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  1. More tall tales from the back of the bunch....

    Yesterday was the 2nd of a 3 race handicap series up here in Brissy (the Trek Series). I'm in Cat 2 which is masters B/C/D, mens C & womens A. Groups of about 6 riders go at 2 minutes intervals and it's basically a team TT trying to catch everyone in front and not get caught by the scratchies. It's a very difficult job for the handicappers to get right and you get a few burglars 🙂 Last week was a industrial estate crit (6 laps - 60k) and yesterday was a 5 lap 65km road race on a very hilly course at Kalbar in windy conditions.

    If you've got a good balanced group it's OK but if it breaks up it's murder. First week I started on 12:30 (scratch was 15:00) had a good group of around 5 but with someone calling the gaps we knew we were never going to catch the leaders. It started raining then we got caught by scratch on the last lap and finished with them in a bunch sprint, but the winners were still 5 minutes in front. It's a bit of a lottery this handicap racing, but hopefully by the third race it should be pretty even.

    Yesterday started on 18:00 (scratch was 25 I think). Group of 7 not as strong as last week and we dropped a couple each lap until it was down to two of us on lap 4. The hills and wind shattered everyone and there weren't many bunches left toward the end, it was just lots of riders on their own or in pairs. The hills were tough, one long climb with a steep kick at the end and then about 5 short sharp ones. Then a flat section with a very strong sidewind and then a killer headwind all the way home up a long gradual climb. Basically there was nowhere to rest, my HR was between 85% and 90% of max just about the whole way.

    Got caught by the large combined group of scratchies and other chasers on lap 4 of 5 and got dropped on the steepest climb as two scratch riders attacked at this point, but with a big effort managed to get back on just before the crest and stayed on till the end. I figured no matter how much it hurt it was going to hurt more if I had to ride the rest of the race on my own! Someone was calling out time gaps so we knew at this point that the leaders were 8 minutes ahead, and on the last lap the pace slowed knowing that the leaders couldn't be caught. What we didn't know is that there was also a second group only 1 minute or so up the road that the pair of attacking scratchies passed to get 4th and 5th. Last lap the group gave up as there was no hope of catching. So tactics wise you not only do you need to know what the gap to the winners is, but how many are in front and how close. It was all academic for me anyway as I didn't have the legs to go with the break so I rolled over the line with the bunch.

    Stayed to watch the Cat 1 race at the top of the big climb and and called out split times for everyone. The scratchies were flying and had caught the lead group when they got the bell. Two riders off the front at the finish, then a small bunch, but I didn't catch the rider's names.

    The final race is next week down the Gold Coast. Thanks to Byron from Victor Cycles who organises the event and all the other helpers.

    Adam

  2. Thanks for the RR adam - nice work holding on 'til the end!!

    I read and re-read the leaflet for that series a few dozen times, but
    always knew I was kidding myself - that'll be one of my targets next
    year after a full winter/spring of base work.

    And top karma points for hanging around to yell out splits afterwards!

    Cheers,
    Absent Husband

  3. Absent Husband said:


    Thanks for the RR adam - nice work holding on 'til the end!!

    I read and re-read the leaflet for that series a few dozen times, but
    always knew I was kidding myself - that'll be one of my targets next
    year after a full winter/spring of base work.

    And top karma points for hanging around to yell out splits afterwards!

    Cheers,
    Absent Husband

    What are you doing on the long weekend (not Anzac day, obv I got places
    to be, the one after that, Labour Day)?

    My mate invited me on a slow cycle tour up Noosa and inland, back
    through the hills... we'd be back by Monday morning because I've gotta
    work (yep, public holiday).

    T

  4. Is that the long weekend covering April 30/May 1 (all these public
    holidays - its like manna from heaven!!)

    I'm at Mooloolaba that weekend for the triathlon. I WAS only supposed
    to be knocking out a 1.5km swim for a mate's team, but their usual
    cyclist has dropped out now too, so I'm doing the swim/40km bike
    double...

