RR: McDowell Mountains, West Side

I've been on that ride, rigid SS style. It's some kinda fun.

JD

GeeDubb said:

The last part of the ride is up to Sunrise point which is a 2 miles
climb, unrelenting and it's already 96F out. The rigid ss guy makes it
to the top first I believe as I'm bonking big time, pushing the bike
more than riding. WTF??? My strong point is my climbing ability but
something just blew up inside. I make it to the top with only two
female riders behind me. Overheated, slightly sick and the downhill
coming up is steep, loose and tagged with several switchback that if not
ridden properly can spell disaster for somebody in my condition.

Pan-i-cakes for bfast? That does me in every time.

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The downhill is smooth, made up of crushed granite so braking is
difficult w/o locking up the rear wheel but I managed, coming down near
the end of the group.

A fast road ride back to the parking area and we were off to Chompie's
for breakfast/lunch.

I got home, crashed for several hours, ate dinner, watched Ransom for
the umpteenth time and went to bed at 9 so I could get up and ride again
this morning. Twenty-five miles later and two [censored] riding
partners due to my inability to get my legs to move properly after
yesterday's bonk......but Scott had three flats to make up for it. Good
thing I carry two tubes.......

some pictures here

<http://www.pchospital.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3074&g2_navId=x4b762021>

Gary

Looks like a fit bunch there.

I did a metric century yesterday cause I just wasn't feeling the dirt love.

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I've been on that ride, rigid SS style. It's some kinda fun.

JD

funny thing is.....I had never heard about these trails and they've been
around for some fifteen years. Guess I was out of the loop before!

Except for the long climb up Sunrise a ss would have been great, I just
would have bonked earlier.

Gary

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GeeDubb said:

The last part of the ride is up to Sunrise point which is a 2 miles
climb, unrelenting and it's already 96F out. The rigid ss guy makes it
to the top first I believe as I'm bonking big time, pushing the bike more
than riding. WTF??? My strong point is my climbing ability but something
just blew up inside. I make it to the top with only two female riders
behind me. Overheated, slightly sick and the downhill coming up is steep,
loose and tagged with several switchback that if not ridden properly can
spell disaster for somebody in my condition.

Pan-i-cakes for bfast? That does me in every time.

actually, nothing for breakfast sans a Cliff bar then another just prior to
the climb. I don't do well riding after any food unless it has several
hours to go away.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The downhill is smooth, made up of crushed granite so braking is
difficult w/o locking up the rear wheel but I managed, coming down near
the end of the group.

A fast road ride back to the parking area and we were off to Chompie's
for breakfast/lunch.

I got home, crashed for several hours, ate dinner, watched Ransom for the
umpteenth time and went to bed at 9 so I could get up and ride again this
morning. Twenty-five miles later and two [censored] riding partners due
to my inability to get my legs to move properly after yesterday's
bonk......but Scott had three flats to make up for it. Good thing I
carry two tubes.......

some pictures here

<http://www.pchospital.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3074&g2_navId=x4b762021>
Gary

Looks like a fit bunch there.

I did a metric century yesterday cause I just wasn't feeling the dirt
love.

Yes some were in great shape and I actually felt good through about 1/2 mile
of the climb then ??? I've had that experience a couple of times and
thought I was well nourished but........

You were on the bike, that's what counts.

Gary

GeeDubb said:

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Quoted message said:

GeeDubb said:

The last part of the ride is up to Sunrise point which is a 2 miles
climb, unrelenting and it's already 96F out. The rigid ss guy
makes it to the top first I believe as I'm bonking big time,
pushing the bike more than riding. WTF??? My strong point is my
climbing ability but something just blew up inside. I make it to
the top with only two female riders behind me. Overheated, slightly
sick and the downhill coming up is steep, loose and tagged with
several switchback that if not ridden properly can spell disaster
for somebody in my condition.

Pan-i-cakes for bfast? That does me in every time.

actually, nothing for breakfast sans a Cliff bar then another just
prior to the climb. I don't do well riding after any food unless it
has several hours to go away.

