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  1. Just got home from a track meet - long night - 10 teams (4:30 - 9:30)

    Question on running 110 hurdles -
    How are the runners monitored for "interference" ?

    Our son at last year's conference was wacked by a flying arm,
    and caused him to stumble - but finish...
    Tonight we had a flying trailing foot smack him in the side.

    Both times our coaches saw it happen, but the starter didn't -
    Are there other folks that are normally watching down the lanes ?

    So - just curious how these things are monitored
    and handled - even if the other runner is DQ'd,
    it doesn't help our guy finish any faster.... or do it over -

  2. Phil,
    It sounds like the little putz needs the
    TBR's "The Winners edge sandals" designed by The Bill Rodgers. They are
    basically running shoes with chainsaws mounted on each shoe. Yes they
    add a lot of weight, but so far nobody's ever passed another runner who
    was wearing these, so they work.

  3. Or maybe Bill's new book "how to elbow your way to the front of the
    pack" will help?

  4. Actually they will not do it over unless a lot of people go down. It
    is unfortunate, I am a coach and it is very frustrating when things
    like that happen. The starter and refs are supposed to be watching for
    stuff like that, but thats really it. Good Luck at districts/states.

  5. "Phil Schuman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Just got home from a track meet - long night - 10 teams (4:30 - 9:30)

    So - just curious how these things are monitored
    and handled - even if the other runner is DQ'd,
    it doesn't help our guy finish any faster.... or do it over -

    Sadly, even the things which are more easy to monitor, they person
    'watching' is usually asleep anyway. I have to say it stinks but that's the
    reality of it.

    At least as a distance runner I had the opportunity to spike the heels
    of anyone dumb enough to really cut me off, or if they tried to gradually
    elbow in I would punch them HARD in the back of their upper arm. (If you
    time it for when their elbow is coming back toward you, they get a very
    painful message).
    I don't know of any self-regulation possible in the 110s except to be
    ahead of them.

    Dave

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    if they tried to gradually elbow in I would punch them
    HARD in the back of their upper arm.

    Woo-hoo - thanks David! As a late-blooming recreational runner, I love
    to learn the *good stuff* from those of you who've really been there
    and done that and got the bruised triceps to prove it.

    Hmmm, does 45 mins speed bag training count as a "hard day"?

  7. "if you see kay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    if they tried to gradually elbow in I would punch them
    HARD in the back of their upper arm.

    Woo-hoo - thanks David! As a late-blooming recreational runner, I love
    to learn the *good stuff* from those of you who've really been there
    and done that and got the bruised triceps to prove it.

    The best one I know was used by a teammate on a guy who kept getting in
    his way on a 10' wide cross-country course - he simply shoved him off course
    into some briars. At race speeds, the guy simply went flying. The guy was
    doing it because noone else was around, but that works both ways :o)
    Seriously though, I try to give a verbal warning first - that takes less
    energy.

    Dave

  8. David Geesaman said:

    At least as a distance runner I had the opportunity to spike the heels
    of anyone dumb enough to really cut me off, or if they tried to gradually
    elbow in I would punch them HARD in the back of their upper arm. (If you
    time it for when their elbow is coming back toward you, they get a very
    painful message).
    I don't know of any self-regulation possible in the 110s except to be
    ahead of them.

    What distances did you run, and which ones were the worst in terms of jostling
    ? The mile/1500 races look especially rough because it's long enough for packs
    to jostle strategically for position -- no-one wants to be the rabbit, but
    everyone wants to be close to the front, yet it's not long enough for the pack
    to fragment. At my level (4:48 mile) the pack breaks up even in short races,
    and half the competitors are wearing flats anyway. In the mile, I can run
    behind the main pack and then just run past them when the time is right (even
    on indoor track). But that only works because the pack isn't very big.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  9. "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    David Geesaman said:

    At least as a distance runner I had the opportunity to spike the
    heels
    of anyone dumb enough to really cut me off, or if they tried to gradually
    elbow in I would punch them HARD in the back of their upper arm. (If you
    time it for when their elbow is coming back toward you, they get a very
    painful message).
    I don't know of any self-regulation possible in the 110s except to be
    ahead of them.

