It had and article on
how to do that.

One of my clubmates clears her nose spectacularly at 3 mile intervals more or less. I try to avoid
getting on her wheel. :-)

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Pete Biggs said:

I don't like all these "shoulds". Some practical advice for beginners from me: Setup and ride your
bike however YOU like, trying various different bar, lever and saddle positions to get more
comfortable (making very small alterations at a time).

Nevertheless, Pete, by obeying David's "shoulds" I did come up with the most comfortable hand
position for hood, top and drop riding.

OK, I didn't actually obey David's rules; I found them out for myself. I also fiddled around with
the positions of the levers on the bars at the same time. Having no tape on the bars at the time
naturally helped.

James

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Jay said:

Went home examined 'thingy', decided you definitely couldn't change the angle and the only action
was to turn seat post around, took 'thingy' apart to discover 'thingy' was resting on a curved base
and I could move 'thingy' along curved base to alter the angle of the saddle! aha I thought, then
spent 2 hours cycling up and down the road, allen key in hand, getting the angle comfy, not easy to
do in the dark!

Cycling in this morning felt like sitting on my sofa!

Jay

Congrats with your use of the thingy. One point I forgot to mention is that, in general, if you move
the saddle forwards, you'll have to increase the saddle's height a little (assuming you want to keep
the same effective saddle height). It's easier than DIY femur-adjustment surgery, IMO.

James

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Quoted message said:

I assume you are using drop handlebars.

Some practical advice:

saddle angle - the top of the saddle should be horizontal. It is certainly not a good idea to tilt
it nose-upwards.

handlebar height - your hands should be roughly the same height as the nose of the saddle (after
you've got that right, for your leg length), or possibly up to 1 inch lower. If you are getting a
lot of weight on your hands, it might well be because the handlebars are too low: try raising
them. (This is easy with a traditional stem, but usually impossible if you have a more fashionable
'threadless headset'. If you have the later, consider replacing your stem with an 'adjustable
angle' type, to get the necessary height for your hands.)

Handlebar angle (drops) - Remember to ride with hands around the brake-lever hoods most of the
time. Unfortunately, some new bikes come with the bars incorrectly rotated forward 15 degrees or
so, making the

Quoted message said:

the bike shop, and some people (incorrectly) believe that you ride drops with the hands on the
lower parts, but you should ride with hands around the brake-lever hoods most of the time for
comfort. Forward sloping bars will make your hands very uncomfortable, in the way you describe.
The top of the dropped handlebars should be horizontal, leaving the lower parts pointing DOWN
towards the rear axle (ie. a downward slope to the rear of about 30 degrees.)

Thanks David - actually I am on straight handle bars, but the seat was angled so steeply that I was
steering and holding myself on the bike with my hands. I spent one journey constantly slipping off
the seat, but now it seems fine. I spent about 2 hours cycling up and down the road getting the
saddle right and actually not the bars are about the same height, maybe a little higher but since I
am sure this is going to be quiet an ongoing process I might try it for a while and see how I get
on, fortunately I don't cycle far to work so it I try a setting that doesn't suit me I can always
put up with it until I get home which is mostly downhill anyway!

cheers for the advice

Jay