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  1. I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been a great running partner for
    the last year and up until 3 months ago was doing great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/-
    mile run on a flat fire road, his back legs seem to have little to no strength left. I usually run
    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back legs are weak. He has a hard
    time getting up off the ground and really doesn't move too much. But after that day and a half, he's
    ready and VERY ready to go. He sees me in my running outfit and goes crazy waiting to head out. But
    I've been leaving him home b/c I don't know if he has an arthritis problem or if this is common for
    a dog of his age.

    I know that I can get a little sore after running and figure he must be the same way. Has anyone
    else had this experience and if so, how long did it take for your dog to get into "running shape"?

    He's due for a checkup at the vet, so I'll be taking him sometime this month to get looked at.

    Thanks.

  2. WTF you buttnoid! This is a RUNNING NEWSGROUP you mental midget, not a veternarians.

    Tom C. said:

    I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been a great running partner for
    the last year and up until 3 months ago was doing great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/-
    mile run on a flat fire road, his back legs seem to have little to no strength left. I usually run
    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back legs are weak. He has a
    hard time getting up off the ground and really doesn't move too much. But after that day and a
    half, he's ready and VERY ready to go. He sees me in my running outfit and goes crazy waiting to
    head out. But I've been leaving him home b/c I don't know if he has an arthritis problem or if this
    is common for a dog of his age.

    I know that I can get a little sore after running and figure he must be the same way. Has anyone
    else had this experience and if so, how long did it take for your dog to get into "running shape"?

    He's due for a checkup at the vet, so I'll be taking him sometime this month to get looked at.

    Thanks.

  3. "Tom C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been a great running partner for
    the last year and up until 3 months ago was


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/- mile run on a flat fire road, his back legs seem
    to have little to no strength left. I usually


    run

    Quoted message said:

    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back


    legs

    Quoted message said:

    are weak. He has a hard time getting up off the ground and really doesn't move too much. But after
    that day and a half, he's ready and VERY ready


    to

    Quoted message said:

    go. He sees me in my running outfit and goes crazy waiting to head out. But I've been leaving him
    home b/c I don't know if he has an arthritis problem or if this is common for a dog of his age.

    I know that I can get a little sore after running and figure he must be


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same way. Has anyone else had this experience and if so, how long did it take for your dog to get
    into "running shape"?

    He's due for a checkup at the vet, so I'll be taking him sometime this


    month

    Quoted message said:

    to get looked at.

    Let me get this straight--you ran with your dog for 9 months with no problems, then three months ago
    he started getting so lame after your runs that he laid around and had a hard time getting up off
    the ground for the day and a half. This has been going on for 3 months and you are only now thinking
    about talking it over with a vet, "sometime this month," and only because he's got a checkup
    scheduled anyhow? Sure, you get sore after you runs. If they left you lying on the couch for the
    next 36 hours, though, how long would it take you to figure out something was majorly wrong? Now,
    understand, I'm not one of those animal freaks who believes that dogs should be treated better than
    people, but nevertheless, I do believe that pet owners have a responsibility to take care of their
    animals when they show sign of injury or illness.

    My guess is that your dog's injury is something not directly attributable to running--just about any
    healthy medium-to-large dog should be able to quickly build up to 5 miles, several times a week, on
    a soft surface like a fire road (dirt, I presume?). It's more likely that the dog has an injury or
    illness that is being exacerbated by running (could be a strain or a sprain, intestinal blockage,
    bad hips, cancer...any number of things). Your dog wants to run again after a couple of days because
    he's a very high energy breed, not because he's necessarily "ok" or "all better."

    For what it's worth, right now I'm running about 20 miles a week, a mix of pavement and trails,
    almost always with my 8-yo beagle. I didn't take her with me nearly as much during the middle of
    summer, though, since she gets balky when it's too hot. She lept right back into in Sept. and didn't
    really need to "retrain" to get back to where I was at. And that's a beagle, which is not nearly as
    athletic a breed as Aussies. An Aussie should be able to run 5 miles on soft surface at a moderate
    pace with no special training at all, and still be up for catching frisbees in the back yard as soon
    as you get home.

    Out of curiousity, did you get your dog from a shelter? Do you know anything about his puppyhood? I
    ask, because my sister's last Rott was a rescued dog that had been malnourished as a puppy, and he
    had very brittle bones as a result. Got minor stress fractures a couple of times doing nothing in
    particular, and then a very serious hip fracture just from cutting a tight corner running in the
    yard. Had to put the dog down, 'cause the vet said he'd spend his whole life breaking bones. They've
    got an Aussie Lab mix now--cute as the dickens, but crazy-hyper--if that dog spend a day laying
    around and not wanting to get up off the floor, we'd all know something was seriously wrong.

