rucksacks with water bladders

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:47:06 GMT, "PP" <[email hidden]>

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I've heard you can get rucksacks with built in water bladders and a drinks
tube that comes over the shoulder strap. Can anyone recommend such a sack?

Hi there,

What do you plan to use it for? There are lots available but
recommendations will depend on the size you need.

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Hi
I go on a lot of day walks and use a Berghaus Dart 30 litre rucksack. Is it
possible to fit a bladder into that or would it be better to purchase a new
sack of about the same size that has a bladder already fitted?

Phil

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:47:06 GMT, "PP" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've heard you can get rucksacks with built in water bladders and a

drinks

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tube that comes over the shoulder strap. Can anyone recommend such a

sack?

Quoted message said:

Hi there,

What do you plan to use it for? There are lots available but
recommendations will depend on the size you need.

Best wishes,
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/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:34:10 GMT, "PP" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi
I go on a lot of day walks and use a Berghaus Dart 30 litre rucksack. Is it
possible to fit a bladder into that or would it be better to purchase a new
sack of about the same size that has a bladder already fitted?

Hello again,

Well far be it from me to discourage anyone from buying new kit... (I
love new kit!)... but I think that depends really on whether you
generally have any spare room in the Dart.

Many newer sacks come with a little sleeve into which you can feed
your Platypus or Camelbak (or whatever), but at the end of the day you
don't need the sleeve and it'll all work just as efficiently if you
just put the Platty/whatever in the sack. You may not have the little
hole near the top pocket to let the tube out, but you can just feed it
out under the lid (as I've done with my prehistoric Lowe Alpine
Contour Runner before now).

If you're doing bog-standard day walks with your Dart then you may
well find that 30L is sufficient for your kit, including a reservoir.
If you're a bit short of space then you may have a good excuse for a
new day sack.

If it turns out that you *can* justify looking at a new day sack then
I'd unreservedly recommend the Osprey Atmos 35L, as the comfiest
daysack I've ever used. It's expensive, but it's fantastic. If you
want soemthing cheaper then do look at the Lowe Alpine lightweight
range, as my old Contour Runner is one of the best things I've ever
bought, and still going very strong (and looking great) after more
than 10 years.

Good luck and have fun! :-)

Best wishes,
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That's great. Something for me to think about. Thanks for your help.

Phil

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:34:10 GMT, "PP" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi
I go on a lot of day walks and use a Berghaus Dart 30 litre rucksack. Is

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

possible to fit a bladder into that or would it be better to purchase a

new

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sack of about the same size that has a bladder already fitted?

Hello again,

Well far be it from me to discourage anyone from buying new kit... (I
love new kit!)... but I think that depends really on whether you
generally have any spare room in the Dart.

Many newer sacks come with a little sleeve into which you can feed
your Platypus or Camelbak (or whatever), but at the end of the day you
don't need the sleeve and it'll all work just as efficiently if you
just put the Platty/whatever in the sack. You may not have the little
hole near the top pocket to let the tube out, but you can just feed it
out under the lid (as I've done with my prehistoric Lowe Alpine
Contour Runner before now).

If you're doing bog-standard day walks with your Dart then you may
well find that 30L is sufficient for your kit, including a reservoir.
If you're a bit short of space then you may have a good excuse for a
new day sack.

If it turns out that you *can* justify looking at a new day sack then
I'd unreservedly recommend the Osprey Atmos 35L, as the comfiest
daysack I've ever used. It's expensive, but it's fantastic. If you
want soemthing cheaper then do look at the Lowe Alpine lightweight
range, as my old Contour Runner is one of the best things I've ever
bought, and still going very strong (and looking great) after more
than 10 years.

Good luck and have fun! :-)

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, PP
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Hi
I go on a lot of day walks and use a Berghaus Dart 30 litre rucksack. Is it
possible to fit a bladder into that or would it be better to purchase a new
sack of about the same size that has a bladder already fitted?

