I usually hear them moving through the brush and don't see many but I did over the weekend. Me and Speedracer fall in behind these two gentlemen that look to be over 50 keeping a moderate pace. Speed is in front and I'm hoping he doesn't follow too close.....Woe!! is the next thing I hear with everyone in front lockin it up. The front two sliding to the left and Speed detouring up the side of the bank. (following too close). The next thing I hear, "Is that a gofer snake"?. I walk over to investigate and first spot the diamond shape head. Caution along with a chill go up and down my spine and about the time I spot the rattles that familiar noise starts....RATTLE. The reptile is about 2.5" wide and around 4-4.5 ft. stretched across the trail getting a sun tan. No one really wants to kill it so we let nature continue it's course and go on our way. I'll be watching that section of trail real close from now on.
This brings me to a question. If bit and after using the snake bite kit do I lay in the 98F heat and call 911, ride easy for 10 min. to trailhead, walk for about 20 min. back to the trailhead, or go lay in the water and call 911? What would you do? Keep in mind that my heartrate would probably already be at 60-70% of max. Never being bit I wonder if I could stand the pain, ride in easy and hope EMS has the antivenom at the trailhead?
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I usually hear them moving through the brush and don't see many but I did over the weekend. Me and Speedracer fall in behind these two gentlemen that look to be over 50 keeping a moderate pace. Speed is in front and I'm hoping he doesn't follow too close.....Woe!! is the next thing I hear with everyone in front lockin it up. The front two sliding to the left and Speed detouring up the side of the bank. (following too close). The next thing I hear, "Is that a gofer snake"?. I walk over to investigate and first spot the diamond shape head. Caution along with a chill go up and down my spine and about the time I spot the rattles that familiar noise starts....RATTLE. The reptile is about 2.5" wide and around 4-4.5 ft. stretched across the trail getting a sun tan. No one really wants to kill it so we let nature continue it's course and go on our way. I'll be watching that section of trail real close from now on.
This brings me to a question. If bit and after using the snake bite kit do I lay in the 98F heat and call 911, ride easy for 10 min. to trailhead, walk for about 20 min. back to the trailhead, or go lay in the water and call 911? What would you do? Keep in mind that my heartrate would probably already be at 60-70% of max. Never being bit I wonder if I could stand the pain, ride in easy and hope EMS has the antivenom at the trailhead?
Cleanbean still doing it in Texas
That's some trail critter, Texas style! Re your question, that's a good one. I'll bet the general rule of thumb is to not ride out, but sit tight, so you don't vigorously stimulate blood flow & circulate the venom toward your heart, which is a no-no. I'd like to hear from somebody who knows Jack on the topic.
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I usually hear them moving through the brush and don't see many but I did over the weekend. Me and Speedracer fall in behind these two gentlemen that look to be over 50 keeping a moderate pace. Speed is in front and I'm hoping he doesn't follow too close.....Woe!! is the next thing I hear with everyone in front lockin it up. The front two sliding to the left and Speed detouring up the side of the bank. (following too close). The next thing I hear, "Is that a gofer snake"?. I walk over to investigate and first spot the diamond shape head. Caution along with a chill go up and down my spine and about the time I spot the rattles that familiar noise starts....RATTLE. The reptile is about 2.5" wide and around 4-4.5 ft. stretched across the trail getting a sun tan. No one really wants to kill it so we let nature continue it's course and go on our way. I'll be watching that section of trail real close from now on.
This brings me to a question. If bit and after using the snake bite kit do I lay in the 98F heat and call 911, ride easy for 10 min. to trailhead, walk for about 20 min. back to the trailhead, or go lay in the water and call 911? What would you do? Keep in mind that my heartrate would probably already be at 60-70% of max. Never being bit I wonder if I could stand the pain, ride in easy and hope EMS has the antivenom at the trailhead?
Cleanbean still doing it in Texas
That's some trail critter, Texas style! Re your question, that's a good one. I'll bet the general rule of thumb is to not ride out, but sit tight, so you don't vigorously stimulate blood flow & circulate the venom toward your heart, which is a no-no. I'd like to hear from somebody who knows Jack on the topic.
Paladin
first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Exctractor, sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
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I usually hear them moving through the brush and don't see many but I did over the weekend. {snip}
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That's some trail critter, Texas style! Re your question, that's a good one. I'll bet the general rule of thumb is to not ride out, but sit tight, so you don't vigorously stimulate blood flow & circulate the venom toward your heart, which is a no-no. I'd like to hear from somebody who knows Jack on the topic.
