Running Gloves or Mittens

Wayne Conway said:

About 5% of our marathon training group showed up Saturday morning
after a night of snow and sleet. Coupled with that were 10 Degree Far.
temps and 20 mph North winds (-10 wind chill). Now these conditions will
never be "comfortable" to my Oklahoma sensibilities, but I couldn't
"not" show up. I was dressed well and on the verge of being cozy, except
for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which turned out to
be no match for the conditions. In the space of 2 upwind miles, my
fingers went from chilled, to painful, to completely numb.
Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from those
of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was quite
nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

Stick your hands up the guys ass whose in front of you. Keeps your
hands warm, and you'll make a new friend...or not.

"Wayne Conway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from
those of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was
quite nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

I'm a mitten fan since it keeps the heat of your fingers together. I use
extra large mittens and can keep all my fingers including my thumb
nicely warm. Of course even the mitten has to have the correct warmth
factor and breath. Given the choice I go for too warm. I can always
take my hand out a wipe the sweat on my shirt and stuff them back in
quickly.

-DF

They do make windproof shells to put over the mittens. You may want to try
some.

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Quoted message said:

About 5% of our marathon training group showed up Saturday morning
after a night of snow and sleet. Coupled with that were 10 Degree Far.
temps and 20 mph North winds (-10 wind chill). Now these conditions will
never be "comfortable" to my Oklahoma sensibilities, but I couldn't
"not" show up. I was dressed well and on the verge of being cozy, except
for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which turned out to
be no match for the conditions. In the space of 2 upwind miles, my
fingers went from chilled, to painful, to completely numb.
Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from those
of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was quite
nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

--
Quality is a function of design, materials, and craftsmanship.
Inspection can only confirm quality or reveal deficiencies.
In no case, can quality be inspected into anything.

Wayne Conway said:

I was dressed well and on the verge of being cozy, except
for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which turned out to
be no match for the conditions.

If these were windproof mittens, then maybe you needed warmer,
non-constricting mittens underneath, rather than gloves. Most wind
mittens that I've seen in recent years are reasonably windproof - say to
30-50mph winds, at least. Maybe change liner mittens if you're out
awhile and they start getting wet - or just run without mittens until
hands cool off. I've used fleece gloves under insulated wind mittens
($10 ski ones, although I think they were $30 list) down to -10F with
toasty hands.

Dot

--
"Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter

Wayne:

I use and really like the Brooks Paradox mittens. It's an inner fleece
mitten inside a windproof, breathable mitten shell. Really nice and
really warm -- just over the weekend I was out in 15 degrees with a 15-20
mph wind and my fingers stayed plenty toasty for 10 miles. In fact, the
mittens sometimes get too warm if the temp is much above 25 to 30
degrees. When that happens, I just yank off the shell and things cool
right down.

Wayne Conway <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

About 5% of our marathon training group showed up Saturday
morning
after a night of snow and sleet. Coupled with that were 10 Degree Far.
temps and 20 mph North winds (-10 wind chill). Now these conditions
will never be "comfortable" to my Oklahoma sensibilities, but I
couldn't "not" show up. I was dressed well and on the verge of being
cozy, except for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which
turned out to be no match for the conditions. In the space of 2 upwind
miles, my fingers went from chilled, to painful, to completely numb.
Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from
those
of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was quite
nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

I had similar conditions this weekend, with -20 or so wind chills and
ambient air at 0 or slightly below.
I use a pair of very cheap "Miracle Gloves". They are a one size fits
all sort of glove. Right now at most farm stores you can buy them for
under a buck a pair.
Over the "Miracle Gloves", a pair of mittens or three finger mittens.
Usually made of some sort of neoprene or fleece material. Stay warm as
toast. I have several different pair.
Its always about layers, Wayne 🙂.

Wayne Conway said:

About 5% of our marathon training group showed up Saturday morning
after a night of snow and sleet. Coupled with that were 10 Degree Far.
temps and 20 mph North winds (-10 wind chill). Now these conditions will
never be "comfortable" to my Oklahoma sensibilities, but I couldn't
"not" show up. I was dressed well and on the verge of being cozy, except
for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which turned out to
be no match for the conditions. In the space of 2 upwind miles, my
fingers went from chilled, to painful, to completely numb.
Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from
those of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was
quite nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:34:14 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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Wayne:

I use and really like the Brooks Paradox mittens. It's an inner fleece

Wayne: do the OPPOSITE of what NEWSDUD tells you to do, and you can be
confident you are on the right trail.

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:34:14 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Wayne:

I use and really like the Brooks Paradox mittens. It's an inner fleece

Wayne: do the OPPOSITE of what NEWSDUD tells you to do, and you can be
confident you are on the right trail.

Douchebag's got yet another new nick for me to killfilter, I see...

Wayne Conway said:

About 5% of our marathon training group showed up Saturday morning
after a night of snow and sleet. Coupled with that were 10 Degree Far.
temps and 20 mph North winds (-10 wind chill). Now these conditions will
never be "comfortable" to my Oklahoma sensibilities, but I couldn't
"not" show up. I was dressed well and on the verge of being cozy, except
for my trusted glove liners, gloves, and wind mitts which turned out to
be no match for the conditions. In the space of 2 upwind miles, my
fingers went from chilled, to painful, to completely numb.
Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from those
of you who run where it really gets cold. The downwind leg was quite
nice. My concern is reducing the wind effect on the hands.

