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  1. Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me. I
    started off slow and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I felt
    like I could run forever. Of course my overall time was cr*p
    but what do you expect if you listen to Doug? ;-)

    The LG is a 28 mile trial/hill race from Braemar to Aviemore
    that climbs to 2,700 ft over one of Scotland's more remote
    mountain passes. The are no escape routes so you either
    finish or go back to the beginning. After having messed up
    in Edinburgh I was really pleased to feel so good during and
    after a race. My hydration and nutrition stratagy worked
    really well and even after 4 hours on my feet, I still felt
    like I could run forever.

    Finished in 4:58 (about 2/3s of the way down the field). I
    would have liked to have finished higher but I'm very happy
    to have finished feeling really good.

    The race itself is about 10 miles of easy run in, about 12
    miles of hellish boulders, rivers, mud and more boulders
    followed by 6 relatively easy miles into Aviemore.

    Definitely worth a look if you find yourself in
    Scotland in June.

    Tim
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  2. Tim Downie said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me. I
    started off slow and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I
    felt like I could run forever. Of course my overall time
    was cr*p but what do you expect if you listen to Doug? ;-)


    <snip more race report>

    Quoted message said:


    The race itself is about 10 miles of easy run in, about 12
    miles of hellish boulders, rivers, mud and more boulders
    followed by 6 relatively easy miles into Aviemore.

    What, no pictures? 😉

    Nice run, Tim! Sounds like you're really starting to get the
    feel for these longer distances and trails - the effort,
    food and fluid. Congrats!

    Dot

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  3. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me. I
    started off


    slow

    Quoted message said:

    and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I felt like I could
    run forever.


    Of

    Quoted message said:

    course my overall time was cr*p but what do you expect if
    you listen


    to

    Quoted message said:

    Doug? ;-)

    Now you have experienced redlining and likely a little slow.
    The truly hard part of the long stuff is to find that ideal
    pace yet err on the conservative side. I remember my first
    real attempt at negative splits in a marathon. Back then I
    could run a 38 10k and during this one marathon ran a 42
    minute last 10k. Sure, I was very negative on the splits but
    it taught me a lesson that I have used for umpteenth years
    that works for almost all my races - finish strong and in
    the top 25% and snag some occasional iron.

    Good show!!!

    Ain't it grand to finish strong? 😉

    Quoted message said:

    Definitely worth a look if you find yourself in Scotland
    in June.

    Send some plane tickets and I'll run it with you. 🙂

    -DougF

  4. Tim Downie said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me. I
    started off slow and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I felt
    like I could run forever. Of course my overall time was
    cr*p but what do you expect if you listen to Doug? ;-)


    ......

    Quoted message said:

    Finished in 4:58 (about 2/3s of the way down the field). I
    would have liked to have finished higher but I'm very happy
    to have finished feeling really good.


    Yeah - finding the balance between feeling great and
    finishing strong and running your fastest possible time.
    I'm still struggling with that equation, but with each race
    you learn something and hopefully move closer to the
    optimum pace

    It sounds and looks (thanks for pics) like a great race.
    Well done!

    Anthony.

  5. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me. I
    started off


    slow

    Quoted message said:

    and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I felt like I could
    run forever. Of course my overall time was cr*p but what
    do you expect if you listen to Doug? ;-)

    Jeeze, Timmy, you're turning into quite the little runner,
    aren't you? Now, all we need to do to complete your
    transformation into an all-round-decent-chap is for you to
    lose the fixation that it's necessary to race to become a
    real runner. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that you
    haven't actually *become* a runner until you can walk away
    from a racing with a sly smile, yet still maintain your
    enthusiasm and committment to training and running in wild
    and beautiful locations.

    Look at your photos. How much more attractive and meaningful
    would they be if they didn't have other runners cluttering
    up the views? If it was just you and the mountains? *You*
    determing where and when you ran?

    Oh, and ditch the lycra. You know it makes sense...