    I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    Sounds like a great ride though. I did a Great Qld Bike Ride through
    there many years ago. We were based at Cooroy for 4 days of riding -
    heaps of fun (and a few very testing hills!).

    Enjoy the tour!!

    Absent Husband

  5. Absent Husband said:


    I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    It's only 40km, buy a cheap pair of lycra running shorts. They're fine
    for swimming in and you won't get any nasty chafing on the bike. If you
    haven't cycled in speedos before I don't reckon doing it for the first
    time in a race would be a good idea (actually I don't think cycling in
    speedos would ever be a good idea).

    DaveB

  6. Absent Husband said:


    Is that the long weekend covering April 30/May 1 (all these public
    holidays - its like manna from heaven!!)

    I'm at Mooloolaba that weekend for the triathlon. I WAS only supposed
    to be knocking out a 1.5km swim for a mate's team, but their usual
    cyclist has dropped out now too, so I'm doing the swim/40km bike
    double...

    With any luck, the runner will drop out, and you'll be the smallest
    team!

    Quoted message said:

    I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    Consider buying a pair at Mooloolaba. A mate bought a pair of Tri shorts
    for me there last year for only $40. You'll use them again.

    <snip the rest>

    S'pose I could whiz thru Mooloolaba at some point. Rode up to watch it
    last year.

    Tam

  7. DaveB said:


    Absent Husband said:


    I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    It's only 40km, buy a cheap pair of lycra running shorts. They're fine
    for swimming in and you won't get any nasty chafing on the bike. If you
    haven't cycled in speedos before I don't reckon doing it for the first
    time in a race would be a good idea (actually I don't think cycling in
    speedos would ever be a good idea).

    DaveB

    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1) swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

  8. Tamyka Bell said:

    DaveB wrote:
    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1) swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

    Oi you lot get your own thread if you wanna talk about freak sports! 🙂 btw there's an open event at Lakeside on Anzac day if anyone is interested.

    qld.cycling.org.auAnzac25.pdf

    Adam

  9. adam85 said:


    Tamyka Bell said:

    DaveB wrote:
    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1)
    swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew!
    That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

    Oi you lot get your own thread if you wanna talk about freak sports! 🙂

    Tee hee

    Quoted message said:

    btw there's an open event at Lakeside on Anzac day if anyone is
    interested.
    http://www.qld.cycling.org.au/new/pdf/2005%20Flyers/Anzac25.pdf

    That'd be right. When I have to work. Or more specifically, when I'll be
    drunk, from work.

    Tam

  10. Tamyka Bell said:
    DaveB said:
    Absent Husband said:

    I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    It's only 40km, buy a cheap pair of lycra running shorts. They're fine
    for swimming in and you won't get any nasty chafing on the bike. If you
    haven't cycled in speedos before I don't reckon doing it for the first
    time in a race would be a good idea (actually I don't think cycling in
    speedos would ever be a good idea).

    DaveB

    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1) swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

    In one of our multisport events here a friend of mine used to ride a
    horse in his speedos. The horse section is straight after the swim
    section. (Blackwood Marathon Relay). I always slip a pair of Jodhpurs
    over my speedos and do the ride in speedos .(Bike follows horse section)

    Marty

  11. Marty said:


    Tamyka Bell said:
    DaveB said:

    Absent Husband wrote:

    >I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    >to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    >cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    >want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    >calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    >chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    >my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    >for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...

    It's only 40km, buy a cheap pair of lycra running shorts. They're fine
    for swimming in and you won't get any nasty chafing on the bike. If you
    haven't cycled in speedos before I don't reckon doing it for the first
    time in a race would be a good idea (actually I don't think cycling in
    speedos would ever be a good idea).

    DaveB

    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1) swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

    In one of our multisport events here a friend of mine used to ride a
    horse in his speedos. The horse section is straight after the swim
    section. (Blackwood Marathon Relay). I always slip a pair of Jodhpurs
    over my speedos and do the ride in speedos .(Bike follows horse section)

    Marty

    That's a crack up! I heard about run/ horseride races and with a kayak,
    but not with a swim. That's cool. Ha ha ha horseriding in speedos.
    Photos?!

