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  1. Hello everyone,

    I live in the US and I am training for a marathon in the fall. I have a
    couple of questions about keeping myself energized during the run.

    The first advice I got was to drink water (keep hydrated) while running.
    Today while running, I stopped to take my first sip after 3.3 miles.
    It was not a sip, I drank a lot of water. After drinking lot of water,
    my speed slowed down considerably. How often do you have to drink water
    and how much, without effecting the running speed? How do the good
    runners do in this area?

    The second question I have is about goo (I don't know what they call
    this in the UK, it is kind of a power gel). In UK, there is something
    like Glucose-D (something like sugar). Is Glucose-D sugar or is it
    something more that sugar(in a good way)? Is this something that
    runners would consume during the run?

    Thank you for any information and advice you can give in this area.
    --
    SR
    [email hidden]
    Please remove SPAMBUSTER to reply via email.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Today while running, I stopped to take my first sip after 3.3 miles. It was not a sip, I drank a lot of water.>

    Your body absorbs about 8 ounces every 20 minutes, anymore than that is
    wasted. Unless it was VERY hot, you shouldn't need water that soon.

    Quoted message said:

    The second question I have is about goo (I don't know what they call


    this in the UK, it is kind of a power gel). In UK, there is something
    like Glucose-D (something like sugar). Is Glucose-D sugar or is it
    something more that sugar(in a good way)? Is this something that
    runners would consume during the run?>

    I have no idea. I eat right, and don't use/need that [censored].

  3. "Subba Rao" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I live in the US and I am training for a marathon in the fall. I have a
    couple of questions about keeping myself energized during the run.

    Truth be told, the best thing you can do to stay energized is to pace
    yourself well and not go too fast at first.

    After you've got a good pace plan worked out, then think about drinking
    strategy and sustenance. At marathon pace, most folks aren't comfortable
    consuming more than 200 calories per hour. This includes calories from
    energy drinks and goos or other foodstuffs.

    Quoted message said:

    The first advice I got was to drink water (keep hydrated) while running.
    Today while running, I stopped to take my first sip after 3.3 miles.
    It was not a sip, I drank a lot of water. After drinking lot of water,
    my speed slowed down considerably. How often do you have to drink water
    and how much, without effecting the running speed? How do the good
    runners do in this area?

    First you need to find out how much water you lose while running. When you
    get ready for a long run (say 2 hours), weigh yourself without clothes
    before the start, keep track of everything you drink or eat, and weigh
    yourself without your (possibly wet) clothes afterward.

    Take that difference and add the number of lbs of water you consumed. Each
    16oz (pint) of water weighs a pound.

    Figure our your sweat rate per hour, and use that as a reasonable guide to
    how much you should drink during your race. If you lose 24 oz / hour, try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Obviously, if it's hot and sunny you're going to sweat more than if it's
    cool and cloudy, so you might want to track how conditions affect you.

    You do not want to weigh more at the finish than at the start, that could
    indicate serious problems such as hyponatremia.

    I drink from 20 oz transparent running bottles during races, so I know how
    much I'm consuming.

    In addition, you are advised to take a Salt tablet like a Succeed salt
    capsule (look them up on the 'net) every hour and a half or so. (Note that
    E-caps have much less salt and are not recommended) You lose salt when you
    sweat, and it needs to be replaced, especially if you're going to be out
    there 3 hours or more (as almost everyone is).

    Finally, practice carrying water (I prefer the bottles so I can meter my
    intake, and I have single and double bottle packs) during runs, and learn
    how much you can drink without it bogging you down. I can handle 10 - 15
    ounces without feeling it, but everyone is different.

    Quoted message said:

    The second question I have is about goo (I don't know what they call
    this in the UK, it is kind of a power gel). In UK, there is something
    like Glucose-D (something like sugar). Is Glucose-D sugar or is it
    something more that sugar(in a good way)? Is this something that
    runners would consume during the run?

    The thing to do is practice and experiment with some of the many goo-like
    substances during your long runs. Just remember that eating too much will
    bog you down big-time. I'd see how 1 / hour works as a starting point.

    -- Dan

  4. Subba Rao said:

    In UK, there is something
    like Glucose-D (something like sugar). Is Glucose-D sugar or is it
    something more that sugar(in a good way)?

    To me, I don't see what the difference is between that
    and Tang or tangerine squashes. It is my understanding
    that it is "enriched" with vitamin D...

    erika

  5. Quoted message said:

    First you need to find out how much water you lose while running. When you


    get ready for a long run (say 2 hours), weigh yourself without clothes
    before the start, keep track of everything you drink or eat, and weigh
    yourself without your (possibly wet) clothes afterward.

    Take that difference and add the number of lbs of water you consumed.
    Each
    16oz (pint) of water weighs a pound.

