Running/jogging with dog

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:06:59 -0500, "Melody of the Forest"

papillonmelody at yahoo dot com said:

So, two questions, I guess:
First, I have wierd feet (high arches, bunions), but I'm young and light of
build and have been known to throw a 40lb bag of dog food over my shoulder
on a daily basis. What is the best way for both of us to work up to a
jog/run of a couple miles every day or two?

Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer when the
trails are better.

Thanks for any help you can give me!

-Reta and Hero the boxer mix

Put the stinkin' fleabag down. Dogs suck.

Ask your vet.

"Melody of the Forest" <papillonmelody at yahoo dot com> wrote in
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Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer
when the trails are better.

Melody: First thing you should do is go to your pet store and get a halter-
type collar for the dog. Not one of the body collars, but the kind often
referred to as a 'haltie' They sort of wrap around the dog's snout and
connect to the leash under their neck, instead of on top. As a result, it
creates different pressure points if the dog tries to pull on the leash --
and pretty much eliminates such pulling and the need for a ton of training
for running.

I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls terribly on
a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it was almost like
having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more enjoyable for both of
you.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:06:59 -0500, "Melody of the Forest"

papillonmelody at yahoo dot com said:

About 2 months ago I adopted an adorable 45lb boxer mix female, Hero, and
it's been a small struggle to keep her happy through enough exercise. Being
as it's winter, though not harsh here in north-central West Virginia, it is
somewhat difficult to find an acitvity we can enjoy together. Recently I
have been taking her to a nearby subdivision (we live on an actively used
road with no shoulders) to walk, and I've been trying to incorporate some
jogging in the routine because Hero seems to be able to walk forever without
tiring, but if she trots she expends more energy.

So, two questions, I guess:
First, I have wierd feet (high arches, bunions), but I'm young and light of
build and have been known to throw a 40lb bag of dog food over my shoulder
on a daily basis.

If that dog is eating forty pounds of food a day you're in trouble.

What is the best way for both of us to work up to a

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jog/run of a couple miles every day or two?

Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer when the
trails are better.

Thanks for any help you can give me!

-Reta and Hero the boxer mix

I run with my sixty pound standard poodle almost every day and have
been doing so for years. some comments:

1. I don't run with her leashed, I run on trails and it would be too
dangerous leashed. She more or less stays with me, especially when
she gets tired. We do about 24 miles a week.

2. I carry a lightweight leash with a snap shackle in case I meet
someone on the trail I don't know (or she doesn't know) so I can reach
down and hook her up. Fortunately most of the runners who use the
trail know her and like her and don't mind her being off leash. Also
use this leash to cross a couple of streets on the trail.

3. You need to get some good shoes for yourself. From your
description of your feet you probably need a cushion shoe with a good
spacious toe box, but if you have a running shoe store close stop in
and let them evaluate you.

4.I bring a jug of water (leave it in the truck for after the run)
for the dog in the summer time and I have to cut down her mileage
during the hottest part of the summer. Some days I don't take her if
the creeks have dried up and she can't get cooled down.

5. The only times I have taken spills on the run is when she got
behind me and I looked back and tripped over roots. Has happened three
times in about ten years, but very painful. Don't let handling the
dog distract you from watching what you are doing.

5. For non running exercise, she loves to go after balls and frisbees.
But the run is what she lives for.

Good luck

Frank

Melody of the Forest said:

Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer when the
trails are better.

This article might be helpful http://tinyurl.com/86ycx

--
Phil M

HOWEDY janet,

Janet B said:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:44:40 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>,

clicked their heels and said:

I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls terribly on
a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it was almost like
having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more enjoyable for both of
you.

Or - you could TRAIN your dog and not risk neck injury by using one of
those *^&*( head collars! Enjoyable? Most dogs hate them.