  4. Hey Tom:

    I had a golden retriever that ran with me for years... he was the same as your dog when he saw the
    running shoes go on he went crazy. As he got older I had to literally wait for him along the trail
    as he caught up. Eventually it came down to taking him out for walk and I did my running alone. It
    broke my heart as well as his. We are (supposedly) the more intelligent creature and must do what is
    best for the less intlellgent animal. Your "best friend" needs to go walking now.

    Len

  5. DrLith,

    Looking back at my initial post, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly - sorry about that.

    I ran those first 9 months only once or twice a week at the most - and sometimes it would take me
    two weeks until I ran again - didn't have a set training schedule. But the last three months or so,
    I've upped the running to at least 3 times a week and that's when the problems start. And after the
    first few runs I've had to leave him home b/c I didn't think he was up to it. That's why my question
    was stated along the lines of "how long did other dogs take to get into shape". I was wondering
    about starting a dog off of his type.

    I would guess I couldn't take a Great Dane out for a 5-mile run, but I figured an Aussie/Lab mix of
    8 years old would be able to handle it. Sounds like I'm wrong and will need to help him build up to
    the distance.

    Thanks for the input.

    - Tom C.

    "DrLith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Let me get this straight--you ran with your dog for 9 months with no problems, then three months
    ago he started getting so lame after your runs that he laid around and had a hard time getting up
    off the ground for the day and a half. This has been going on for 3 months and you are only now
    thinking about talking it over with a vet, "sometime this month," and only because he's got a
    checkup scheduled anyhow? Sure, you get sore after you runs. If they left you lying on the couch
    for the next 36 hours, though,


    how

    Quoted message said:

    long would it take you to figure out something was majorly wrong? Now, understand, I'm not one of
    those animal freaks who believes that dogs


    should

    Quoted message said:

    be treated better than people, but nevertheless, I do believe that pet owners have a
    responsibility to take care of their animals when they show sign of injury or illness.

    My guess is that your dog's injury is something not directly attributable


    to

    Quoted message said:

    running--just about any healthy medium-to-large dog should be able to quickly build up to 5 miles,
    several times a week, on a soft surface like


    a

    Quoted message said:

    fire road (dirt, I presume?). It's more likely that the dog has an injury


    or

    Quoted message said:

    illness that is being exacerbated by running (could be a strain or a


    sprain,

    Quoted message said:

    intestinal blockage, bad hips, cancer...any number of things). Your dog wants to run again after a
    couple of days because he's a very high energy breed, not because he's necessarily "ok" or "all
    better."

    For what it's worth, right now I'm running about 20 miles a week, a mix of pavement and trails,
    almost always with my 8-yo beagle. I didn't take her with me nearly as much during the middle
    of summer, though, since she gets balky when it's too hot. She lept right back into in Sept.
    and didn't


    really

    Quoted message said:

    need to "retrain" to get back to where I was at. And that's a beagle,


    which

    Quoted message said:

    is not nearly as athletic a breed as Aussies. An Aussie should be able to run 5 miles on soft
    surface at a moderate pace with no special training at all, and still be up for catching frisbees
    in the back yard as soon as you get home.

    Out of curiousity, did you get your dog from a shelter? Do you know


    anything

    Quoted message said:

    about his puppyhood? I ask, because my sister's last Rott was a rescued


    dog

    Quoted message said:

    that had been malnourished as a puppy, and he had very brittle bones as a result. Got minor stress
    fractures a couple of times doing nothing in particular, and then a very serious hip fracture just
    from cutting a tight corner running in the yard. Had to put the dog down, 'cause the vet said he'd
    spend his whole life breaking bones. They've got an Aussie Lab mix now--cute as the dickens, but
    crazy-hyper--if that dog spend a day laying around and not wanting to get up off the floor, we'd
    all know something


    was

    Quoted message said:

    seriously wrong.

  6. C'mon folks! How can you be fooled by such an obvious troll? It's no wonder trolls around the world
    have heard about this NG being so easy.

    DrLith said:

    "Tom C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been a great running partner
    for the last year and up until 3 months ago was


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/- mile run on a flat fire road, his back legs seem
    to have little to no strength left. I usually


    run

    Quoted message said:

    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back


    legs

    Quoted message said:

    are weak. He has a hard time getting up off the ground and really doesn't move too much. But
    after that day and a half, he's ready and VERY ready


    to

    Quoted message said:

    go. He sees me in my running outfit and goes crazy waiting to head out. But I've been leaving him
    home b/c I don't know if he has an arthritis problem or if this is common for a dog of his age.

    I know that I can get a little sore after running and figure he must be


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same way. Has anyone else had this experience and if so, how long did it take for your dog to get
    into "running shape"?

    He's due for a checkup at the vet, so I'll be taking him sometime this


    month

    Quoted message said:

    to get looked at.

