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  1. When most bikers think of the objective hazards of riding in West Virginia,
    rocks, roots, wet terrain, and steep hills come to mind. However, my friend
    Barbara and I encountered another of the West Virginia hazards on our recent
    foray in the Elkins area. The state motto "Almost Heaven" came a bit too
    close to being true.

    But I should begin at the beginning. My friend Barbara is a caving
    acquaintance from Washington, D.C. We met inadvertently when I was looking
    for some trails to ride in DC during a business earlier this year. She was
    the trail coordinator for some of the local trails. We had never met, but I
    recognized her name immediately (cavers are a small, tightly knit group of
    weirdos. Those of us who have been active cavers for any time know each
    other by name, if not by face). We rode during that business trip and have
    ridden and kept in contact since.

    We arranged to meet at a well known caver's gathering near Elkins, WV (Old
    Timer's Reunion) and ride some of the neat stuff near Davis and/or Spruce
    Knob. And meet we did. On Friday my wife and I drove from Elkins to Davis
    and did a short flat ride so she could become acquainted with her new toy.
    That ride was uneventful, a little cruise along a Forest Service road that
    parallels the Blackwater River. We then returned to Davis for some pizza and
    beer while waiting for Barbara to show. I got the lowdown (not the down
    low - which is very different) from the LBS on some single track right out
    of town. We tooled around on that for a couple of hours, doing some loops
    and dodging the rocks in the tall grass. The trail had seen some recent work
    and was OK, but to be honest we have better stuff here in Delaware. I
    suspect there is better stuff to be had in the area though.

    On Saturday morning we looked at our options for another ride. Some of us
    had a bit too much to drink the night before and we decided on a nice easy
    nearby ride on mostly double track with some single track thrown in. After
    some crazy maneuvers to extricate Barbara's truck from the massive confusion
    that Old Timer's becomes by Friday night (it involved several large men,
    most still drunk from the night before, picking up and relocating a car, the
    owner of which was nowhere to be found), we headed out to Cheat Mountain for
    our ride. The directions were unclear and we had a bit of trouble finding
    the starting point, so we finally just parked the car and started riding.

    The riding was pretty nice, an easy cruise on a gravel road along Shaver's
    Fork. The road eventually turned away from the creek and we began a long
    climb up the mountain (well, long by east-coast standards). I was really
    enjoying the climb. One thing we don't have in Delaware is long climbs with
    any semblance of elevation gain. We passed a couple of locals pulled into
    makeshift camp sites with their pop up trailers and checkered tablecloths on
    portable tables. Everyone seemed friendly enough (as almost all southern
    folk are, especially when they hear what's left of my Kentucky accent) and
    we exchanged hellos with them all.

    Finally, I could see the top of the hill come into view. Barbara was about
    100 yards behind me. This was good. The rest of the ride would be downhill
    or flat and the hard work was done. Now we could just enjoy the bright
    sunshine, perfect temps, and great views. As I crested the hill and just as
    I passed a gravel road going uphill and coming in at a 45 degree angle to my
    left I heard a crack. My first (albeit brief) thought was that Barbara had a
    blowout (on her tire, that is). A second, similar sound followed almost
    immediately, then a third. It was then I realized what the objects whizzing
    past me and through the trees were, and they weren't swallows from San Juan
    Capistrano. I took cover (or at least what cover there was) and waited. I
    could tell from the sound I was dealing with a small caliber rifle, probably
    a .22 or similar. High speed, but low weight projectiles, easily deflected
    by even small branches. That was good because all I had near me were small
    branches. After the first three shots, the shooting stopped. I could see a
    man and what appeared to be at least two kids about 200 yards away and I
    could hear the kids voices. Barbara was yelling for them to stop shooting,
    but I'm not convinced they could hear her because there was a steep
    embankment and a line of trees between them and her (I could barely hear her
    and I had no barrier between her and I). I waited awhile to try and assess
    what to do. I could hear the people reload, but this time they fired in a
    different direction. I heard Barbara yell for me and thought either she or
    the bike had been shot. I quickly rode back to her. She was OK and was just
    yelling to see if I was OK.