But they LOVE THIS:

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss

"J1Boss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss

"sionnach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"J1Boss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't imagine needing anything higher
than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

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I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Additionally you coulda gave some SUGGESTIONS abHOWET
physically conditioning the dog, like observing his respiration
rate when he starts huffin an puffin, walk the dog till his breath
gets back to normal and resume jogging till you observe him
"puffing" again and noting the distances he can comfortably
go till it's gradually increased to the desired distances and
DON'T FORGET that when he BURNS HOWET you still gotta
make it back to your HOWES, so PLAN on THAT as well <{) ; ~ ) >

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--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album

Here's somemore of janet's valuable advice:

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What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
Lucy

one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B

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167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"

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I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to train"your
dogs especially as they are so small.

Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators at the end of
a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.

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141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm

I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.

So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).

But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B

HOWEDY janet,

Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:

Janet B said:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B

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Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I beat dogs, choke
dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks for your clarification.

responding to my own post, I had to go back and look at the original
post, to remind myself what "we" are all accused of doing:

"screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living [censored]
out of your dogs"

Scream? no

Choke? no

?

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Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort by a prong
collar, go ahead, but unless you have first hand experience with
one, your opinion means nothing

Beat the living [censored] out of? hardly - no hitting exists

BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain And
Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation Of Correction
To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him, Thus Making
The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future,"
grant teeboon, RAAF.

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?

"BethF" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message
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Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.

Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."

"BethF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

Sally Hennessey

"Sally Hennessey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Here's janet's PARTNER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

sinofabitch said:

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What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
took posts from two different people,
took pieces of them out of context,

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

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cobbled them together,

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

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then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

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and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

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Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

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The actual quote is misleading

That so?

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when taken out of context,

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

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and Jerry's faked "quote"

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

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is downright meaningless.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

Here's Jerry's version

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Here's yours:

"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?

"Marshall Dermer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Di,
I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
training. If you are interested in training retrieval
behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-
Mannered, Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog
in 10 Minutes a Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.

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just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
--Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really ard dogs
we have trained require much more frequent
and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.)
to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:

"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the [censored] he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.

BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like a
raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on
his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch
choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel
of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

EXXXCEPT WHEN IT IS

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

"Rocky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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When you compare using sound and
praise to solve a problem with using
shock collars, hanging, and punishment
how can you criticize the use of sound?

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There's nothing more to be said, then.
You've made up your mind.

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But you've impressed me by mentioning
that you're a professor with 30 years of
experience.

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So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
will often make the dog either aggressive
or a fear biter, neither of which we want
to do.

And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
No matter what Jerry Howe states.

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
which you have read so many. While you're going
through them, point out those which recommend
shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
--
-Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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Rocky wrote:
"Deltones" <[email hidden]> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
would be the point? Where I come from, choking
is choking. It's never limited.

So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
Thank you for your contribution.
-
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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From: Rocky <[email hidden]>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day

Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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One of the things that frustrates me the most about agility
is that people seem to think that ALL dogs are fragile,
shrinking flowers who cannot be corrected in any way.

Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take correction so
much to heart -- I'll try something different. Right now, he's
just getting the confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14

[email hidden] (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<[email hidden]>:

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By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
[censored] has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.

Why did you blow it?

--Matt

From: Rocky <[email hidden]>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????

Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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the only thing I remember learning from a spanking was to
run faster than my dad and NOT GET CAUGHT. so what does
that say?

I learned to put a comic book down the back of my pants. And
sometimes my parents pretended not to notice. In retrospect,
that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

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But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.

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Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.

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--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

<except when it is>

"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation."
Lynn K.
--------------------------------------

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:44:40 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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Melody: First thing you should do is go to your pet store and get a halter

Don't listen to Newsdud, he's a sicko pervert.

"Newsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Melody of the Forest" <papillonmelody at yahoo dot com> wrote in
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Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer
when the trails are better.