  6. "Dot" <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Tim Downie said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me.
    I started off


    slow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs I felt like I could
    run forever. Of course my overall time was cr*p but what
    do you expect if you listen to Doug? ;-)


    <snip more race report>

    Quoted message said:


    The race itself is about 10 miles of easy run in, about
    12 miles of


    hellish

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    boulders, rivers, mud and more boulders followed by 6
    relatively easy


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    into Aviemore.

    What, no pictures? 😉

    Fear not! As soon as they're back from the developers you
    shall have them. ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Nice run, Tim! Sounds like you're really starting to get
    the feel for these longer distances and trails - the
    effort, food and fluid. Congrats!

    Thanks Dot. It was just one of those races where everything
    went right and I'm still grinning like an idiot whenever I
    think about it. Can't wait to do another one.

    Tim

  7. Dot said:

    What, no pictures? 😉

    You asked for them... ;-)

    I haven't attempted yet to put them together into a web page
    but here they are.

    Me (and 80 others) at the start outside Braemar police
    station. I'm the fool on the far right (no. 11) grinning
    like and idiot and wearing the baseball cap. The lady with
    the dog (no 19) was the first lady home (as she was last
    week in the 95 mile West Highland Way race).
    zen31010.zen.co.ukstart.jpg

    A few deer on the banks of the river Dee on the way up.
    zen31010.zen.co.ukScanIm
    age001.jpg

    My running partner in crime on the left on the road up to
    Mar Lodge. zen31010.zen.co.ukzen31010.zen.co.uk
    ScanImage002.jpg

    My running partner display his rather curious running form
    with a view up the Dee valley behind zen31010.ze-zen31010.ze-
    n.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage003.jpg

    At last! We go off road after about 4.5 miles. z-z-
    en31010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage004.jpg

    Getting into the hills proper now. zen31010.zen.-zen31010.zen.-
    co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage005.jpg

    A really embarassing one of me. God, why *did* I have to go
    and put my hand on my hip like that?? zen31010.z-zen31010.z-
    en.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage006.jpg

    Keep straight on to the end of the valley and then turn
    right. zen31010.zen.co.ukScan
    Image007.jpg

    A fellow runner of the female persuassion. zen31-zen31-
    010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage008.jpg

    Approaching the top of the pass. zen31010.zen.co-zen31010.zen.co-
    .uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage009.jpg

    Not the easiest of footing! zen31010.zen.co.uki
    mages/LairigGhru/ScanImage010.jpg

    Two Deeside Runners appropriately at the Pools of Dee,
    the headwaters of the river Dee. (This is the top of the
    pass) zen31010.zen.co.ukSc
    anImage011.jpg

    Aviemore in sight at last! (That faint horizontal line in
    the distance) zen31010.zen.co.ukLairigGh
    ru/ScanImage012.jpg

    Runners descending from the pass. zen31010.zen.c-zen31010.zen.c-
    o.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage013.jpg

    Me dicing with traffic in Aviemore main street having just
    seen the finish line ahead of me. (Just by that blue lamp
    post)
    zen31010.zen.co.ukfinish.jpg

    Don't you wish you hadn't asked now? ;-)

    Tim

    Quoted message said:


    Nice run, Tim! Sounds like you're really starting to get
    the feel for these longer distances and trails - the
    effort, food and fluid. Congrats!

    Dot

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  8. Anthony said:
    Tim Downie said:

    Finished in 4:58 (about 2/3s of the way down the field).
    I would have liked to have finished higher but I'm very
    happy to have finished feeling really good.


    Yeah - finding the balance between feeling great and
    finishing strong and running your fastest possible time.
    I'm still struggling with that equation, but with each
    race you learn something and hopefully move closer to the
    optimum pace

    In retrospect, I don't think I did that badly. It was a
    pretty elite (well *relatively* elite) group than ran it. No
    fun runners and not a lot a spare fat to be seen on any of
    the runners. There was a pretty strong *discouragement* to
    run it on the entry form if you couldn't easily run a sub
    4hr marathon.

    Quoted message said:


    It sounds and looks (thanks for pics) like a great race.
    Well done!

    Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the pictures.