Yeah. If I rode as fast as you do I'd puke too!!

Gary sayeth:

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I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me.

You do realize how incredibly sexist that statement is, right ?

TS

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GeeDubb said:

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GeeDubb wrote:
> The last part of the ride is up to Sunrise point which is a 2 miles
> climb, unrelenting and it's already 96F out. The rigid ss guy
> makes it to the top first I believe as I'm bonking big time,
> pushing the bike more than riding. WTF??? My strong point is my
> climbing ability but something just blew up inside. I make it to
> the top with only two female riders behind me. Overheated, slightly
> sick and the downhill coming up is steep, loose and tagged with
> several switchback that if not ridden properly can spell disaster
> for somebody in my condition.

Pan-i-cakes for bfast? That does me in every time.

actually, nothing for breakfast sans a Cliff bar then another just
prior to the climb. I don't do well riding after any food unless it
has several hours to go away.

Yeah. If I rode as fast as you do I'd puke too!!

I lost most of that speed with the collar bone break and time off. My
endurance sucks, my power sucks and even R-A-L has challenged me to a hill
climb......

I'm working on it though!

Gary

GeeDubb said:

It was a large gathering of some 25 people, both from Ride AZ and
MTBR-AZ. Group was rather diverse with half dozen ss (one full rigid), a
couple of people on downhill bikes, hardtails and FS. Four ladies
joined the group (thanks to Walt for organizing and keeping people on
the right trail).

<snip>

Cool. Sounds fun (minus the bonk and heat).

I was feeling pretty hot on my rides over the weekend. It got into the
mid 70's! 🙂

Matt

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Gary sayeth:

Quoted message said:

I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me.

You do realize how incredibly sexist that statement is, right ?

TS

I'm old school and I could give a [censored]. PC is for others which is why I'm
constantly getting in trouble for my mouth!

on the other hand, all of the ladies on this ride put me to shame with their
technical abilities and usually smoke me on the DH sections.

Gary

troutboy said:

Gary sayeth:

Quoted message said:

I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me.

You do realize how incredibly sexist that statement is, right ?

TS

I think the sexism element is in the eye of the beholder. I imagine he
didn't mean it in a demeaning way and the truth is, often (but not
always - I know some ladies who can kick my ass) men are faster than the
women. I think it was just an indicator of where he was in the group
which may not be his typical position.

Matt

troutboy said:

Gary sayeth:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me.

Quoted message said:

You do realize how incredibly sexist that statement is, right ?

You do realize how incredibly moronic that question is, right? (Hint: a
simple statement of fact, with no derogatory terms or any "code" language,
is just that -- factual.)

"So & so is a black guy."

"Racist!"

PC madness...

Sorni:

Quoted message said:

You do realize how incredibly moronic that question is, right? (Hint: a
simple statement of fact, with no derogatory terms or any "code" language,
is just that -- factual.)

Quoted message said:

"So & so is a black guy."

Quoted message said:

"Racist!"

Not the same at all. Saying "so and so is a woman" is a factual
statement. Saying I could only ride fast enough to beat 2 women, is
sexist (even if it was a fact that he did beat two riders, who happened
to be women). Here's a gauge: change the word female to blacks, or
Jews, or hispanics. Fact or racist/sexist statement ?

The way the sentence is written, and in the context of the Ride Report,
GD is saying he was having such a hard time that particular day that he
could only beat two (slow, crappy- inferred) women. That would be
considered sexist by most women I know.

Has Political Correctness gone awry ? In many cases, sure. But if you
you really think that question is moronic, your PC scale might need
some adjustment. Throw the statement around (in context) to several of
your female friends and see what they say. I know most of my female
friends would think it very sexist. You might be surprised.

I'm sure GD meant no offense by the wording and it was not malicious,
but intent is not always the test of a sexist or racist statement (e.g.
Fuzzy Zoeller re: Tiger Woods).

Maybe Carla or Penny care to weigh in.