Melody: First thing you should do is go to your pet store and get a
halter-
type collar for the dog. Not one of the body collars, but the kind often
referred to as a 'haltie' They sort of wrap around the dog's snout and
connect to the leash under their neck, instead of on top. As a result, it
creates different pressure points if the dog tries to pull on the leash --
and pretty much eliminates such pulling and the need for a ton of training
for running.

I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls terribly
on
a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it was almost like
having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more enjoyable for both of
you.

Where in the OP's original post did she mention that she was having trouble
with her dog *pulling* or any such problem?

MaryBeth <have heard of a few problems with dogs getting hurt with the
'halties' type collars, pertaining to neck damage>

To the OP, I'd check into agility, probably starting with an obedience
class. This will give the dog and you time to learn to communicate. Learning
anything new will give the dog plenty of 'brain exercise'. Also, make the
bond stronger.
I don't have any experience myself, with either agility, (me being
physically unable to so this), or obedience. I've worked with my own three
dogs, (and past dogs), myself, and really enjoy it.
But if you want more, I'd suggest trying activities that are structured.
Many ppl here go for agility, obedience, hunting, tracking and more that
have gone right out of my head at the moment. <G>

Good luck,
MaryBeth

"Mary Beth" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where in the OP's original post did she mention that she was having
trouble with her dog *pulling* or any such problem?

Quite possibly it was the line where she asked about activities that didn't
require training. I've known a number of runners who wouldn't take their
dogs running 'until they were trained' who bought halties and had the same
experience I did.

By the way, my pet store recommended them, as did my veterinarian. So I
think your overblown, overwrought overreaction about neck injuries (unless
YOU plan to dangle your dog by its leash) are likely unfounded.

[email hidden] wrote in
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Quoted message said:

HOWEDY janet,

Janet B said:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:44:40 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>,

clicked their heels and said:

I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls
terribly on a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it
was almost like having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more
enjoyable for both of you.

Or - you could TRAIN your dog and not risk neck injury by using one
of those *^&*( head collars! Enjoyable? Most dogs hate them.

Bull. Mine goes bonkers if I even take the haltie down off the coat rack in
the back room. She knows what it means and she's never hesitated to let me
put it on her.

"Melody of the Forest" <papillonmelody at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

About 2 months ago I adopted an adorable 45lb boxer mix female, Hero, and
it's been a small struggle to keep her happy through enough exercise.
Being as it's winter, though not harsh here in north-central West
Virginia, it is somewhat difficult to find an acitvity we can enjoy
together. Recently I have been taking her to a nearby subdivision (we
live on an actively used road with no shoulders) to walk, and I've been
trying to incorporate some jogging in the routine because Hero seems to be
able to walk forever without tiring, but if she trots she expends more
energy.

So, two questions, I guess:
First, I have wierd feet (high arches, bunions), but I'm young and light
of build and have been known to throw a 40lb bag of dog food over my
shoulder on a daily basis. What is the best way for both of us to work up
to a jog/run of a couple miles every day or two?

Second, does anyone have any other ideas for exercise that I can start
without much dog training? I'll leave most of that for the summer when
the trails are better.

Well, every time you interact with your dog, your dog is learning something
so IMHO it might as well be good walking/running partner manners. Training
doesn't have to be a big deal.

I jog the local trails with my collies nearly every morning. My Lucy
collie was a second hand dog (got her at just under two years of age) and
didn't know much. She was puzzled by the whole jogging thing and learned a
few things by trial and error (cross too close in front of my path and you
will get bumped) and the other things by me calmly correcting and
repositioning her. For example, to get to the trails, we go down two roads,
one with a lot of traffic. In this situation, I did not want Lucy to swing
out to the end of her leash but stay close to the side of the road. This is
something I didn't want her to learn by trial & error (swing out and get hit
by a car). Every time she would try to swing out, even if there were no cars
and it was safe, I corrected her by saying whoops and brought her back into
position with the words "Get close." Whenever she self-corrected herself, I
praised her highly. The other words she knows are "Whoa" which can mean
slow down or stop depending on my tone (useful when I find myself on ice)
and "Let's go" which means walk briskly - it's other meaning is "no you
can't stop and pee here."