    Figure our your sweat rate per hour, and use that as a reasonable guide
    to
    how much you should drink during your race. If you lose 24 oz / hour,
    try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.>

    See this is the "over-thinking" running I spoke of in another post.
    This is just stupid. Gee, do you weigh yourself before or after you
    [censored]? There's 4 or 5 lbs, then there's your clothing, and shoes,
    and...see what I mean? This idea is just idiotic. Hydrate with water
    and gatorade, and you should be fine.

  6. Quoted message said:

    To me, I don't see what the difference is between that


    and Tang or tangerine squashes. It is my understanding
    that it is "enriched" with vitamin D...>

    Your point is? There's plenty of alternatives. One sloth on here eats
    ICE CREAM after his WO, then wonders why he's going so slow and
    sweating so hard.

  7. Dan Stumpus said:

    "Subba Rao" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I live in the US and I am training for a marathon in the fall. I have a
    couple of questions about keeping myself energized during the run.

    Truth be told, the best thing you can do to stay energized is to pace
    yourself well and not go too fast at first.

    After you've got a good pace plan worked out, then think about drinking
    strategy and sustenance. At marathon pace, most folks aren't comfortable
    consuming more than 200 calories per hour. This includes calories from
    energy drinks and goos or other foodstuffs.

    Good advice. Listen to him.

    []

    Quoted message said:

    Figure our your sweat rate per hour, and use that as a reasonable guide to
    how much you should drink during your race. If you lose 24 oz / hour, try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Obviously, if it's hot and sunny you're going to sweat more than if it's
    cool and cloudy, so you might want to track how conditions affect you.

    I just have a minor quibble on this. Given that sweat is used to dump
    heat generated internally, I don't think there is much difference
    between a warm sunny day and a cool cloudy day. If you do find much
    difference, I'd be interested to hear it. But for me the difference is
    negligible.

    []

    Quoted message said:


    The thing to do is practice and experiment with some of the many goo-like
    substances during your long runs. Just remember that eating too much will
    bog you down big-time. I'd see how 1 / hour works as a starting point.

    -- Dan

    more good advice. Practice involves not just the feet. Learning how and
    what to drink and eat on the run is part of it too.

    Good luck with the training and the marathon run.
    Ed

  8. "george of the jungle" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ....If you lose 24 oz / hour, try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Quoted message said:

    See this is the "over-thinking" running I spoke of in another post.
    This is just stupid. Gee, do you weigh yourself before or after you
    [censored]? There's 4 or 5 lbs, then there's your clothing, and shoes,
    and...see what I mean? This idea is just idiotic. Hydrate with water
    and gatorade, and you should be fine.

    Well, I've competed in over 30 marathons, only three of them slower than 3
    hours, and got down to the 2:30's. I didn't get there by being haphazard in
    either preparation or execution.

    Some people naturally tend to hydrate properly, and many (especially more
    serious types) don't drink nearly enough.

    Good luck, Subba.

    -- Dan

  9. Quoted message said:

    Well, I've competed in over 30 1/2 marathons, only three of them slower than 3


    hours, and got down to the 2:30's. I didn't get there by being
    haphazard in
    either preparation or execution.>

    That's not very fast, and I've run 46, finished 46.

    Quoted message said:

    Some people naturally tend to hydrate properly, and many (especially more


    serious types) don't drink nearly enough.>

    And obviously this poster hasn't a clue, nor do you.

  10. Quoted message said:

    One sloth on here eats ICE CREAM after his WO, then wonders why he's going so slow and sweating so hard.>

    That punk Rebecchi? And his "It's hottttttttttttttttt, and I sweat a
    lot today" thread. What a [censored].

  11. Practice a few times in advance to get used to
    drinking and eating. else you may have the side
    effects you already notice.

  12. Dan Stumpus said:

    "Subba Rao" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I live in the US and I am training for a marathon in the fall. I have a
    couple of questions about keeping myself energized during the run.

    Truth be told, the best thing you can do to stay energized is to pace
    yourself well and not go too fast at first.

    After you've got a good pace plan worked out, then think about drinking
    strategy and sustenance. At marathon pace, most folks aren't comfortable
    consuming more than 200 calories per hour. This includes calories from
    energy drinks and goos or other foodstuffs.


    < SNIP >

    Dan,

    Thank you for this advice!

    Regards,

    Subba Rao

    --
    SR
    [email hidden]
    Please remove SPAMBUSTER to reply via email.

  13. "george of the jungle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    First you need to find out how much water you lose while running. When
    you


    get ready for a long run (say 2 hours), weigh yourself without clothes
    before the start, keep track of everything you drink or eat, and weigh
    yourself without your (possibly wet) clothes afterward.


    You should also use the bathroom before weighing yourself.

    Quoted message said:

    Take that difference and add the number of lbs of water you consumed.
    Each
    16oz (pint) of water weighs a pound.