    Tim

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  9. np426z said:

    "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, what can I say, Doug would have been proud of me.
    I started off slow and finished fast. Even after 4 hrs
    I felt like I could run forever. Of course my overall
    time was cr*p but what do you expect if you listen to
    Doug? ;-)

    Jeeze, Timmy, you're turning into quite the little runner,
    aren't you?

    See what happens when you disappear for a couple of months?
    You miss all the fun. ;-) Truth be told, it's been rather
    dull here in your absence.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Look at your photos. How much more attractive and
    meaningful would they be if they didn't have other runners
    cluttering up the views?

    With my little cr*p disposable camera, without a bit of
    foreground interest, they'd have been even duller. Scenic
    grandeur is all very well but you do need something for the
    hill to look grand against.

    Quoted message said:

    If it was just you and the mountains? *You* determing
    where and when you ran?

    Given my relative lack of mountain craft, I'm kind of
    reassured by having other runners and mountain rescue on
    hand. ;-) One day perhaps.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and ditch the lycra. You know it makes sense...

    What, and risk inflaming your ardour even more? No thanks,
    I'll try and keep myself moderately repulsive. ;-)

    Tim

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  10. Great pics! And congrats on the race! Glad it felt so good,
    that's good planning. Thanks so much for sending the report
    and pics, lots of fun to read and see!

    (Except I still can't run long and want to sooo bad!)

    Teresa in AZ

    Tim Downie said:
    Dot said:

    What, no pictures? 😉

    You asked for them... ;-)

    I haven't attempted yet to put them together into a web
    page but here they are.

    Me (and 80 others) at the start outside Braemar police
    station. I'm the fool on the far right (no. 11) grinning
    like and idiot and wearing the baseball cap. The lady with
    the dog (no 19) was the first lady home (as she was last
    week in the 95 mile West Highland Way race).
    zen31010.zen.co.ukstart.jpg

    A few deer on the banks of the river Dee on the way up.
    zen31010.zen.co.ukScanImag
    e001.jpg

    My running partner in crime on the left on the road up to
    Mar Lodge. zen31010.zen.co.ukLairigGhr
    u/ScanImage002.jpg

    My running partner display his rather curious running form
    with a view up the Dee valley behind zen31010.-zen31010.-
    zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage003.jpg

    At last! We go off road after about 4.5 miles. www-www-
    .zen31010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage004.jpg

    Getting into the hills proper now. zen31010.ze-zen31010.ze-
    n.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage005.jpg

    A really embarassing one of me. God, why *did* I have to
    go and put my hand on my hip like that?? zen31-zen31-
    010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage006.jpg

    Keep straight on to the end of the valley and then turn
    right. zen31010.zen.co.ukSc
    anImage007.jpg

    A fellow runner of the female persuassion. zen-zen-
    31010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage008.jpg

    Approaching the top of the pass. zen31010.zen.-zen31010.zen.-
    co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage009.jpg

    Not the easiest of footing! zen31010.zen.co.uk-zen31010.zen.co.uk-
    /images/LairigGhru/ScanImage010.jpg

    Two Deeside Runners appropriately at the Pools of Dee,
    the headwaters of the river Dee. (This is the top of the
    pass) zen31010.zen.co.ukSc
    anImage011.jpg

    Aviemore in sight at last! (That faint horizontal line in
    the distance) zen31010.zen.co.ukLairig
    Ghru/ScanImage012.jpg

    Runners descending from the pass. zen31010.zen-zen31010.zen-
    .co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage013.jpg

    Me dicing with traffic in Aviemore main street having
    just seen the finish line ahead of me. (Just by that blue
    lamp post) zen31010.zen.co.ukLairigGh
    ru/finish.jpg

    Don't you wish you hadn't asked now? ;-)

    Tim

    Quoted message said:

    Nice run, Tim! Sounds like you're really starting to get
    the feel for these longer distances and trails - the
    effort, food and fluid. Congrats!

    Dot

  11. Tim Downie said:
    Dot said:

    What, no pictures? 😉

    You asked for them... ;-)

    I haven't attempted yet to put them together into a web
    page but here they are.