    As we were discussing or options (quickly) another couple of shots were
    fired; one must have ricocheted off a tree or two because I heard the round
    hit near where we stood. We were below the shooters with trees in between us
    and them. So either they were just shooting randomly and this one accidently
    came close or they had moved to the top of the embankment and were shooting
    at us from there. We did not wait around to find out. We headed downhill as
    fast as the terrain would allow (which was pretty fast). After a couple of
    miles I stopped looking back, but I never really relaxed until we were back
    in the truck and heading out.

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just "playing
    around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they would shoot
    downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was involved, no matter what.
    Perhaps it was the kids shooting and daddyo was too wasted to realize what
    they were doing. If they were shooting at us, I'm glad they were not as good
    a shot as I.

    The next day Barbara headed back home, stopping at Spruce Knob for some more
    adventure. I suppose I was adventured out. I spent the day wandering between
    a sauna, hot tub, and the cold creek drinking pina coladas and listening to
    my friends pick bluegrass.

    I'm looking forward to some more biking in West Virginia, but I think next
    time I'll stick to the safer rock- and log-strewn single track.

    For Barbara's account of the festivities and a couple of pics, visit her
    website:

    http://www.deepcaves.net/OTR_2005/OTR_2005.html

  2. troutboy said:

    When most bikers think of the objective hazards of riding in West
    Virginia, rocks, roots, wet terrain, and steep hills come to mind.
    However, my friend Barbara and I encountered another of the West
    Virginia hazards on our recent foray in the Elkins area. The state
    motto "Almost Heaven" came a bit too close to being true.

    But I should begin at the beginning. My friend Barbara is a caving
    acquaintance from Washington, D.C. We met inadvertently when I was
    looking for some trails to ride in DC during a business earlier this
    year. She was the trail coordinator for some of the local trails. We
    had never met, but I recognized her name immediately (cavers are a
    small, tightly knit group of weirdos. Those of us who have been
    active cavers for any time know each other by name, if not by face).
    We rode during that business trip and have ridden and kept in contact
    since.
    We arranged to meet at a well known caver's gathering near Elkins, WV
    (Old Timer's Reunion) and ride some of the neat stuff near Davis
    and/or Spruce Knob. And meet we did. On Friday my wife and I drove
    from Elkins to Davis and did a short flat ride so she could become
    acquainted with her new toy. That ride was uneventful, a little
    cruise along a Forest Service road that parallels the Blackwater
    River. We then returned to Davis for some pizza and beer while
    waiting for Barbara to show. I got the lowdown (not the down low - which
    is very different) from the LBS on some single track
    right out of town. We tooled around on that for a couple of hours,
    doing some loops and dodging the rocks in the tall grass. The trail
    had seen some recent work and was OK, but to be honest we have better
    stuff here in Delaware. I suspect there is better stuff to be had in
    the area though.
    On Saturday morning we looked at our options for another ride. Some
    of us had a bit too much to drink the night before and we decided on
    a nice easy nearby ride on mostly double track with some single track
    thrown in. After some crazy maneuvers to extricate Barbara's truck
    from the massive confusion that Old Timer's becomes by Friday night
    (it involved several large men, most still drunk from the night
    before, picking up and relocating a car, the owner of which was
    nowhere to be found), we headed out to Cheat Mountain for our ride.
    The directions were unclear and we had a bit of trouble finding the
    starting point, so we finally just parked the car and started riding.
    The riding was pretty nice, an easy cruise on a gravel road along
    Shaver's Fork. The road eventually turned away from the creek and we
    began a long climb up the mountain (well, long by east-coast
    standards). I was really enjoying the climb. One thing we don't have
    in Delaware is long climbs with any semblance of elevation gain. We
    passed a couple of locals pulled into makeshift camp sites with their
    pop up trailers and checkered tablecloths on portable tables.
    Everyone seemed friendly enough (as almost all southern folk are,
    especially when they hear what's left of my Kentucky accent) and we
    exchanged hellos with them all.
    Finally, I could see the top of the hill come into view. Barbara was
    about 100 yards behind me. This was good. The rest of the ride would
    be downhill or flat and the hard work was done. Now we could just
    enjoy the bright sunshine, perfect temps, and great views. As I
    crested the hill and just as I passed a gravel road going uphill and
    coming in at a 45 degree angle to my left I heard a crack. My first
    (albeit brief) thought was that Barbara had a blowout (on her tire,
    that is). A second, similar sound followed almost immediately, then a
    third. It was then I realized what the objects whizzing past me and
    through the trees were, and they weren't swallows from San Juan
    Capistrano. I took cover (or at least what cover there was) and
    waited. I could tell from the sound I was dealing with a small
    caliber rifle, probably a .22 or similar. High speed, but low weight
    projectiles, easily deflected by even small branches. That was good
    because all I had near me were small branches. After the first three
    shots, the shooting stopped. I could see a man and what appeared to
    be at least two kids about 200 yards away and I could hear the kids
    voices. Barbara was yelling for them to stop shooting, but I'm not
    convinced they could hear her because there was a steep embankment
    and a line of trees between them and her (I could barely hear her and
    I had no barrier between her and I). I waited awhile to try and
    assess what to do. I could hear the people reload, but this time they
    fired in a different direction. I heard Barbara yell for me and
    thought either she or the bike had been shot. I quickly rode back to
    her. She was OK and was just yelling to see if I was OK.
    As we were discussing or options (quickly) another couple of shots
    were fired; one must have ricocheted off a tree or two because I
    heard the round hit near where we stood. We were below the shooters
    with trees in between us and them. So either they were just shooting
    randomly and this one accidently came close or they had moved to the
    top of the embankment and were shooting at us from there. We did not
    wait around to find out. We headed downhill as fast as the terrain
    would allow (which was pretty fast). After a couple of miles I
    stopped looking back, but I never really relaxed until we were back
    in the truck and heading out.
    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just
    "playing around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they
    would shoot downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was
    involved, no matter what. Perhaps it was the kids shooting and daddyo
    was too wasted to realize what they were doing. If they were shooting
    at us, I'm glad they were not as good a shot as I.