    Let me get this straight--you ran with your dog for 9 months with no problems, then three months
    ago he started getting so lame after your runs that he laid around and had a hard time getting up
    off the ground for the day and a half. This has been going on for 3 months and you are only now
    thinking about talking it over with a vet, "sometime this month," and only because he's got a
    checkup scheduled anyhow? Sure, you get sore after you runs. If they left you lying on the couch
    for the next 36 hours, though, how long would it take you to figure out something was majorly
    wrong? Now, understand, I'm not one of those animal freaks who believes that dogs should be treated
    better than people, but nevertheless, I do believe that pet owners have a responsibility to take
    care of their animals when they show sign of injury or illness.

    My guess is that your dog's injury is something not directly attributable to running--just about
    any healthy medium-to-large dog should be able to quickly build up to 5 miles, several times a
    week, on a soft surface like a fire road (dirt, I presume?). It's more likely that the dog has an
    injury or illness that is being exacerbated by running (could be a strain or a sprain, intestinal
    blockage, bad hips, cancer...any number of things). Your dog wants to run again after a couple of
    days because he's a very high energy breed, not because he's necessarily "ok" or "all better."

    For what it's worth, right now I'm running about 20 miles a week, a mix of pavement and trails,
    almost always with my 8-yo beagle. I didn't take her with me nearly as much during the middle of
    summer, though, since she gets balky when it's too hot. She lept right back into in Sept. and
    didn't really need to "retrain" to get back to where I was at. And that's a beagle, which is not
    nearly as athletic a breed as Aussies. An Aussie should be able to run 5 miles on soft surface at a
    moderate pace with no special training at all, and still be up for catching frisbees in the back
    yard as soon as you get home.

    Out of curiousity, did you get your dog from a shelter? Do you know anything about his puppyhood? I
    ask, because my sister's last Rott was a rescued dog that had been malnourished as a puppy, and he
    had very brittle bones as a result. Got minor stress fractures a couple of times doing nothing in
    particular, and then a very serious hip fracture just from cutting a tight corner running in the
    yard. Had to put the dog down, 'cause the vet said he'd spend his whole life breaking bones.
    They've got an Aussie Lab mix now--cute as the dickens, but crazy-hyper--if that dog spend a day
    laying around and not wanting to get up off the floor, we'd all know something was seriously wrong.

  7. Tom C. said:

    DrLith,

    Looking back at my initial post, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly - sorry about that.

    I ran those first 9 months only once or twice a week at the most - and sometimes it would take me
    two weeks until I ran again - didn't have a set training schedule. But the last three months or so,
    I've upped the running to at least 3 times a week and that's when the problems start. And after the
    first few runs I've had to leave him home b/c I didn't think he was up to it. That's why my
    question was stated along the lines of "how long did other dogs take to get into shape". I was
    wondering about starting a dog off of his type.

    I would guess I couldn't take a Great Dane out for a 5-mile run, but I figured an Aussie/Lab mix of
    8 years old would be able to handle it. Sounds like I'm wrong and will need to help him build up to
    the distance.

    Thanks for the input.


    If you are serious, then the problem is LACK of training and consistency. Running twice a week to a
    dog is like running twice a month to a human. Would that get you in shape? Or just leave you hurting
    after each run?

  8. Tom C. said:

    I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been a great running partner for
    the last year and up until 3 months ago was doing great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/-
    mile run on a flat fire road, his back legs seem to have little to no strength left. I usually run
    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back legs are weak.

    Get the hips x-rayed at your next visit. One of my Aussies has bad hips, and walks suit him much
    better than running.

    If he's dysplastic, then regular walks are good for him, as good muscle tone around the hips will
    support the joint. You should ask the vet about giving him glucosamine and aspirin as well.

    If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't run him anymore ... you could always take him for a walk before
    your run as part of your new routine together.

    My aussies were never crazy about running. One in particular would feign fatigue out of boredom --
    right from the start of the run. What they REALLY enjoy is a hike, off-lead, with me through the
    woods, where they can spint-sniff-sprint-sniff-sprint-sniff: much more their cup of tea.

    Scott (not a big fan of running with dogs)

  9. Get a life.

    "TROLL ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    C'mon folks! How can you be fooled by such an obvious troll? It's no wonder trolls around the
    world have heard about this NG being so easy.

    DrLith said:

    "Tom C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have an 8 year old Aussie/Lab mix who weighs about 50 lbs. He's been


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    great running partner for the last year and up until 3 months ago was


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    great. Now, when we get back from the usual 5+/- mile run on a flat


    fire

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    road, his back legs seem to have little to no strength left. I usually


    run

    Quoted message said:

    at noon and for the rest of that day and most of the next day, his back


    legs

    Quoted message said:

    are weak. He has a hard time getting up off the ground and really


    doesn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    move too much. But after that day and a half, he's ready and VERY


    ready

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    go. He sees me in my running outfit and goes crazy waiting to head


    out.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But I've been leaving him home b/c I don't know if he has an arthritis problem or if this is
    common for a dog of his age.