    [OT] Not sure what you usually use for web pages, but I've
    been using ThumbsPlus (www.cerious.com) (NFI) for many years
    to organize photos and more recently to make web pages for
    photos for race reports. (One of my funding agencies has
    expected photo documentation of vegetation changes on
    revegetated mine sites across the years, sooo I've had to
    find some method of organizing and searching 1000s of
    images, including off-line
    CDs.) It has a field for annotations like you've included
    here as well as user-defined fields - like race name,
    location, date, etc. Once images are documented in your
    database, then it's fairly easy to generate a web page
    with the desired annotations or fields - about a half
    dozen or so mouse clicks, iirc. It's also easy to
    resample the images to get from a 2mb digital camera
    image to 50-150k for web use. I've been using it to
    document many of the trails that I've been running
    - esp. if scouting for a race so the rocks and roots don't
    get bigger and bigger over time in my mind 🙂

    [back on topic]

    Quoted message said:


    <snipped great pic urls>

    Quoted message said:


    Don't you wish you hadn't asked now? ;-)


    Actually, I'm *very* glad I asked! Looks like some nice
    country to go running through! Thanks. 🙂

    It's interesting because I was curious about you having
    alpine vegetation at 2700 ft (which seemed low to me), then
    I realized that's about 57 N latitude, we're about 61.5, and
    Adirondacks (upper New York state, near Canadian border) are
    about 44 N lat. So you're a lot closer to us than to lower
    48 as far as latitude goes - and hence vegetation
    distribution. We probably get into alpine veg about 3000ft,
    whereas Ads are probably upper 4000s ft (iirc), and Colorado
    treeline (39-40 N lat, at least where I spent most of my
    time) is around 11,000 ft or so, depending on north or south-
    facing slope.

    Is that vegetation typical in that area? or is it a function
    of wind and/or rocks or ...? It reminded me of some of the
    stuff near 3-4000 ft around here (Sorry for the vegetation
    diversion, but I'm inherently curious about such things and
    why I run trails.)

    Thanks again for the pictures - and resultant
    geography lesson.

    And, yep, you can still keep grinning for a few more days 🙂

    Dot

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    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  12. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Me (and 80 others) at the start outside Braemar police
    station. I'm the fool on the far right (no. 11) grinning
    like and idiot and wearing the baseball cap.

    Well, one almost sees you flat on your face in the
    next shot...

    An unexpectedly low-key setting for a race start, though -
    not even a "Start"-banner across the street!

    Quoted message said:

    The lady with the dog (no 19) was the first lady home (as
    she was last week in the 95 mile West Highland Way race).
    zen31010.zen.co.ukstart.jpg

    The dog is really raring to go and I suppose he enjoyed the
    rest of the race as much as his mistress - and I assume
    other runners are not unaccustomed to his presence?

    BTW I can still claim I´ve never been beaten in a race by
    a canine:-)

    Quoted message said:

    My running partner display his rather curious running form
    with a view up the Dee valley behind zen31010.-zen31010.-
    zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage003.jpg

    Well, if it gets him to the finish (and to the start without
    getting injured), it must be OK for him, no matter how odd
    his way of "carrying" his arms may look to us!

    Quoted message said:

    A really embarassing one of me. God, why *did* I have to
    go and put my hand on my hip like that?? zen31-zen31-
    010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage006.jpg

    Good heavens, it´s not the position of your hand, but the
    position of your *hip* that makes you look like <insert the
    name of your favourite Queen of Camp here>:-)

    OTOH someone who has the balls to include such a picture of
    himself *must* have *really* big cojones...

    Quoted message said:

    Not the easiest of footing! zen31010.zen.co.uk-zen31010.zen.co.uk-
    /images/LairigGhru/ScanImage010.jpg

    This boulder field could easily be on a fjellside in Finnish
    Lapland (where it would be called a "rakka"😉 and I´d imagine
    that it was/is created in a similar process of erosion.