    The next day Barbara headed back home, stopping at Spruce Knob for
    some more adventure. I suppose I was adventured out. I spent the day
    wandering between a sauna, hot tub, and the cold creek drinking pina
    coladas and listening to my friends pick bluegrass.

    I'm looking forward to some more biking in West Virginia, but I think
    next time I'll stick to the safer rock- and log-strewn single track.

    For Barbara's account of the festivities and a couple of pics, visit
    her website:

    http://www.deepcaves.net/OTR_2005/OTR_2005.html

    Glad you're okay! You should have let the police know, that's for sure.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  3. troutboy said:

    When most bikers think of the objective hazards of riding in West Virginia,
    rocks, roots, wet terrain, and steep hills come to mind. However, my friend
    Barbara and I encountered another of the West Virginia hazards on our recent
    foray in the Elkins area. The state motto "Almost Heaven" came a bit too
    close to being true.

    Snip good rr
    Why is "Dueling Banjos" running through my head?
    Scary stuff. I've been turned back from a trail by the sound of nearby
    gunfire, but none of it was in my direction!

    Shawn

  4. troutboy said:

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just "playing
    around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they would shoot
    downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was involved, no matter what.

    I once was doing some interval training (y'know - roadie stuff) in New
    Jersey, on a road that had been effectively closed due to the bridge
    being washed out. It was theoretically "open", just didn't go
    anywhere, and it was a nice climb on both sides so we'd use it to work
    on climbing.

    My wife and I were chugging up it and I heard a shotgun blast off to
    my left, and the pellets whistling through the trees above me. The
    area is a preseve, but it was pretty obvious the shooters were
    shooting skeet or something "non-breathing".

    "HEY!!!" sez I in my loudest voice "There's a ROAD over here... knock
    it off!!!".

    The subsequent shots I heard seemed to be pointed away from the road,
    so we just continued the grinding up and down the hill. I was just
    about blown from the workout when I heard a louder blast, and heard
    the pellets coming through the trees at MY height. I managed to turn
    my head, but did get hit in the leg (didn't break the skin).