    Figure our your sweat rate per hour, and use that as a reasonable guide
    to
    how much you should drink during your race. If you lose 24 oz / hour,
    try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.>

    See this is the "over-thinking" running I spoke of in another post.
    This is just stupid. Gee, do you weigh yourself before or after you
    [censored]? There's 4 or 5 lbs, then there's your clothing, and shoes,
    and...see what I mean? This idea is just idiotic. Hydrate with water
    and gatorade, and you should be fine.

  14. "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dan Stumpus said:

    "Subba Rao" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I live in the US and I am training for a marathon in the fall. I have
    a
    couple of questions about keeping myself energized during the run.

    Truth be told, the best thing you can do to stay energized is to pace
    yourself well and not go too fast at first.

    After you've got a good pace plan worked out, then think about drinking
    strategy and sustenance. At marathon pace, most folks aren't comfortable
    consuming more than 200 calories per hour. This includes calories from
    energy drinks and goos or other foodstuffs.

    Good advice. Listen to him.

    []

    Quoted message said:

    Figure our your sweat rate per hour, and use that as a reasonable guide
    to
    how much you should drink during your race. If you lose 24 oz / hour,
    try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Obviously, if it's hot and sunny you're going to sweat more than if it's
    cool and cloudy, so you might want to track how conditions affect you.

    I just have a minor quibble on this. Given that sweat is used to dump
    heat generated internally, I don't think there is much difference
    between a warm sunny day and a cool cloudy day. If you do find much
    difference, I'd be interested to hear it. But for me the difference is
    negligible.


    Everyone is different in this regard. I have a large variance in my
    sweat rates (over 5 years of data collection---not everyday). Warm to me is
    80F. Cool is 50F. I am guessing about 1 liter per hour difference (without
    looking at my files).

    Also, you have to remember that some of the weight lost is from muscle
    glycogen so it is not all water loss.

    Quoted message said:


    []

    Quoted message said:


    The thing to do is practice and experiment with some of the many goo-like
    substances during your long runs. Just remember that eating too much
    will
    bog you down big-time. I'd see how 1 / hour works as a starting point.

    -- Dan

    more good advice. Practice involves not just the feet. Learning how and
    what to drink and eat on the run is part of it too.

    Good luck with the training and the marathon run.
    Ed

  15. "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "george of the jungle" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ....If you lose 24 oz / hour, try
    to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Quoted message said:

    See this is the "over-thinking" running I spoke of in another post.
    This is just stupid. Gee, do you weigh yourself before or after you
    [censored]? There's 4 or 5 lbs, then there's your clothing, and shoes,
    and...see what I mean? This idea is just idiotic. Hydrate with water
    and gatorade, and you should be fine.

    Your craps weigh 4 or 5 pounds? Wow, do you only [censored] once a week?
    I suggest weighing in running shorts only to keep it consistent--and
    running shorts do not absorb much water so you can weigh in them post run.
    Another thing I have done with athletes in training camps is to have
    them weigh each morning and also to check the specific gravity and have them
    guess it. We then did not allow the athletes to train the next day unless
    they were back within 1% of their previous day's body mass. It really drove
    home the point when you told a couple of athletes that they could not ski
    until they got their body mass back up.

    Quoted message said:


    Well, I've competed in over 30 marathons, only three of them slower than 3
    hours, and got down to the 2:30's. I didn't get there by being haphazard
    in either preparation or execution.

    Some people naturally tend to hydrate properly, and many (especially more
    serious types) don't drink nearly enough.

    Good luck, Subba.

    -- Dan

  16. Sam said:

    "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "george of the jungle" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    >....If you lose 24 oz / hour, try
    > to drink 6 oz every 15 minutes, or some other combination.

    Quoted message said:

    See this is the "over-thinking" running I spoke of in another post.
    This is just stupid. Gee, do you weigh yourself before or after you
    [censored]? There's 4 or 5 lbs, then there's your clothing, and shoes,
    and...see what I mean? This idea is just idiotic. Hydrate with water
    and gatorade, and you should be fine.

    Quoted message said:

    Your craps weigh 4 or 5 pounds? Wow, do you only [censored] once a week?

    I think he was just being sarcastic when he said 4-5 lbs.

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Your craps weigh 4 or 5 pounds? Wow, do you only [censored] once a
    week?

    I think he was just being sarcastic when he said 4-5 lbs.

    I thought it was humor.

    -DF

  18. Sam said:

    Your craps weigh 4 or 5 pounds?

    andrew albright claimed that a good [censored] could weigh 2-3 pounds, and i'm
    sure you'll agree that he was the expert on [censored].
    h
    reference:
    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/a2e8b371527bf498?dmode=source&hl=en

  19. Here in America we don't call them Goo snacks............they're called
    money shots.

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