Running with a backpack??

KR said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

KR

I'd ask this on a running newsgroup. How heavy is your pack going to be,
and are you going to have it cinched tight against you or bobbing up and
down? I think you're right to be concerned about joint stress when doing
this regularly. Also, blisters could be an issue. Might be better just
to get your bike repaired.

Ari

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I did it for years. No problem.
You learn to stage things you you arent carrying everything
each trip. Helps a lot to if work has showers and friges.

One job I had was so formal I got a reprimand for
wearing sports clothes on the premise. Had operate
through a nearby gym then. Ironic because the company's
propaganda machine was always harping about "wellness".

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KR said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

KR

Get a round the waist pack and use it. The shoulder packs really screw
up your stride and can lead to problems.

I've even used a vest with a flat pack area in the back and compression
straps. The less sway in the pack the better.

--
Keith

KR,
I saw a guy on Letterman last night that used a running stroller to
hold his stuff while he ran across the whole country like Forrest Gump.
I would guess that these may cost a little bit but it would exactly
serve the purpose you are looking for. I have run with a back pack on
and it was not much fun. I would keep sets of clothes and food at work
before I would want to do this.

James

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer will
be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot, you might
be OK. Most likely it will change the way you run and that's probably not a
good thing for most people although if you're trying to take the vertical
motion out of your running, it could be a help in accomplishing that.
Keith's suggestion to get something that lies on your waist also sounds good
to me - I've done that for carrying water while running and liked it much
better than a Camelbak or similar.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot, you
might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that do
that, but, I didn't think people could.

I am SO innocent and naive 🙁

David

David Cohen said:

Forgive me for my ignorance

After reading your stupid, uninformed reply, you cannot be forgiven.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Steve Freides said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

3 miles twice a day?

Maybe just do it MWF, or MF? Bike the other days....

The Bill Rodgers said:

David Cohen said:

Forgive me for my ignorance

After reading your stupid, uninformed reply, you cannot be forgiven.

And your personal expertise in providing unforgiveably stupid and
uninformed replies is well recognized.

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Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot,
you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yes. Some folks believe that learning to do this is important to proper
running form. It certainly makes sense if you think about it - you're
trying to go forward, and any energy that goes into moving your body up and
down is wasted. I found trying to improve my running in this regard really
tough and didn't make much progress at it but I think it's a worthwhile
experiment. If one were to ask about this on rec.running, Ozzie Gontang
might chime in - he's written on the subject, and he and I discussed it on
r.r at some length a few years ago if memory serves.

BTW, if you want to watch yourself change your running form, take off your
shoes and run on the street for a bit - it will rapidly teach you how not to
land heavily and you'll bounce less. Whether or not this exercise has any
value for someone trying to run faster in shoes is another debate I won't
get into now but it is interesting to try and I usually do it once or twice
a year because I think it teaches something valuable, if not in making my 5k
times faster, then in body awareness of a more general sort.

Quoted message said:

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that do
that, but, I didn't think people could.

I don't think anyone can be perfect about it, but there are people who can
run with a backpack and, for all intents and purposes, they don't bounce.

Quoted message said:

I am SO innocent and naive 🙁

Now _that_ is a bit tough to accept. 🙂

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

David

JMW said:

And your personal expertise in providing unforgiveably stupid and
uninformed replies is well recognized.

So said the chimp...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

David Cohen said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
started it ages ago!

Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...

It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot, you
might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yep. some of the all time best marathoners have only the slightest up
and down movement. It's almost like a high speed shuffle. Tests in the
lab show that they're not nearly as metabolically efficient as other
lesser runners, but their stride pattern gives them such an energy
advantage that they win against more metabolically efficient and younger
runners.

Quoted message said:

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that do
that, but, I didn't think people could.

I am SO innocent and naive 🙁

David

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hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

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Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote
>I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
> off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
> started it ages ago!
>
> Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
> and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
> with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
> with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
> stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...
>
> It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
> to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot,
you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yes. Some folks believe that learning to do this is important to proper
running form. It certainly makes sense if you think about it - you're
trying to go forward, and any energy that goes into moving your body up and
down is wasted. I found trying to improve my running in this regard really
tough and didn't make much progress at it but I think it's a worthwhile
experiment. If one were to ask about this on rec.running, Ozzie Gontang
might chime in - he's written on the subject, and he and I discussed it on
r.r at some length a few years ago if memory serves.

BTW, if you want to watch yourself change your running form, take off your
shoes and run on the street for a bit - it will rapidly teach you how not to
land heavily and you'll bounce less. Whether or not this exercise has any
value for someone trying to run faster in shoes is another debate I won't
get into now but it is interesting to try and I usually do it once or twice
a year because I think it teaches something valuable, if not in making my 5k
times faster, then in body awareness of a more general sort.

Quoted message said:

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that do
that, but, I didn't think people could.

I don't think anyone can be perfect about it, but there are people who can
run with a backpack and, for all intents and purposes, they don't bounce.

Biomechanically that is pretty much impossible. You've got two legs and by
definition of running they aren't on the ground at the same time. And
you've got gravity here on earth.

--
Keith

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

>"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
>>I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
>>off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
>>started it ages ago!
>>
>>Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
>>and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
>>with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
>>with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
>>stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...
>>
>>It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
>>to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...
>
>I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
>will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot,
>you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yes. Some folks believe that learning to do this is important to proper
running form. It certainly makes sense if you think about it - you're
trying to go forward, and any energy that goes into moving your body up and
down is wasted. I found trying to improve my running in this regard really
tough and didn't make much progress at it but I think it's a worthwhile
experiment. If one were to ask about this on rec.running, Ozzie Gontang
might chime in - he's written on the subject, and he and I discussed it on
r.r at some length a few years ago if memory serves.