    I'm utterly amazed at what I did next though - I sprinted up the hill
    to where the pickup (gotta be a pickup) was parked, threw my bike down
    and charged into the field. There were three BIG guys with two
    shotguns, but I was so wound up I pretty much ordered them off the
    planet. My lovely wife, in the meantime, broke into the glovebox of
    the pickup truck so she could read off the registration the name of
    the guy who was about to kill her hubby.

    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  5. Mark Hickey said:
    troutboy said:

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just "playing
    around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they would shoot
    downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was involved, no matter what.

    I once was doing some interval training (y'know - roadie stuff) in New
    Jersey, on a road that had been effectively closed due to the bridge
    being washed out. It was theoretically "open", just didn't go
    anywhere, and it was a nice climb on both sides so we'd use it to work
    on climbing.

    My wife and I were chugging up it and I heard a shotgun blast off to
    my left, and the pellets whistling through the trees above me. The
    area is a preseve, but it was pretty obvious the shooters were
    shooting skeet or something "non-breathing".

    "HEY!!!" sez I in my loudest voice "There's a ROAD over here... knock
    it off!!!".

    The subsequent shots I heard seemed to be pointed away from the road,
    so we just continued the grinding up and down the hill. I was just
    about blown from the workout when I heard a louder blast, and heard
    the pellets coming through the trees at MY height. I managed to turn
    my head, but did get hit in the leg (didn't break the skin).

    I'm utterly amazed at what I did next though - I sprinted up the hill
    to where the pickup (gotta be a pickup) was parked, threw my bike down
    and charged into the field. There were three BIG guys with two
    shotguns, but I was so wound up I pretty much ordered them off the
    planet. My lovely wife, in the meantime, broke into the glovebox of
    the pickup truck so she could read off the registration the name of
    the guy who was about to kill her hubby.

    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

    Had to be in the Pine Barrens or Helmetta. Both home of the white hood
    wearing, no law fearing, dregs of New Jersey. I had quite a few run-ins
    with them in Helmetta back in the early 80's.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  6. troutboy said:

    We arranged to meet at a well known caver's gathering near Elkins, WV (Old
    Timer's Reunion) and ride some of the neat stuff near Davis and/or Spruce
    Knob.


    OMG! OTR. I went to a couple of those back in the late 80s. *Nobody*
    parties like cavers.

    Quoted message said:

    As I crested the hill and just as
    I passed a gravel road going uphill and coming in at a 45 degree angle to my
    left I heard a crack. My first (albeit brief) thought was that Barbara had a
    blowout (on her tire, that is). A second, similar sound followed almost
    immediately, then a third. It was then I realized what the objects whizzing
    past me and through the trees were, and they weren't swallows from San Juan
    Capistrano.

    Holy guacamole. Glad you didn't get hit.

    gabrielle

  7. "Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:233Ue.12002$Cc5.1243@lakeread06...

    Quoted message said:

    Glad you're okay! You should have let the police know, that's for sure.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

    She did. They blew her off (as I predicted they would), but she felt
    obliged to try anyway.

    T

  8. Ride-A-Lot said:

    Mark Hickey wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm utterly amazed at what I did next though - I sprinted up the hill
    to where the pickup (gotta be a pickup) was parked, threw my bike down
    and charged into the field. There were three BIG guys with two
    shotguns, but I was so wound up I pretty much ordered them off the
    planet. My lovely wife, in the meantime, broke into the glovebox of
    the pickup truck so she could read off the registration the name of
    the guy who was about to kill her hubby.

    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Had to be in the Pine Barrens or Helmetta. Both home of the white hood
    wearing, no law fearing, dregs of New Jersey. I had quite a few run-ins
    with them in Helmetta back in the early 80's.

    Actually it was in Wall Township (pretty upscale, midstate area). I
    don't even think the guys could be classified as rednecks - more like
    yuppie redneck wannabees. I know I had more issues with obnoxious
    drivers in pickup trucks in NJ than I ever did in Florida, even though
    most of my NJ riding was near "da shore".

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  9. Mark Hickey said:
    troutboy said:

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just
    "playing around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they
    would shoot downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was
    involved, no matter what.