I use a Platypus bladder in loads of different sacks. Some have special
hydration pockets and holes but others don't and that does not cause me
any problems. Therefore I suggest that you try one in the Dart.

Do make sure anything that needs to be kept dry is in a waterproof bag
in case the water pouch leaks!

--

Dominic Sexton

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:55:24 GMT, "PP" <[email hidden]>

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That's great. Something for me to think about. Thanks for your help.

You're very welcome! :-)

Best wishes,
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Dominic Sexton said:

Do make sure anything that needs to be kept dry is in a waterproof bag
in case the water pouch leaks!

I'm having this problem with my 1 litre Platypus. If I put it in my
pack upside down (so that the tube comes out of the bottom so that I
can suck out every last drop) it leaks. I don't think there is enough
thread on the screw-on cap, so the action of walking puts pressure on
the cap and it gets pushed to one side and leaks.

I don't know whether new ones are any better. Mine must be at least 7
or 8 years old.

Leaks notwithstanding, I love my Platypus. I could not have completed
this weekend's walk without two things: 1. My Tilly Hat and 2. My
Platypus. On a hot day I find it's essential to take regular sips of
water. Your mileage may vary [1] but I think it's a good bit of kit.

Judith
[1] In the olden days, it was possible for a dozen chaps to walk the
entire Pennine Way with only half a cup of luke warm tea between them.
And it was further in them days.

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Judith said:

Dominic Sexton said:

Do make sure anything that needs to be kept dry is in a waterproof bag
in case the water pouch leaks!

I'm having this problem with my 1 litre Platypus. If I put it in my
pack upside down (so that the tube comes out of the bottom so that I
can suck out every last drop) it leaks. I don't think there is enough
thread on the screw-on cap, so the action of walking puts pressure on
the cap and it gets pushed to one side and leaks.

Leaks notwithstanding, I love my Platypus. I could not have completed
this weekend's walk without two things: 1. My Tilly Hat and 2. My
Platypus. On a hot day I find it's essential to take regular sips of
water. Your mileage may vary [1] but I think it's a good bit of kit.

1 litre is enough with this sort of weather for you? I had a two litre
Coke bottle full of water on Sunday, and drank it all (although I was
perhaps a bit indulgent with it, and could have got by on less). My
lack of fitness probably has something to do with it, but I'm
wondering if I get through too much water.

--
Simon Challands

Simon Challands said:

Quoted message said:

I'm having this problem with my 1 litre Platypus. If I put it in my
pack upside down (so that the tube comes out of the bottom so that I
can suck out every last drop) it leaks. I don't think there is enough
thread on the screw-on cap, so the action of walking puts pressure on
the cap and it gets pushed to one side and leaks.

Leaks notwithstanding, I love my Platypus. I could not have completed
this weekend's walk without two things: 1. My Tilly Hat and 2. My
Platypus. On a hot day I find it's essential to take regular sips of
water. Your mileage may vary [1] but I think it's a good bit of kit.

1 litre is enough with this sort of weather for you?

No, it wasn't! On Scafell Pike, starting walking at about 5am when it
was warm but not hot, I drank a litre of very diluted Lucozade Sport
in my Platypus, one 500ml bottle of water and almost one 500ml bottle
of slightly diluted Lucozade Sport. (I kept a little for
emergencies!) I also drank water from streams twice. When I got off
the hill, I shared a 1.5 litre bottle of water with my walking
partner, then had a cup of tea and then a can of Coke.

I still didn't need a wee!

Funnily, though, I reckon I only drank about 750ml (Oh, and a glass of
lemonade at the halfway station) on Snowdon despite the heat now being
overbearing. My walking partner was shocked to see that he, too, had
only drunk about half a litre. This made me wonder if our bodies were
now in some sort of drought-survival/shock routine? Incidentally,
despite slogging away and sweating buckets, I put on about 4 pounds in
weight. Very odd!