    In Lapland the fjells are few and far between and usually
    not as steep as the mountains in the photographs, and
    instead of foothills there is mostly flat forest or peat-
    land - but apart from that many of the pictures could´ve
    been taken there:-)

    That there aren´t really any trail races in Lapland is only
    partly explained by the rather huge distance from any
    centers of population (once you make the journey, you´ll
    rather hike for days or weeks rather than make a quick dash
    - but the Swedes have at least two (an "Arctic Mountain
    Marathon" and an "Extreme Marathon"😉 or by the self-evident
    assumption that if you like to run outside of roads, you
    will choose orienteering as your sport.

    (If only I´d nailed that sub-3, I could now be contently
    running in a forest with a map and a compass in my hand ...)

    Anders

  13. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    See what happens when you disappear for a couple of
    months? You miss all the fun. ;-) Truth be told, it's been
    rather dull here in your absence.

    Oh, I don't know, you seem to have kept yourself going
    without my help.

    BTW, how did your eldest do in the exams? Does Uni beckon?
    If so, which one?

    Quoted message said:

    With my little cr*p disposable camera, without a bit of
    foreground


    interest,

    Quoted message said:

    they'd have been even duller. Scenic grandeur is all very
    well but you


    do

    Quoted message said:

    need something for the hill to look grand against.

    Piffle. The Lairig Ghru looks fine without splotchy runners
    littering the tracks.

    Quoted message said:

    Given my relative lack of mountain craft, I'm kind of
    reassured by having other runners and mountain rescue on
    hand. ;-) One day perhaps.

    Choose a sunny day with a good forecast and you'll be fine.
    There are plently of walkers to assist if things go pear
    shaped, and mobiles work well for most of the route.

    Quoted message said:

    What, and risk inflaming your ardour even more? No thanks,
    I'll try and keep myself moderately repulsive. ;-)

    Timmy, my love for you couldn't be stronger, even if you
    turned into Uma Thurman wearing a t-shirt with the logo
    'Shag me NOW please Roger.' emblazoned across her
    spectacularly cute chest.

  14. Dot said:
    Tim Downie said:
    Dot said:

    What, no pictures? 😉

    You asked for them... ;-)

    I haven't attempted yet to put them together into a web
    page but here they are.

    [OT] Not sure what you usually use for web pages, but I've
    been using ThumbsPlus (www.cerious.com) (NFI) for many
    years to organize photos and more recently to make web
    pages for photos for race reports.

    Well I do have software. It's more a case of not being
    motivated enough to climb the learning curve yet. ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Don't you wish you hadn't asked now? ;-)


    Actually, I'm *very* glad I asked! Looks like some nice
    country to go running through! Thanks. 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Is that vegetation typical in that area? or is it a
    function of wind and/or rocks or ...?

    Pretty typical of much of Scotland. You don't have to climb
    particularly high to find it. Ling heather covers most of
    the Scottish hills
    (habitas.org.ukphoto.asp) and
    blaeberries are very common too up Deeside.
    (treesforlife.org.uktfl.blaeberry.html)

    Quoted message said:

    It reminded me of some of the stuff near 3-4000 ft around
    here (Sorry for the vegetation diversion, but I'm
    inherently curious about such things and why I run
    trails.)

    Don't apologise, I'm just sorry I'm not a bit more
    botanically savvy myself.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks again for the pictures - and resultant
    geography lesson.

    And, yep, you can still keep grinning for a few more days
    🙂

    I still feel so good I feel a 43 miler coming on in
    August....

    Tim
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  15. Anders Lustig said:

    "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    An unexpectedly low-key setting for a race start, though -
    not even a "Start"-banner across the street!

    "Start" banners?! Your clubs must have money to burn. ;-)
    The finish line was a parked car with a crayoned "Finish"
    sign in the windscreen.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The lady with the dog (no 19) was the first lady home (as
    she was last week in the 95 mile West Highland Way race).
    zen31010.zen.co.ukstart.jpg

    The dog is really raring to go and I suppose he enjoyed
    the rest of the race as much as his mistress - and I
    assume other runners are not unaccustomed to his presence?

    He a well known mutt who runs all the ultra races with his
    owner. I don't think anyone would dare object!