BTW, if you want to watch yourself change your running form, take off your
shoes and run on the street for a bit - it will rapidly teach you how not to
land heavily and you'll bounce less. Whether or not this exercise has any
value for someone trying to run faster in shoes is another debate I won't
get into now but it is interesting to try and I usually do it once or twice
a year because I think it teaches something valuable, if not in making my 5k
times faster, then in body awareness of a more general sort.

Quoted message said:

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that do
that, but, I didn't think people could.

I don't think anyone can be perfect about it, but there are people who can
run with a backpack and, for all intents and purposes, they don't bounce.

Biomechanically that is pretty much impossible. You've got two legs and by
definition of running they aren't on the ground at the same time.

Otherwise you get race walking. Have you seen these guys at the
Olympics? 5 minute miles WALKING!

Quoted message said:

And
you've got gravity here on earth.

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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Steve Freides said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote
>I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
> off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
> started it ages ago!
>
> Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
> and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
> with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
> with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
> stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...
>
> It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55 minutes
> to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot,
you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but, there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yes. Some folks believe that learning to do this is important to proper
running form. It certainly makes sense if you think about it - you're
trying to go forward, and any energy that goes into moving your body up and
down is wasted. I found trying to improve my running in this regard really
tough and didn't make much progress at it but I think it's a worthwhile
experiment. If one were to ask about this on rec.running, Ozzie Gontang
might chime in - he's written on the subject, and he and I discussed it on
r.r at some length a few years ago if memory serves.

Basically you're gliding if you do it right. It is hard to do
outdoors because it is a little hard to tell when you are moving up
and down. I find it EASY to do on the treadmill at the gym because of
the mirror and the constant feedback. I can pick something behind me,
just above my head, and make sure I'm not moving up and down. It
definitely requires a midfoot landing, at least for me.

If I do it right it makes my stride look sissified.

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"Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Steve Freides said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "KR" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is falling
>> off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
>> started it ages ago!
>>
>> Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running to
>> and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
>> with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to run
>> with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
>> stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...
>>
>> It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55
>> minutes
>> to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...
>
> I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the answer
> will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't bounce a lot,
> you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but,
there
are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently smooth to
avoid problems with a backpack?

Yes. Some folks believe that learning to do this is important to proper
running form. It certainly makes sense if you think about it - you're
trying to go forward, and any energy that goes into moving your body up
and
down is wasted. I found trying to improve my running in this regard
really
tough and didn't make much progress at it but I think it's a worthwhile
experiment. If one were to ask about this on rec.running, Ozzie Gontang
might chime in - he's written on the subject, and he and I discussed it on
r.r at some length a few years ago if memory serves.

Basically you're gliding if you do it right. It is hard to do
outdoors because it is a little hard to tell when you are moving up
and down. I find it EASY to do on the treadmill at the gym because of
the mirror and the constant feedback. I can pick something behind me,
just above my head, and make sure I'm not moving up and down. It
definitely requires a midfoot landing, at least for me.

If I do it right it makes my stride look sissified.

Really? I mean, you actually have to TRY for that effect?

🙂~

David

David Cohen said:

Quoted message said:

If I do it right it makes my stride look sissified.

Really? I mean, you actually have to TRY for that effect?

🙂~

David

You want a piece of me?? Name the time and place bub, just name it.
i won't be there but that should not stop you from naming it and we
can go from there.

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"Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Quoted message said:

If I do it right it makes my stride look sissified.

Really? I mean, you actually have to TRY for that effect?

🙂~

David

Quoted message said:

You want a piece of me?? Name the time and place bub, just name it.
i won't be there but that should not stop you from naming it and we
can go from there.

Ah, damn, now I'm gonna' go crazy trying to remember what TV show it was,
where two guys get into it, in a bar, I think, and one says, "you wanna'
take this outside?" and the other one says. "yeah", and they walk to the
door together, and the second guy goes out, and the first guy closes and
locks the door.

Drew Carey, maybe?

David

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David Cohen said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

>I started running about 1.5 months ago. So far the weight is
>falling
>off as a result, had I known it would have this effect I would've
>started it ages ago!
>
>Now gas has risen in price to a crazy high, I was debating running
>to
>and from work. I do have to bring my lunch and a change of clothes
>with me though, is it dangerous on any joints or uncomfortable to
>run
>with a bookbag on my back? The pack won't be too heavy, just enough
>stuff to get a shower, changed and eat...
>
>It takes me 15 minutes to bike (my bike is broke right now), 55
>minutes
>to walk, so I figure about 35 minute run to work...

I second the motion to ask on news:rec.running, but I think the
answer will be: it depends on your running style. If you don't
bounce a lot, you might be OK.

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I am a NON-runner, capital NON, but,
there are people who run without bouncing up and down? Sufficiently
smooth to avoid problems with a backpack?

Yep. some of the all time best marathoners have only the slightest up
and down movement. It's almost like a high speed shuffle. Tests in the
lab show that they're not nearly as metabolically efficient as other
lesser runners, but their stride pattern gives them such an energy
advantage that they win against more metabolically efficient and
younger runners.

Sounds right to me. Regarding what Keith said, I don't think it's
impossible to run without a bounce; it's just a skill and, like so many
skills, it comes easily/naturally to some while others find it next to
impossible and people span the spectrum between those two extremes.

Speaking personally, I've made a lot of changes to the way I run over
the years but this is one I don't think I'll be making - it's too
different from the way I run now and running just isn't that important
to me any more. But it is worth exploring this issue for anyone who
runs, even if you decide to put it aside later, in my not-so-humble
opinion.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wow. There are certain breeds of horses, and individual horses, that
do that, but, I didn't think people could.

I am SO innocent and naive 🙁

David

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a
bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a
marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/