Judith

Quoted message said:

I had a two litre
Coke bottle full of water on Sunday, and drank it all (although I was
perhaps a bit indulgent with it, and could have got by on less). My
lack of fitness probably has something to do with it, but I'm
wondering if I get through too much water.

Judith said:

Incidentally,
despite slogging away and sweating buckets, I put on about 4 pounds in
weight. Very odd!

Muscle! :-)

Best wishes,
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Hi there,

There is a good selection of bladder packs and even the larger ones on
the following link, The Cloud Walker is a good one 22 ltrs at £45 but
obviously it depends on where and what you are going to be doing when
wearing it!

Take a look on following link theres quite a lot to choose from!

http://www.cheaptents.com/acatalog/Product_Catalogue_Others_24.html

Thanks

Rebecca

PP said:

I've heard you can get rucksacks with built in water bladders and a drinks
tube that comes over the shoulder strap. Can anyone recommend such a sack?

Phil

Judith said:

I'm having this problem with my 1 litre Platypus. If I put it in my
pack upside down (so that the tube comes out of the bottom so that I
can suck out every last drop) it leaks. I don't think there is enough
thread on the screw-on cap, so the action of walking puts pressure on
the cap and it gets pushed to one side and leaks.

I don't know whether new ones are any better. Mine must be at least 7
or 8 years old.

Mine don't leak. IME Cascade and their UK importers are *very* good
with warranty claims, and they've changed a delaminating Platypus and a
couple of Seal-Line mapcases where the seal zip was ripping with no
trouble at all. I'd get in touch with them and enquire...

Quoted message said:

Leaks notwithstanding, I love my Platypus. I could not have completed
this weekend's walk without two things: 1. My Tilly Hat and 2. My
Platypus. On a hot day I find it's essential to take regular sips of
water.

And a Plat is good for this, but what surprises me is that more people
don't use water bottle holsters. Not /quite/ as convenient as a feed
tube over the shoulder, but no problem grabbing a bottle as you walk,
and bottles are easier to refill from streams than bladders.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> writes

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what surprises me is that more people don't use water bottle holsters.
Not /quite/ as convenient as a feed tube over the shoulder, but no
problem grabbing a bottle as you walk, and bottles are easier to refill
from streams than bladders.

Unfortunately many modern hip belts have hip fins / padding / pockets
that get in the way of carrying a bottle holster or camera case at the
side. I personally don't like anything on the belt at the front.

I like the bottle pouches on the side of my KIMM sac which are quite
convenient with the right size bottle.

--

Dominic Sexton

Your platy shouldn't be leaking - they're designed to be carried this
way up (although I've heard of some folks using them as some sort of
lung-exerciser by having them with the tube at the top!). Mine is newer
(3 years old), so maybe you need a new cap?

As regards good sacks for them, I use a Kimm 30L which is big enough
for all my summer gear and has a bladder pocket and fittings on the
shoulder straps for the tube,

I've got the 2L version which is usually enough - though I've been
known to top it up en route on very hot days.

druidh

Dominic Sexton said:

Unfortunately many modern hip belts have hip fins / padding / pockets
that get in the way of carrying a bottle holster or camera case at the
side. I personally don't like anything on the belt at the front.

Hip belts rather than waist belts, though. Pockets excepted, on a
frameless daysack there's nothing much to gain by adding much to the
waist belt as it doesn't really take load, it just stabilises the pack.
So I'd tend to avoid packs that added padding for no gain.

My big pack has straps over the top of the hipbelt padding specifically
to allow you to attach anything you fancy there. And I bought it in
1988, so it's not exactly a new idea!

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

druidh said:

As regards good sacks for them, I use a Kimm 30L which is big enough
for all my summer gear and has a bladder pocket and fittings on the
shoulder straps for the tube,

I've got the KIMM 35, and actually prefer to keep the Plat in the full
height mesh side pocket than in its "proper" place. Easier to get at
and less disastrous if it does explode for some reason. The wee
elastics on the shoulder harness work very well for the tube, but I've
used the Plat quite happily in sacks with no widgets built in for their use.