Paladin
first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom
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sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Remove jewelry, Gracie? That so the EMT's get some trail swag as sort of a tip? 🙂
Bill "today's ride first in a week WITHOUT seeing a rattler" S.
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"Cleanbean" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I usually hear them moving through the brush and don't see many but I did over the weekend. > {snip}
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That's some trail critter, Texas style! Re your question, that's a good one. I'll bet the general rule of thumb is to not ride out, but sit tight, so you don't vigorously stimulate blood flow & circulate the venom toward your heart, which is a no-no. I'd like to hear from somebody who knows Jack on the topic.
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first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom
Exctractor,
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sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Remove jewelry, Gracie? That so the EMT's get some trail swag as sort of
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Because if you don't, in conjunction with venom induced swelling, asphyxiation can occur, as can loss of appendages due to highly restricted blood flow, but you knew that.............
first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Exctractor, sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Seems the point was this: since he's on a bike, he has to CHOOSE whether to immobilize *OR* get to the EMS as fast as possible.
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first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Exctractor, sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Remove jewelry, Gracie? That so the EMT's get some trail swag as sort of a tip? 🙂 a rattler" S.
no--- that's in case of swelling.. .nothing like them having to try and cut a ring off when the hand is swelling...
first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Extractor, sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possible. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Seems the point was this: since he's on a bike, he has to CHOOSE whether to immobilize *OR* get to the EMS as fast as possible.
Depends on how far out you are I guess, and whether your local bike patrol is around, and whether they have a trailer gurney type thing,
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remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possilbe. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Remove jewelry, Gracie? That so the EMT's get some trail swag as sort
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Because if you don't, in conjunction with venom induced swelling, asphyxiation can occur, as can loss of appendages due to highly restricted blood flow, but you knew that.............
So one should remove one's rings from ALL one's appendages if one is bitten by a snake.
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first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Extractor, sort of a reverse syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if possible, and get to EMS as fas as possible. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Seems the point was this: since he's on a bike, he has to CHOOSE whether to immobilize *OR* get to the EMS as fast as possible.
Depends on how far out you are I guess, and whether your local bike patrol is around, and whether they have a trailer gurney type thing,
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The area in which I saw the snake is about a 10 min. ride at easy pace to a point where EMS could get to. You would think the only way to really get bit by said reptile would be to be stopped and get bit by surprise or fall on top of one getting bit. I guess one would really not expect it but it is entirely possible. There are very few Mtbers where I ride and no patrols. You would think that with the heart rate already up around 150-160 bpm that to be still would be the best bet. Water down the head to cool down and slow heart rate. Landing a helicopter would not be out of the question since there are some open areas closer then the trailhead. I think I'd mention that to 911 if called. I just might get one of those venom extractors too!
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On Mon, 19 May 2003 20:47:42 -0700, Penny S. wrote:
> first of all snake bite kits are passe`, you want a Sawyer Venom Extractor, sort of a reverse > syringe device. Then, the basic rules are: stay calm, remove any jewelry, immobilize if > possible, and get to EMS as fas as possible. Mark bite with pen for ER.
Seems the point was this: since he's on a bike, he has to CHOOSE whether to immobilize *OR* get to the EMS as fast as possible.
Depends on how far out you are I guess, and whether your local bike patrol is around, and whether they have a trailer gurney type thing,
P.
The area in which I saw the snake is about a 10 min. ride at easy pace to a point where EMS could get to. You would think the only way to really get bit by said reptile would be to be stopped and get bit by surprise or fall on top of one getting bit. I guess one would really not expect it but it is entirely possible. There are very few Mtbers where I ride and no patrols. You would think that with the heart rate already up around 150-160 bpm that to be still would be the best bet. Water down the head to cool down and slow heart rate. Landing a helicopter would not be out of the question since there are some open areas closer then the trailhead. I think I'd mention that to 911 if called. I just might get one of those venom extractors too!
Cleanbean
Bst bet is not to ride alone. The main reason most people get bi by snakes is because they mess with them. If you see a snake ont he trail, stop a good distance away and alert anyone coming down the trail. With a few people around a snake will usually move off the trail into a more secluded area. Do NOT try to move the snake off of the trail or kill it. You are not the crocodile hunter and the snake will bite you. Also, the cut and suck poison extraction method doesn't really work that well. Best bet is to get medical help ASAP.