TS

troutboy said:

Sorni:

Quoted message said:

You do realize how incredibly moronic that question is, right? (Hint: a
simple statement of fact, with no derogatory terms or any "code" language,
is just that -- factual.)

Quoted message said:

"So & so is a black guy."

Quoted message said:

"Racist!"

Not the same at all. Saying "so and so is a woman" is a factual
statement. Saying I could only ride fast enough to beat 2 women, is
sexist (even if it was a fact that he did beat two riders, who happened
to be women). Here's a gauge: change the word female to blacks, or
Jews, or hispanics. Fact or racist/sexist statement ?

"I make it to the top with only two first-timers behind me." Offensive
to first-timers?

Quoted message said:

The way the sentence is written, and in the context of the Ride Report,
GD is saying he was having such a hard time that particular day that he
could only beat two (slow, crappy- inferred) women. That would be
considered sexist by most women I know.

Has Political Correctness gone awry ? In many cases, sure. But if you
you really think that question is moronic, your PC scale might need
some adjustment. Throw the statement around (in context) to several of
your female friends and see what they say. I know most of my female
friends would think it very sexist. You might be surprised.

I'm sure GD meant no offense by the wording and it was not malicious,
but intent is not always the test of a sexist or racist statement (e.g.
Fuzzy Zoeller re: Tiger Woods).

Maybe Carla or Penny care to weigh in.

You're psycho. Maybe Penny or Carla will be offended but none of my
female riding partners would be.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

troutboy said:

Sorni:

Quoted message said:

You do realize how incredibly moronic that question is, right?
(Hint: a simple statement of fact, with no derogatory terms or any
"code" language, is just that -- factual.)

Quoted message said:

"So & so is a black guy."

Quoted message said:

"Racist!"

Not the same at all. Saying "so and so is a woman" is a factual
statement. Saying I could only ride fast enough to beat 2 women, is
sexist (even if it was a fact that he did beat two riders, who
happened to be women). Here's a gauge: change the word female to
blacks, or Jews, or hispanics. Fact or racist/sexist statement ?

The way the sentence is written, and in the context of the Ride
Report, GD is saying he was having such a hard time that particular
day that he could only beat two (slow, crappy- inferred) women. That
would be considered sexist by most women I know.

Has Political Correctness gone awry ? In many cases, sure. But if
you you really think that question is moronic, your PC scale might
need some adjustment. Throw the statement around (in context) to
several of your female friends and see what they say. I know most of
my female friends would think it very sexist. You might be surprised.

I'm sure GD meant no offense by the wording and it was not malicious,
but intent is not always the test of a sexist or racist statement
(e.g. Fuzzy Zoeller re: Tiger Woods).

Maybe Carla or Penny care to weigh in.

TS

All I went by is the quote you provided (sans ANY context): {Hell, you've
snipped even THAT now. I'll go get it.}

"I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me."

If indeed he meant it the way you describe (no way to tell since you deleted
everything but that), then guess what -- you're still wrong. It's
/generally/ true that strong, healthy male riders will be somewhat faster
than strong, healthy female riders. It's not sexist; it's biological (and
biomechanical). Of course, some women are damned fast and strong and will
kick many males' asses. That's called...well, sexy as hell! (As well as
humbling.)

Unless there's more to this between you two than your post indicates, then
you're simply incorrect and way off base.

Bill S.

Quoted message said:

All I went by is the quote you provided (sans ANY context): {Hell, you've
snipped even THAT now. I'll go get it.}

I see no need to quote an extensive RR report for one line. The report
was there to read. I think reading the report should be expected
before commenting on the context.

Quoted message said:

"I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me."

Quoted message said:

If indeed he meant it the way you describe (no way to tell since you deleted
everything but that), then guess what -- you're still wrong. It's
/generally/ true that strong, healthy male riders will be somewhat faster
than strong, healthy female riders. It's not sexist; it's biological (and
biomechanical). Of course, some women are damned fast and strong and will
kick many males' asses. That's called...well, sexy as hell! (As well as
humbling.)