Quoted message said:

I've got the 2L version which is usually enough - though I've been
known to top it up en route on very hot days.

Usually only put about a half litre in, and take drinks from burns as I
pass them so the Plat is a reserve for dry bits of route. Works well up
in the hills, but if you're lower down of on the Cuillin Ridge or
whatever then more than that would make a lot of sense. Also if you're
using something fancier than water (isotonic/energy stuff, for example).

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On 12/7/05 21:49, in article [email hidden],
"Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote:

PW. You've missed your true vocation. You really should be an equipment
reviewer. TGO may well have Chris T and Judy A. But do they really
understand about shopping?

Quoted message said:

Hello again,

Well far be it from me to discourage anyone from buying new kit... (I
love new kit!)... but I think that depends really on whether you
generally have any spare room in the Dart.

Many newer sacks come with a little sleeve into which you can feed
your Platypus or Camelbak (or whatever), but at the end of the day you
don't need the sleeve and it'll all work just as efficiently if you
just put the Platty/whatever in the sack. You may not have the little
hole near the top pocket to let the tube out, but you can just feed it
out under the lid (as I've done with my prehistoric Lowe Alpine
Contour Runner before now).

If you're doing bog-standard day walks with your Dart then you may
well find that 30L is sufficient for your kit, including a reservoir.
If you're a bit short of space then you may have a good excuse for a
new day sack.

If it turns out that you *can* justify looking at a new day sack then
I'd unreservedly recommend the Osprey Atmos 35L, as the comfiest
daysack I've ever used. It's expensive, but it's fantastic. If you
want soemthing cheaper then do look at the Lowe Alpine lightweight
range, as my old Contour Runner is one of the best things I've ever
bought, and still going very strong (and looking great) after more
than 10 years.

Good luck and have fun! :-)

--
Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK

To mail simply put back the dots ...

Peter Clinch said:

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I don't know whether new [Platypus] ones are any better. Mine must be at least 7
or 8 years old.

Mine don't leak. IME Cascade and their UK importers are *very* good
with warranty claims, and they've changed a delaminating Platypus and a
couple of Seal-Line mapcases where the seal zip was ripping with no
trouble at all. I'd get in touch with them and enquire...

I think I need to have a proper look at it. I have cross-threaded it
once - so I wonder if I have damaged it? But, yes, if it seems to be
faulty I shall get in touch with the company/importer.

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Quoted message said:

Leaks notwithstanding, I love my Platypus. I could not have completed
this weekend's walk without two things: 1. My Tilly Hat and 2. My
Platypus. On a hot day I find it's essential to take regular sips of
water.

And a Plat is good for this, but what surprises me is that more people
don't use water bottle holsters. Not /quite/ as convenient as a feed
tube over the shoulder, but no problem grabbing a bottle as you walk,
and bottles are easier to refill from streams than bladders.

That's what I was thinking on Sunday. We passed a stream that would
have been an ideal place to fill a water bottle but I really could not
be bothered to take my Platypus out of the sleeve inside my pack. If
I had been using my Platypus holster then I /would/ have bothered.
However, I dare say I would have found the holster a bit annoying
flapping against my hip. What /was/ useful was being able to stick
another bottle (containing diluted Lucozade Sport) in the net pocket
on the side of my rucksack. This is not my usual walking pack - I
really use it as a satchel for work or for overnight trips - and
neither of my normal sacks have these nets. I can reach the bottle
without removing the pack, which is a godsend.

Judith

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:41:03 GMT, Andy Howell

andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk said:

PW. You've missed your true vocation. You really should be an equipment
reviewer. TGO may well have Chris T and Judy A.

<blush...>

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But do they really understand about shopping?

Lol! :-)

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
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