    Quoted message said:


    BTW I can still claim I´ve never been beaten in a race by
    a canine:-)

    I think he could give you a pretty good run for your money.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A really embarassing one of me. God, why *did* I have to
    go and put my hand on my hip like that?? zen3-zen3-
    1010.zen.co.uk/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage006.jpg

    Good heavens, it´s not the position of your hand, but the
    position of your *hip* that makes you look like <insert
    the name of your favourite Queen of Camp here>:-)

    You are by no means the first to point that out. And I dare
    say, not the last. ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    OTOH someone who has the balls to include such a picture
    of himself *must* have *really* big cojones...

    You'd better believe it.....;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Not the easiest of footing! zen31010.zen.co.u-zen31010.zen.co.u-
    k/images/LairigGhru/ScanImage010.jpg

    This boulder field could easily be on a fjellside in
    Finnish Lapland (where it would be called a "rakka"😉 and
    I´d imagine that it was/is created in a similar process of
    erosion.

    I think it's repeated freeze fracturing of the rock on
    either side of the valley. Being a narrow valley, all the
    pieces just pile up in the bottom.

    Quoted message said:


    In Lapland the fjells are few and far between and usually
    not as steep as the mountains in the photographs, and
    instead of foothills there is mostly flat forest or peat-
    land - but apart from that many of the pictures could´ve
    been taken there:-)

    That there aren´t really any trail races in Lapland is
    only partly explained by the rather huge distance from any
    centers of population (once you make the journey, you´ll
    rather hike for days or weeks rather than make a quick
    dash - but the Swedes have at least two (an "Arctic
    Mountain Marathon" and an "Extreme Marathon"😉 or by the
    self-evident assumption that if you like to run outside of
    roads, you will choose orienteering as your sport.

    In the big scheme of things, Scotland is *small* and that
    means that there are plenty of opportunities for A to B type
    races. When distance from A to B become just too great, I
    can see why it might seem a bit pointless driving a long way
    to A say, running for miles, and then finishing in A
    (because the next decent B is just too far).

    Speaking of A to B, I've posted my cheque off for Tyndrum to
    Fort William on the 7th of August.

    Cheers.

    Tim

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  16. np426z said:

    "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    BTW, how did your eldest do in the exams? Does Uni beckon?
    If so, which one?

    Dunno yet. She's only just done her standard grades (she's
    in S4) so Uni doesn't beckon yet.

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    With my little cr*p disposable camera, without a bit of
    foreground interest, they'd have been even duller. Scenic
    grandeur is all very well but you do need something for
    the hill to look grand against.

    Piffle. The Lairig Ghru looks fine without splotchy
    runners littering the tracks.

    Then we'll just have to agree to differ. What it really
    *could* do without is nutters dragging bicycles through it.
    Now they really do make the place look untidy. ;-)

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    Given my relative lack of mountain craft, I'm kind of
    reassured by having other runners and mountain rescue on
    hand. ;-) One day perhaps.

    Choose a sunny day with a good forecast and you'll be
    fine. There are plently of walkers to assist if things go
    pear shaped, and mobiles work well for most of the route.

    Hmm... I think I'd rather die of shame than admit to being
    unprepared for the conditions. Once I get my gear sorted
    out a bit better and improve my navigational skills I'll
    be happier.

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    What, and risk inflaming your ardour even more? No
    thanks, I'll try and keep myself moderately
    repulsive. ;-)

    Timmy, my love for you couldn't be stronger, even if you
    turned into Uma Thurman wearing a t-shirt with the logo
    'Shag me NOW please Roger.' emblazoned across her
    spectacularly cute chest.

    Quick, please tell me what other running gear you hate.
    Clearly I'm not repulsive enough. How about one of those one-
    piece tri suits?

    Tim

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  17. Tim Downie said:

    Pretty typical of much of Scotland. You don't have to
    climb particularly high to find it. Ling heather covers
    most of the Scottish hills
    (habitas.org.ukphoto.asp) and
    blaeberries are very common too up Deeside.
    (treesforlife.org.uktfl.blaeberry.html)

    Thanks for the links. The Trees for Life site has some neat
    stuff that I'll have to spend more time reading.