As far as equipment, I use plain buckle collars and 6 foot cotton leashes.
I have also used flexi leashes when I've had one dog (or had a visiting dog
with a lot of energy). Flexis are nice in that your dog has a more generous
range of movement. However if there are other people & dogs around, you
must shorten the flexi to a normal 6-4 foot length and pay attention to your
dog's actions. Do not let your dog invade other people's spaces and,
especially if your dog is on a flexi, do not let him go around people or
dogs - those flexi leash cords can give both dogs and people nasty rope
burns.

Oh and bring [censored] bags.

Chris and her snoozing smoothies,
Pablo & Lucy

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where in the OP's original post did she mention that she was having
trouble with her dog *pulling* or any such problem?

Quite possibly it was the line where she asked about activities that
didn't
require training. I've known a number of runners who wouldn't take their
dogs running 'until they were trained' who bought halties and had the same
experience I did.

By the way, my pet store recommended them, as did my veterinarian. So I
think your overblown, overwrought overreaction about neck injuries (unless
YOU plan to dangle your dog by its leash) are likely unfounded.

Ooooh, wow, a pet store recommendation! My pet store, vet, and trainer all
recommended them for Saskia. Her neck problem hadn't shown itself yet at
that time, but a while after starting with the Halti she started having
problems I am sure she'd have had to some degree anyway--yelping when
playing and so forth--and eventually she would yelp and cringe fairly often
if someone touched the back of her neck. After we discontinued the Halti use
and went back to the body harness, the symptoms retreated to where they are
now--if she plays too wildly with a big dog she will very occasionally yelp
and display 30 seconds of lameness in her left foreleg. We're talking about
once every 5 weeks or more now, for 30 seconds. When we were using the Halti
it was a few times a day, and sometimes just when she shifted position while
asleep. The orthopedists both agreed with me that in situations where Haltis
are used properly and there are no accidents, if there is already a neck
problem, diagnosed or not, it can be exacerbated by the use of the Halti.
That said, the short period we did use it completely cured her of
pulling--we've been back on the body harness for about 8 months now, after
three weeks of Halti use, and she almost never pulls and is easily corrected
with a slight tug and a "back" or a "with me" when she does, and she never
just pull steadily while walking. Good thing, too, in a 112-pound dog which
must be walked with one hand because I need the other hand for the stroller.
--Katrina

Newspud has spoken...

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:48:34 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Mary Beth" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:P2FBf.144516$WH.128399@dukeread01:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where in the OP's original post did she mention that she was having
trouble with her dog *pulling* or any such problem?

Quite possibly it was the line where she asked about activities that didn't
require training. I've known a number of runners who wouldn't take their
dogs running 'until they were trained' who bought halties and had the same
experience I did.

By the way, my pet store recommended them, as did my veterinarian. So I
think your overblown, overwrought overreaction about neck injuries (unless
YOU plan to dangle your dog by its leash) are likely unfounded.

HOWEDY Newsdude,

"Newsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

HOWEDY janet,

Janet B said:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:44:40 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>,
clicked their heels and said:

>
>I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls
>terribly on a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it
>was almost like having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more
>enjoyable for both of you.

Or - you could TRAIN your dog and not risk neck injury by using one
of those *^&*( head collars! Enjoyable? Most dogs hate them.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard wants you to appreciate that HE has NO
axe to grind upon you. You, like so many posters and readers here are
only an unwitting VICTIM of the professional trainers and veterinary
ethologist malpracticioners who've brought us the shock and pronged
spiked pinch choke and so called head collar devices and click / treat
bribery withholding approaches to animal molestation <{) : - ( >

Quoted message said:

Bull. Mine goes bonkers if I even take the haltie
down off the coat rack in the back room.