    I once was doing some interval training (y'know - roadie stuff) in New
    Jersey, on a road that had been effectively closed due to the bridge
    being washed out. It was theoretically "open", just didn't go
    anywhere, and it was a nice climb on both sides so we'd use it to work
    on climbing.

    My wife and I were chugging up it and I heard a shotgun blast off to
    my left, and the pellets whistling through the trees above me. The
    area is a preseve, but it was pretty obvious the shooters were
    shooting skeet or something "non-breathing".

    "HEY!!!" sez I in my loudest voice "There's a ROAD over here... knock
    it off!!!".

    The subsequent shots I heard seemed to be pointed away from the road,
    so we just continued the grinding up and down the hill. I was just
    about blown from the workout when I heard a louder blast, and heard
    the pellets coming through the trees at MY height. I managed to turn
    my head, but did get hit in the leg (didn't break the skin).

    I'm utterly amazed at what I did next though - I sprinted up the hill
    to where the pickup (gotta be a pickup) was parked, threw my bike down
    and charged into the field. There were three BIG guys with two
    shotguns, but I was so wound up I pretty much ordered them off the
    planet. My lovely wife, in the meantime, broke into the glovebox of
    the pickup truck so she could read off the registration the name of
    the guy who was about to kill her hubby.

    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

    I did something nearly as dumb. Dove season in Arizona is one of the
    scariest times of the year. A couple of friends and I were just getting
    ready to ride on the North end of Phoenix/Glendale right next to the
    Glendale Police shooting range and we started getting pelleted by bird shot.
    Across the road were two guys behind a tree shooting across the road, toward
    the shooting range building with us inbetween. First words out of my mouth
    "hey you f**king dumb ass".......but they did stop shooting and packed up
    and left.

    Then there was the time we were climbing the road on the North side of Lake
    Pleasant headed toward Crown King when some morons were shooting into the
    canyon we were riding up. We could here the bullets whizzing through the
    air seemingly right above our heads. We decided to turn around and exit,
    stage left, even.

    And the time I was riding on the North (something about North) side of the
    Sneffels Range in Colorado and I came around the corner where a hunter was
    standing. Oops, I forgot about deer season and I was in a nice yellow
    jersey......which just happened to match the surround aspen. The guy had an
    extra orange vest and I was happy to accept his offer so as not to be
    mistaken for dinner. I told him I'd leave it at the medical center in
    Ridgway but ended up running into him a few hours later on another road.

    I'm sure there will be more incidents like these over the course of our
    biking adventures.

    Gary

  10. troutboy wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Finally, I could see the top of the hill come into view. Barbara was about
    100 yards behind me. This was good. The rest of the ride would be downhill
    or flat and the hard work was done. Now we could just enjoy the bright
    sunshine, perfect temps, and great views. As I crested the hill and just as
    I passed a gravel road going uphill and coming in at a 45 degree angle to my
    left I heard a crack. My first (albeit brief) thought was that Barbara had a
    blowout (on her tire, that is). A second, similar sound followed almost
    immediately, then a third. It was then I realized what the objects whizzing
    past me and through the trees were, and they weren't swallows from San Juan
    Capistrano. I took cover (or at least what cover there was) and waited. I
    could tell from the sound I was dealing with a small caliber rifle, probably
    a .22 or similar. High speed, but low weight projectiles, easily deflected
    by even small branches. That was good because all I had near me were small
    branches. After the first three shots, the shooting stopped. I could see a
    man and what appeared to be at least two kids about 200 yards away and I
    could hear the kids voices. Barbara was yelling for them to stop shooting,
    but I'm not convinced they could hear her because there was a steep
    embankment and a line of trees between them and her (I could barely hear her
    and I had no barrier between her and I). I waited awhile to try and assess
    what to do. I could hear the people reload, but this time they fired in a
    different direction. I heard Barbara yell for me and thought either she or
    the bike had been shot. I quickly rode back to her. She was OK and was just
    yelling to see if I was OK.