What kind of glove liners?

I use inexxpensive poly liners down into
the single digits F.

If it's windy (between 5 - 10 mph) I'll
simply ball my hands up (thumbs curled up
inside the fingers) inside the glove. These
are loose oversize liners, not tight fitting,
so the hands can ball up easily (the glove's
fingers flapping in the breeze at that point.)
My hands stay pretty warm, if a bit sweaty.

If windier or too sweaty (sweat cools...)
I'll use a pair of overmits (a wind shell)
with these wicking liners to keep hands warmer
or carry a pair of wool overmits in my jacket
just in case. But generally the poly liners
will keep my hands warm enough to at least 0 F
(wind chill temp...) using the above method.

The wind is what chills the extremities most,
so a poly liner glove with a wind shell or any
sort of overmit should be adequate at the temps
described. I see no need for expensive brand
name gloves or mits.

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:54:41 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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Douchebag's got yet another new nick for me to killfilter, I see...

He probably does, but he's still right about Newsdud.

I was using the white synthetic liners with the metal foil woven into
the fabric. Can't remember the brand name. Had them for a while and have
always worked well (until Saturday anyway). Sounds like I need to look
more at the mitten option with a lined wind mitt outer layer. My current
outer windmitts (Sugoi) are unlined. Yeah, layers is the answer. I think
part of my problem was my middle layer (generic $.99 jersey glove). Thanks.

Tom Phillips said:

What kind of glove liners?

--
Quality is a function of design, materials, and craftsmanship.
Inspection can only confirm quality or reveal deficiencies.
In no case, can quality be inspected into anything.

Go with either one.

Neither will make you look any sillier out there.

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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:54:41 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Douchebag's got yet another new nick for me to killfilter, I see...

He probably does, but he's still right about Newsdud.

I really enjoy all the conversations that douchebag has with himself. Sort
of verbal masturbation, I guess.

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:45:42 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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I really enjoy all the conversations that douchebag has with himself. Sort
of verbal masturbation, I guess.

Of course they are right about you.

I have tried the latex glove route. Worked OK except my hands
sweated like anything. Now I use some cheap hunting type
glove/mitts. The ones where the mitt part can be pulled
off your fingers and you're left with something like a glove
with the fingers cut off. Very adjustable and if you need
to rip a gel open, you can. For long runs i have a pair where
I cut open the thumb a bit.
....thehick

Wayne Conway said:

I was using the white synthetic liners with the metal foil woven into
the fabric.

I've never heard of such. Suggest you get
some plain poly liners...

Can't remember the brand name. Had them for a while and have

Quoted message said:

always worked well (until Saturday anyway). Sounds like I need to look
more at the mitten option with a lined wind mitt outer layer. My current
outer windmitts (Sugoi) are unlined. Yeah, layers is the answer. I think
part of my problem was my middle layer (generic $.99 jersey glove). Thanks.

Might want to look at serious glove/mit options:

http://www.marmot.com/products/cat.php?cat=glove

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Tom Phillips said:

What kind of glove liners?

Wayne Conway said:

Need some advice on glove or mitten brands (or combinations) from those
of you who run where it really gets cold.

I live in Georgia. Obviously, it's not very cold here. However, I have
Raynaud's. I'm not sure if this is equivalent to someone living in
colder climates without Raynaud's. At any rate, I'm following this
thread with interest, since I've played around with several different
combinations of gloves, mitts, liners, latex, hand warmers, you name
it. This includes gloves that posters have mentioned as being "toasty
down to -10F." They are NOT toasty for me, even in 30F temps. Because
of the raynaud's I often run in shorts & T-Shirt/singlet, but need
gloves to keep my fingers warm in temps colder than 65F. Someone
mentioned the Brooks Paradox. Those look interesting, but I'd hate to
blow $40 on yet another failed attempt at keeping my hands warm based
on a non-raynaud endorsement.

What does work for me is, depending on how cold it is, a combination of
wool mittens, windproof shell, and chemical hand warmers. I like
mittens for a few reasons. One, as DF mentioned, is that your fingers
can keep themselves warm. You can make a fist and warm your fingers on
the palm of your hand. Also, you can store small items inside your
gloves, such as chemical hand warmers. Additionally, in case it does
get too warm, they're easier to take off than gloves. Wool works best
for me. Wool seems to keep my hands warm without building up moisture
inside the mitten. I have a pair of cheap ragwool mittens
(http://tinyurl.com/bwd49) that I use for cold (for me) conditions and
a pair of Dachstein wool mitts that I use for the coldest conditions
(http://tinyurl.com/7qwws). On top of the mittens I use a windproof
shell mitt. These are handy for wind protection as well as wiping
sweat. If I'm out for a long run sometmes I'll bring along chemical
hand warmers.

--
Phil M.

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:33:51 -0700, Tom Phillips <[email hidden]>

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I've never heard of such. Suggest you get
some plain poly liners...

Just get yourself some panty liners.