Again, how he meant it is irrelevant. It is how is it perceived. That
is the standard question to be asked when
determining if a statement/action is sexist/racist/or can be perceived
as sexual harrassment (although
the latter is clearly not applicable here).

Humbling ? Why should it be ? Humbling because a RIDER is better than
me, yes. Humbling because a WOMAN is better than me...
Well, that's the crux of the argument, no ?

Quoted message said:

Unless there's more to this between you two than your post indicates, then
you're simply incorrect and way off base.

There is no animosity between myself and Gary (I hope), I certainly
hold none toward Gary or anyone else on the group. I thought he might
have missed his comment could be perceived as sexist. It does not say
anything about Gary as a person, for (as I said) a comment can be
sexist/racist without the person intending it to be so.

How about we agree to disagree ? And note, I never called anyone an
idiot, psycho, or any other derogatory term (although I will admit I
can see how someone might think I was calling Gary a sexist - I was
not, merely stating his statement might be construed as such.

I should have worded that differently.

I really can never understand why people immediatley resort to such
behavior instead of posing a friendly, rational, discussion.

T

troutboy said:

I really can never understand why people immediatley resort to such
behavior instead of posing a friendly, rational, discussion.

Irony is sweet, you finger-pointing goober.

JD

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All I went by is the quote you provided (sans ANY context): {Hell,
you've
snipped even THAT now. I'll go get it.}

I see no need to quote an extensive RR report for one line. The report
was there to read. I think reading the report should be expected
before commenting on the context.

Quoted message said:

"I make it to the top with only two female riders behind me."

Quoted message said:

If indeed he meant it the way you describe (no way to tell since you
deleted
everything but that), then guess what -- you're still wrong. It's
/generally/ true that strong, healthy male riders will be somewhat faster
than strong, healthy female riders. It's not sexist; it's biological (and
biomechanical). Of course, some women are damned fast and strong and will
kick many males' asses. That's called...well, sexy as hell! (As well as
humbling.)

Again, how he meant it is irrelevant. It is how is it perceived. That
is the standard question to be asked when
determining if a statement/action is sexist/racist/or can be perceived
as sexual harrassment (although
the latter is clearly not applicable here).

Humbling ? Why should it be ? Humbling because a RIDER is better than
me, yes. Humbling because a WOMAN is better than me...
Well, that's the crux of the argument, no ?

Quoted message said:

Unless there's more to this between you two than your post indicates, then
you're simply incorrect and way off base.

There is no animosity between myself and Gary (I hope), I certainly
hold none toward Gary or anyone else on the group. I thought he might
have missed his comment could be perceived as sexist. It does not say
anything about Gary as a person, for (as I said) a comment can be
sexist/racist without the person intending it to be so.

How about we agree to disagree ? And note, I never called anyone an
idiot, psycho, or any other derogatory term (although I will admit I
can see how someone might think I was calling Gary a sexist - I was
not, merely stating his statement might be construed as such.

I should have worded that differently.

I really can never understand why people immediatley resort to such
behavior instead of posing a friendly, rational, discussion.

T

After reading the replies by all, I guess I really should have said that
only two riders (no specifics as to who they were) were behind me at the
finish of the climb, not to mention the other 3 or 4 that turned back before
making the top. Then again, that's what gives me my charm.......

Gary (usually not pc)

GeeDubb said:

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I lost most of that speed with the collar bone break and time off. My
endurance sucks, my power sucks and even R-A-L has challenged me to a
hill climb......

I'll have some good practice area for it very soon.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

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Quoted message said:

GeeDubb said:

Quoted message said:

I lost most of that speed with the collar bone break and time off. My
endurance sucks, my power sucks and even R-A-L has challenged me to a
hill climb......

I'll have some good practice area for it very soon.

blah, blah, blah.........believe when I see!

what part of Denver metro?

I have an uncle that lives in Colombine High, er, Littleton. I haven't seen
him in ??? Good excuse to come visit you/him!

Gary