    As we were discussing or options (quickly) another couple of shots were
    fired; one must have ricocheted off a tree or two because I heard the round
    hit near where we stood. We were below the shooters with trees in between us
    and them. So either they were just shooting randomly and this one accidently
    came close or they had moved to the top of the embankment and were shooting
    at us from there. We did not wait around to find out. We headed downhill as
    fast as the terrain would allow (which was pretty fast). After a couple of
    miles I stopped looking back, but I never really relaxed until we were back
    in the truck and heading out.


    <snip>

    Wow. That's scary. I had to dive for cover once here on my local trails.
    They're only become popular with cyclists since the late 80's, and it
    used to be a redneck haven before that.
    My buddy and I were riding towards an intersection of several roads and
    trails and we could hear shots from something big and ricochets whizzing
    overhead (sounded close).
    We started yelling when they paused and the shots stopped so we came out
    from behind the hillside and there was a group of college-aged kids with
    a couple of older redneck-looking dudes and an assortment of guns. I
    said "Hey, there's a trail right behind that hillside you're shooting
    at!" and this girl replies "No. The luge is over there." pointing the
    other direction. She was right, but her little mind couldn't grasp the
    concept of another trail she wasn't aware of. They half-heartedly agreed
    to go somewhere else, but it was clear they were mostly just annoyed
    that we spoiled their fun. It scared the [censored] out of my buddy and I.
    Then, just last weekend I had to take an alternate route out of a ride
    (missing some nice singletrack) because we could hear a shooter below
    and the spot they usually use goes right across the trail.
    We even have a shooting range here but a lot of folks prefer to shoot
    old appliances or glass in the backcountry. It's my least favorite thing
    about living here.

    Matt

  11. MattB said:

    We even have a shooting range here but a lot of folks prefer to shoot
    old appliances or glass in the backcountry. It's my least favorite
    thing about living here.

    Matt

    Not to mention road signs.........especially the ones marking deer
    crossings!

    Gary

  12. "MattB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    troutboy wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Finally, I could see the top of the hill come into view. Barbara was
    about 100 yards behind me. This was good. The rest of the ride would be
    downhill or flat and the hard work was done. Now we could just enjoy the
    bright sunshine, perfect temps, and great views. As I crested the hill
    and just as I passed a gravel road going uphill and coming in at a 45
    degree angle to my left I heard a crack. My first (albeit brief) thought
    was that Barbara had a blowout (on her tire, that is). A second, similar
    sound followed almost immediately, then a third. It was then I realized
    what the objects whizzing past me and through the trees were, and they
    weren't swallows from San Juan Capistrano. I took cover (or at least what
    cover there was) and waited. I could tell from the sound I was dealing
    with a small caliber rifle, probably a .22 or similar. High speed, but
    low weight projectiles, easily deflected by even small branches. That was
    good because all I had near me were small branches. After the first three
    shots, the shooting stopped. I could see a man and what appeared to be at
    least two kids about 200 yards away and I could hear the kids voices.
    Barbara was yelling for them to stop shooting, but I'm not convinced they
    could hear her because there was a steep embankment and a line of trees
    between them and her (I could barely hear her and I had no barrier
    between her and I). I waited awhile to try and assess what to do. I could
    hear the people reload, but this time they fired in a different
    direction. I heard Barbara yell for me and thought either she or the bike
    had been shot. I quickly rode back to her. She was OK and was just
    yelling to see if I was OK.

    As we were discussing or options (quickly) another couple of shots were
    fired; one must have ricocheted off a tree or two because I heard the
    round hit near where we stood. We were below the shooters with trees in
    between us and them. So either they were just shooting randomly and this
    one accidently came close or they had moved to the top of the embankment
    and were shooting at us from there. We did not wait around to find out.
    We headed downhill as fast as the terrain would allow (which was pretty
    fast). After a couple of miles I stopped looking back, but I never really
    relaxed until we were back in the truck and heading out.