INDEEDY!

That's commonly called amongst HOWER DOG ABUSRS, the "happy dance".
Dogs do their HAPPY DANCE when they see or hear their shock and pronged
spiked pinch choke (and head) collars coming at them <{) :* - ( >

They're BEGGING not to be hurt intimidated and forced somemore <{) : ~
( >

Quoted message said:

She knows what it means

INDEEDY!

It MEANS she's gonna be SUBORDINATED and have her normal
natural innate instinctive behaviors REPRESSED again <{) ; ~ ) >

Quoted message said:

and she's never hesitated to let me put it on her.

INDEEDY. OtherWIZE she'd FEAR being HURT and INTIMDIATED.

The so called gentle leader was DESIGNED by a DOG ABUSER from
n.a.o.d.t (national association of obedience dog trainers) with the
assistance
of a veterinary ethologist Sadist

The PRINCIPLE is to force hurt and intimidate the dog into SUBMISSION.

The originator's intent behind the gentle leader / halti was to rip off
Dra.
Alice DeGroote's K-9 Kum-A-Long. Dra. DeGroote's Kum-A-Long WAS
NOT designed to force intimidate throw over and hang dogs. Therefore it
DID NOT MEET the stringent requirements of the Sadists at N.A.D.O.I.
to hurt and intimdiate defenseless dumb critters.

The INSTRUCTIONS for recalcitrant dogs using the G.L. are to put the
length of the lead under the foreleg and when the dog RESISTS force,
to gently but firmly THROW THE DOG ASS OVER BUCKET to
TEACH IT RESPECT <{) ; ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard had met Dra. DeGroote maybe twenty sumpthin
years ago and was WON of the first to purchase a few dozen of her head
halters.
The INTENT of the Kum-A-Long was NOT to rely on it for long term use,
but
to OVECOME a dog's FEAR of force and choke collar devices and after
REHABILITATION, to return to regular use of a flat collar or harness.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard talked to Dra. DeGroote again a couple months
ago with regards to a poster here abHOWETS (white monkey aka katrina)
who was a former employee at Dr. DeGroote's Canine Rehabilitation
Center.
We spoke for an HOWER and a half. She's APPALLED at the state of the
art of traditional dog training and the BASTARDIZATION of her GENTLE
LEADER device, the K-9 Kum-A-Long.

Dra. DeGroote is looking forward to serving when called upon as a
member of
Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic Research Laboratory team of EXXXPERT

WITNESSES to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE DISCREDIT and PROSECUTE
professional dog training abusers and university trained behaviorists
who hurt
intimidate and murder innocent defenseless dumb critters <{) ; ~ ) >

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.

2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
thou hast heard, with which the servants of
the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother
and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

Yours,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{YPW) ; ~ } >
oo-oo

NewsPud is an idiot, don't waste banwith with it.

Quoted message said:

HOWEDY Newsdude,

"Newsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

HOWEDY janet,

Janet B wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:44:40 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>,
> clicked their heels and said:
>
> >
> >I have an Aussie/Border Collie mix that loves to run, but pulls
> >terribly on a standard collar and leash. When I bought the haltie it
> >was almost like having a different dog instantly. It'll make it more
> >enjoyable for both of you.
>
> Or - you could TRAIN your dog and not risk neck injury by using one
> of those *^&*( head collars! Enjoyable? Most dogs hate them.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard wants you to appreciate that HE has NO
axe to grind upon you. You, like so many posters and readers here are
only an unwitting VICTIM of the professional trainers and veterinary
ethologist malpracticioners who've brought us the shock and pronged
spiked pinch choke and so called head collar devices and click / treat
bribery withholding approaches to animal molestation <{) : - ( >

Quoted message said:

Bull. Mine goes bonkers if I even take the haltie
down off the coat rack in the back room.

INDEEDY!