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    I still feel so good I feel a 43 miler coming on in
    August....

    Go for it!

    Dot

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    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  18. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Start" banners?! Your clubs must have money to burn. ;-)

    Well, the same set of banners can be used for years and it
    is usually donated by a sponsor (which is usually the local
    branch of a major bank).

    Actually, my club requests that the runners return the
    number bibs and the safety pins so that they can be
    re- used:-)

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    This boulder field could easily be on a fjellside in
    Finnish Lapland (where it would be called a "rakka"😉 and
    I´d imagine that it was/is created in a similar process
    of erosion.

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    I think it's repeated freeze fracturing of the rock on
    either side of the valley. Being a narrow valley, all the
    pieces just pile up in the bottom.

    They don´t ususally wander far in any case:-) But, yes, that
    is the process. (I was too lazy to look up what
    "kylmärapautuminen" could be in English...)

    Quoted message said:

    Speaking of A to B, I've posted my cheque off for Tyndrum
    to Fort William on the 7th of August.

    You know, a bit of googling first brought me to the West
    Higland Way Race..."He must be off his rocker!"...but the
    Devil O´ The Highlands Footrace probably warrants a "He must
    be mad!", too:-)

    Anders

  19. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Dunno yet. She's only just done her standard grades (she's
    in S4) so Uni doesn't beckon yet.

    Uh? You're adopting a rather cavalier attitude to her
    future. Both of mine have already indicated their Uni of
    choice (St A. and Glasgow for Big and Baby respectively)
    though neither has a clue what they'd like to study. Big
    seem geared towards the sciences by nature, whereas Baby may
    well major in street-brawling (maybe that's why he favours
    Glasgow?).

    Quoted message said:

    Then we'll just have to agree to differ. What it really
    *could* do


    without

    Quoted message said:

    is nutters dragging bicycles through it. Now they really
    do make the


    place

    Quoted message said:

    look untidy. ;-)

    Yup, I'll have to agree with you on that one. If you can't
    ride it there, it shouldn't be there.

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm... I think I'd rather die of shame than admit to being
    unprepared for the conditions. Once I get my gear sorted
    out a bit better and improve my navigational skills I'll
    be happier.

    Anyone with a scap of sense won't go far wrong in the
    Scottish hills. The 'safely' aspect is completely over-
    hyped. After all, it's the Cairngorms not the Caucuses

    Quoted message said:

    Quick, please tell me what other running gear you hate.
    Clearly I'm not repulsive enough. How about one of those
    one-piece tri suits?

    Running things I HATE? OK. Select from:

    Timex (or any) GPS time distance thingie. Dark socks teamed
    with light-coloured running shoes. The aforementioned one-
    piece tri-suit. Hats. Of any sort. Vests. Of any sort.
    Camelbacks. 'Running' drinks. Salt tablets (together with
    those who 'swear by them'. Hi, Doug.)

    'Running' dogs. Leaking shoes. Matching shorts+shirt combos.

    People who want you to stop and talk to them.

    Babes who won't talk you you while you run with them. Anyone
    who recounts their training schedule. Anyone who *has* a
    training schedule. Running shoes that get 'hot' - you know
    what I mean. Marathoners, as a species. They represent the
    botton feeders of the running community.

    I could go on but I'm sure you're getting bored. Perhaps we
    should return to this subject another day?

  20. "Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
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    Speaking of A to B, I've posted my cheque off for
    Tyndrum to Fort


    William on

    Quoted message said:
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    the 7th of August.

    You know, a bit of googling first brought me to the West
    Higland Way Race..."He must be off his rocker!"

    Not quite that crazy yet... although who knows in
    2006. (That's far enough away for almost anything to
    seem possible)

    Quoted message said:

    ...but the Devil O´ The Highlands Footrace probably
    warrants a "He must be mad!", too:-)

    I'm reserving judgement on my sanity until *after* the race.
    ;-)

    Tim

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