    Tam

  12. Quoted message said:

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    *Boing slap boing slap boing slap*

    Meow!

    You really know how to turn me on.

  13. Tamyka Bell said:
    Marty said:
    Tamyka Bell said:

    DaveB wrote:

    >Absent Husband wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I've done much more cycling than swimming lately, so I'm kinda pleased
    >>to be doing the bike leg now as well. Although I'd prefer to be just
    >>cycling... Big decision now is what to wear on the cycle leg!! Don't
    >>want to tough it out in just speedos (I'd look obscene, plus my bum
    >>calluses aren't tough enough yet...). But not sure about whacking on my
    >>chamois over the wet togs - might feel like wearing a soggy sponge in
    >>my knicks. Don't have 'tri-knicks', and don't really want to shell out
    >>for a pair. Hmmm - decisons, decisions...
    >
    >It's only 40km, buy a cheap pair of lycra running shorts. They're fine
    >for swimming in and you won't get any nasty chafing on the bike. If you
    >haven't cycled in speedos before I don't reckon doing it for the first
    >time in a race would be a good idea (actually I don't think cycling in
    >speedos would ever be a good idea).
    >
    >DaveB

    I don't think you should ever do anything in speedos except for (1) swim
    in a pool, and I mean swim not float, must be certifiably training or
    racing, or (2) swim in open water, with the same conditions as in (1).

    Saw a guy running at Manly (Brisbane) in speedos and runners. Ew! That's
    not triathlon, that's just gross!

    Tam

    In one of our multisport events here a friend of mine used to ride a
    horse in his speedos. The horse section is straight after the swim
    section. (Blackwood Marathon Relay). I always slip a pair of Jodhpurs
    over my speedos and do the ride in speedos .(Bike follows horse section)

    Marty

    That's a crack up! I heard about run/ horseride races and with a kayak,
    but not with a swim. That's cool. Ha ha ha horseriding in speedos.
    Photos?!

    Tam

    The order of the race is 12 km run, 7 km kayak, 1 km swim, 16 km horse
    ride and a 22 km bike ride. Setting out your gear is a logistical
    nightmare. It requires two support teams that leap frog each other
    because traffic jams prevent crews reaching the transition points before
    the athlete. Support crews also have to strap the horse and get it's
    pulse rate done to 60 bpm within 30 minutes of the horse finishing. Over
    60 bpm and you're disqualified! It's a funny feeling to take of on your
    bike, riding your guts out and not knowing until you've finished whether
    you've been disqualified or not.
    It'd have to be the most interesting race you ever possibly do. The
    horse section is fast and furious across open paddocks and single track
    though trees. At it's peak there was over 400 entrys. Can you imagine
    400 horses in a transition area? It's always a great day and attracts a
    range of athletes from rank beginners through to olympians.Most people
    do it as teams but the fastest time for an individual is 3 hours and 4
    minutes.

    Marty

  14. Marty said:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    The order of the race is 12 km run, 7 km kayak, 1 km swim, 16 km horse
    ride and a 22 km bike ride. Setting out your gear is a logistical
    nightmare. It requires two support teams that leap frog each other
    because traffic jams prevent crews reaching the transition points before
    the athlete. Support crews also have to strap the horse and get it's
    pulse rate done to 60 bpm within 30 minutes of the horse finishing. Over
    60 bpm and you're disqualified! It's a funny feeling to take of on your
    bike, riding your guts out and not knowing until you've finished whether
    you've been disqualified or not.
    It'd have to be the most interesting race you ever possibly do. The
    horse section is fast and furious across open paddocks and single track
    though trees. At it's peak there was over 400 entrys. Can you imagine
    400 horses in a transition area? It's always a great day and attracts a
    range of athletes from rank beginners through to olympians.Most people
    do it as teams but the fastest time for an individual is 3 hours and 4
    minutes.

    Marty

    That's awesome. Where/when/how details please! (I've got friends who
    can ride....)

    Tam

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