That's commonly called amongst HOWER DOG ABUSRS, the "happy dance".
Dogs do their HAPPY DANCE when they see or hear their shock and pronged
spiked pinch choke (and head) collars coming at them <{) :* - ( >

They're BEGGING not to be hurt intimidated and forced somemore <{) : ~
( >

Quoted message said:

She knows what it means

INDEEDY!

It MEANS she's gonna be SUBORDINATED and have her normal
natural innate instinctive behaviors REPRESSED again <{) ; ~ ) >

Quoted message said:

and she's never hesitated to let me put it on her.

INDEEDY. OtherWIZE she'd FEAR being HURT and INTIMDIATED.

The so called gentle leader was DESIGNED by a DOG ABUSER from
n.a.o.d.t (national association of obedience dog trainers) with the
assistance
of a veterinary ethologist Sadist

The PRINCIPLE is to force hurt and intimidate the dog into SUBMISSION.

The originator's intent behind the gentle leader / halti was to rip off
Dra.
Alice DeGroote's K-9 Kum-A-Long. Dra. DeGroote's Kum-A-Long WAS
NOT designed to force intimidate throw over and hang dogs. Therefore it
DID NOT MEET the stringent requirements of the Sadists at N.A.D.O.I.
to hurt and intimdiate defenseless dumb critters.

The INSTRUCTIONS for recalcitrant dogs using the G.L. are to put the
length of the lead under the foreleg and when the dog RESISTS force,
to gently but firmly THROW THE DOG ASS OVER BUCKET to
TEACH IT RESPECT <{) ; ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard had met Dra. DeGroote maybe twenty sumpthin
years ago and was WON of the first to purchase a few dozen of her head
halters.
The INTENT of the Kum-A-Long was NOT to rely on it for long term use,
but
to OVECOME a dog's FEAR of force and choke collar devices and after
REHABILITATION, to return to regular use of a flat collar or harness.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard talked to Dra. DeGroote again a couple months
ago with regards to a poster here abHOWETS (white monkey aka katrina)
who was a former employee at Dr. DeGroote's Canine Rehabilitation
Center.
We spoke for an HOWER and a half. She's APPALLED at the state of the
art of traditional dog training and the BASTARDIZATION of her GENTLE
LEADER device, the K-9 Kum-A-Long.

Dra. DeGroote is looking forward to serving when called upon as a
member of
Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic Research Laboratory team of EXXXPERT

WITNESSES to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE DISCREDIT and PROSECUTE
professional dog training abusers and university trained behaviorists
who hurt
intimidate and murder innocent defenseless dumb critters <{) ; ~ ) >

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.

2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
thou hast heard, with which the servants of
the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother
and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

Yours,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{YPW) ; ~ } >
oo-oo

Thanks for the Halti idea, but I already use it and love it!

Quoted message said:

To the OP, I'd check into agility, probably starting with an obedience
class.

Actually, I do plan on doing obedience and agility with her, but I need to
get thru a 6 week beginners obedience class starting in Feb before the
pre-agility class in April. I'm looking forward to bending her energy in
that direction...I just have to make it till then! Thanks for the response.

Reta

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:19:16 -0500, "Melody of the Forest"

papillonmelody at yahoo dot com said:

Actually, I do plan on doing obedience and agility

Well they might get you better under control, but your agility won't
be effected.

"chris jung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Well, every time you interact with your dog, your dog is learning
something so IMHO it might as well be good walking/running partner
manners. Training doesn't have to be a big deal.

Hero is actually very good on her Halti and short leash, to the point where
the few corrections I do give her are very mild, and she's self-correcting
when she realizes she's too far from me. My main goal was to find an
activity that I could do daily without having to drive far or load equipment
into my tiny car. I have learned that Hero can think through things more
than my little dog does, and she really does come away from every encounter
having learned something (weather that thing is good or bad!). Thanks for
your response.

Reta