    I know that I can get a little sore after running and figure he must be


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same way. Has anyone else had this experience and if so, how long did


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take for your dog to get into "running shape"?

    He's due for a checkup at the vet, so I'll be taking him sometime this


    month

    Quoted message said:

    to get looked at.

    Let me get this straight--you ran with your dog for 9 months with no problems, then three months
    ago he started getting so lame after your


    runs

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that he laid around and had a hard time getting up off the ground for the day and a half. This
    has been going on for 3 months and you are only now thinking about talking it over with a vet,
    "sometime this month," and onl


    y

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because he's got a checkup scheduled anyhow? Sure, you get sore after you runs. If they left you
    lying on the couch for the next 36 hours, though,


    how

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    long would it take you to figure out something was majorly wrong? Now, understand, I'm not one of
    those animal freaks who believes that dogs


    should

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be treated better than people, but nevertheless, I do believe that pet owners have a
    responsibility to take care of their animals when they show sign of injury or illness.

    My guess is that your dog's injury is something not directly attributable


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    running--just about any healthy medium-to-large dog should be able to quickly build up to 5
    miles, several times a week, on a soft surface like


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fire road (dirt, I presume?). It's more likely that the dog has an injury


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    illness that is being exacerbated by running (could be a strain or a


    sprain,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    intestinal blockage, bad hips, cancer...any number of things). Your dog wants to run again after
    a couple of days because he's a very high energy breed, not because he's necessarily "ok" or "all
    better."

    For what it's worth, right now I'm running about 20 miles a week, a mix


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pavement and trails, almost always with my 8-yo beagle. I didn't take her with me nearly as much
    during the middle of summer, though, since she


    gets

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    balky when it's too hot. She lept right back into in Sept. and didn't


    really

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    need to "retrain" to get back to where I was at. And that's a beagle,


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is not nearly as athletic a breed as Aussies. An Aussie should be able to run 5 miles on soft
    surface at a moderate pace with no special training


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all, and still be up for catching frisbees in the back yard as soon as


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    get home.

    Out of curiousity, did you get your dog from a shelter? Do you know


    anything

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about his puppyhood? I ask, because my sister's last Rott was a rescued


    dog

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that had been malnourished as a puppy, and he had very brittle bones as a result. Got minor
    stress fractures a couple of times doing nothing in particular, and then a very serious hip
    fracture just from cutting a


    tight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    corner running in the yard. Had to put the dog down, 'cause the vet said he'd spend his whole
    life breaking bones. They've got an Aussie Lab mix now--cute as the dickens, but crazy-hyper--if
    that dog spend a day laying around and not wanting to get up off the floor, we'd all know
    something


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    seriously wrong.

  10. I never ran with my dog, but he's 14. Starting at about 10 years old he had symptoms a lot like you
    describe. It's slowly gotten worse ever since. The vet told us that for larger dogs it's not
    uncommon for them to begin losing feeling/strength/control over time as they get old. The nerves in
    the spine get pinched or atrophy or something and it is progressive. He can still walk/trot
    (probably run if he wasn't blind too), but he has great trouble getting his back end off the ground
    sometimes and has an obvious lack of feeling in his rear quarters. Could be this, could just be
    fatigue from running. Dogs get old too, probably time to retire him to walking... Andy Hass

  11. In article said:

    DrLith,

    Looking back at my initial post, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly - sorry about that.

    I ran those first 9 months only once or twice a week at the most - and sometimes it would take me
    two weeks until I ran again - didn't have a set training schedule. But the last three months or so,
    I've upped the running to at least 3 times a week and that's when the problems start. And after the
    first few runs I've had to leave him home b/c I didn't think he was up to it. That's why my
    question was stated along the lines of "how long did other dogs take to get into shape". I was
    wondering about starting a dog off of his type.

    I would guess I couldn't take a Great Dane out for a 5-mile run, but I figured an Aussie/Lab mix of
    8 years old would be able to handle it. Sounds like I'm wrong and will need to help him build up to
    the distance.

    Thanks for the input.

    - Tom C.

    I have an Aussie/Collie mix, somewhere between 4-6 years old (is there any way to accurately
    determine age?), and she loves to run with me, up to 6 miles. Longer than that and she starts
    lagging (a long way). Mix of soft surface and blacktop.

    We have been doing this for a year, and take her 3 or 4 times a week. Really enjoys it now the
    weather has cooled off.

    --mikeb

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