    What distances did you run, and which ones were the worst in terms of
    jostling
    ? The mile/1500 races look especially rough because it's long enough for
    packs
    to jostle strategically for position -- no-one wants to be the rabbit, but
    everyone wants to be close to the front, yet it's not long enough for the
    pack
    to fragment. At my level (4:48 mile) the pack breaks up even in short
    races,
    and half the competitors are wearing flats anyway. In the mile, I can run
    behind the main pack and then just run past them when the time is right
    (even
    on indoor track). But that only works because the pack isn't very big.

    Donovan Rebbechi

    Off the start, it's always the same - whoever takes the position, owns
    the position. I found that two things were always important: head up on the
    start and go when you see gunsmoke (tremendously important in
    cross-country), and hold your elbows somewhat wide. Beginners often try to
    take as little space as possible and squeeze in when the waterfall start
    cuts for the first corner - this is a huge mistake. If you're going to
    squeeze in, do it and then widen those arms to make some space. Keep the
    elbows a little wide and hands high. Nothing wrong with stabilizing
    yourself by a hand on another runner's shoulder if you're getting cramped.

    It depended on the race size and the closeness. All middle and long
    distance events could get rough. In middle distance and relays, the
    jostling was less body and pushing, and more about not having room to
    stretch out and stride. The good news is that they are moving closer to
    their full speed and so changes in pace aren't a major factor. The bad news
    is that just a clipped foot or broken stride at full speed can take a person
    out of contention on the bell lap.
    Wearing spikes only makes the results more severe - a trip will more
    often result in a fall, and contact will more often result in bleeding.
    Stepping on the rail in spikes is also much worse than in flats, assuming
    you don't turn your ankle. Wearing flats tends to allow for more contact
    that doesn't lead to someone taking a fall.

    I was mostly a 3k/5k/10k guy, and I found that pack 'cycling' was
    common: this is where if you're on the inside, someone comes up on the
    outside to the front, and settles in. Then the guy in back does the same,
    and it ends up being a big "Indian Run" (I know that's a not-PC name, but
    it's the only name I know for it). It's quite tiring when you're in the
    middle because you get crowded all around and in big races the pack is 2
    wide plus the guys trying to move up on the outside - so if you're on the
    rail, you don't have much you can do. The alternative is to sprint like
    crazy to get ahead of the pack, run 3 or 4 abreast, or fall behind and move
    up when the pack stretches out. The last is the best option in 5ks and
    10ks, but you have to be very attentive that you don't lose contact with the
    ones in front when it finally stretches out. I remember the Penn Relays
    collegiate 5k was the worst I've ever dealt with: they put like 75 guys on
    the track at once and when the staggered start groups merged, it was a sea
    of confusion for a good 2k. That's a long time to be stuck in traffic, and
    since I'm 6'-1" with a longer stride, I think I got cut off more than most.
    When things finally spread out, I was worn out.

    Keeping guys from pushing you sideways in any race isn't hard to avoid -
    I just widen my elbows and hold my ground. If they run me into the rail I
    take a couple of steps inside the rail to catch my balance and try to jump
    back in and force my way into lane one again, pushing the offender out of my
    way. Officials I know generally will rule in my favor, since I was clearly
    run off the track and made an effort to get back immediately. If your
    pushing is done with forearms it looks less offensive.

    The main conflicts IMO are when the pack isn't too dense and someone
    starts cutting into the small buffer of space between you and the person
    you're following. Usually I found I could ride them off with my arm so they
    would recognize my presence, or say something. If giving a verbal warning,
    make it loud so any bystanders or officials hear it too. If he persisted on
    cutting me off gradually, I would reach out for the back of his left elbow
    and push it forward, so he couldn't pump that arm. That works very well to
    throw off their rhythm and their reflex is to make some space. The tricep
    punch is a semi-combative last resort and can be made very slyly in your
    natural running motion.

    Dave

  10. "David Geesaman" wrote

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    Donovan Rebbechi wrote

    Interesting thread!
    Thanks for the info guys.... as an old fart who just took up
    walk/jog/crawling, I know nothing about competitive running. I will now be
    able to watch a race with a little more insight.
    --
    Les <SlowFoot> Stewart
    Beaumont, TX

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