    <snip>

    Wow. That's scary. I had to dive for cover once here on my local trails.
    They're only become popular with cyclists since the late 80's, and it used
    to be a redneck haven before that.
    My buddy and I were riding towards an intersection of several roads and
    trails and we could hear shots from something big and ricochets whizzing
    overhead (sounded close).
    We started yelling when they paused and the shots stopped so we came out
    from behind the hillside and there was a group of college-aged kids with a
    couple of older redneck-looking dudes and an assortment of guns. I said
    "Hey, there's a trail right behind that hillside you're shooting at!" and
    this girl replies "No. The luge is over there." pointing the other
    direction. She was right, but her little mind couldn't grasp the concept
    of another trail she wasn't aware of. They half-heartedly agreed to go
    somewhere else, but it was clear they were mostly just annoyed that we
    spoiled their fun. It scared the [censored] out of my buddy and I.
    Then, just last weekend I had to take an alternate route out of a ride
    (missing some nice singletrack) because we could hear a shooter below and
    the spot they usually use goes right across the trail.
    We even have a shooting range here but a lot of folks prefer to shoot old
    appliances or glass in the backcountry. It's my least favorite thing about
    living here.

    Matt

    "Only In America" phrase pops up again.

    If people are going to be doing target practice, it makes sense to only
    practice in certain areas that are marked out (red flags and warning signs)
    and so your direct line of shot will not carry onto other areas (embankment
    behind target)

  13. Nath said:

    "MattB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    troutboy wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, I could see the top of the hill come into view. Barbara was
    about 100 yards behind me. This was good. The rest of the ride would be
    downhill or flat and the hard work was done. Now we could just enjoy the
    bright sunshine, perfect temps, and great views. As I crested the hill
    and just as I passed a gravel road going uphill and coming in at a 45
    degree angle to my left I heard a crack. My first (albeit brief) thought
    was that Barbara had a blowout (on her tire, that is). A second, similar
    sound followed almost immediately, then a third. It was then I realized
    what the objects whizzing past me and through the trees were, and they
    weren't swallows from San Juan Capistrano. I took cover (or at least what
    cover there was) and waited. I could tell from the sound I was dealing
    with a small caliber rifle, probably a .22 or similar. High speed, but
    low weight projectiles, easily deflected by even small branches. That was
    good because all I had near me were small branches. After the first three
    shots, the shooting stopped. I could see a man and what appeared to be at
    least two kids about 200 yards away and I could hear the kids voices.
    Barbara was yelling for them to stop shooting, but I'm not convinced they
    could hear her because there was a steep embankment and a line of trees
    between them and her (I could barely hear her and I had no barrier
    between her and I). I waited awhile to try and assess what to do. I could
    hear the people reload, but this time they fired in a different
    direction. I heard Barbara yell for me and thought either she or the bike
    had been shot. I quickly rode back to her. She was OK and was just
    yelling to see if I was OK.

    As we were discussing or options (quickly) another couple of shots were
    fired; one must have ricocheted off a tree or two because I heard the
    round hit near where we stood. We were below the shooters with trees in
    between us and them. So either they were just shooting randomly and this
    one accidently came close or they had moved to the top of the embankment
    and were shooting at us from there. We did not wait around to find out.
    We headed downhill as fast as the terrain would allow (which was pretty
    fast). After a couple of miles I stopped looking back, but I never really
    relaxed until we were back in the truck and heading out.

    <snip>

    Wow. That's scary. I had to dive for cover once here on my local trails.
    They're only become popular with cyclists since the late 80's, and it used
    to be a redneck haven before that.
    My buddy and I were riding towards an intersection of several roads and
    trails and we could hear shots from something big and ricochets whizzing
    overhead (sounded close).
    We started yelling when they paused and the shots stopped so we came out
    from behind the hillside and there was a group of college-aged kids with a
    couple of older redneck-looking dudes and an assortment of guns. I said
    "Hey, there's a trail right behind that hillside you're shooting at!" and
    this girl replies "No. The luge is over there." pointing the other
    direction. She was right, but her little mind couldn't grasp the concept
    of another trail she wasn't aware of. They half-heartedly agreed to go
    somewhere else, but it was clear they were mostly just annoyed that we
    spoiled their fun. It scared the [censored] out of my buddy and I.
    Then, just last weekend I had to take an alternate route out of a ride
    (missing some nice singletrack) because we could hear a shooter below and
    the spot they usually use goes right across the trail.
    We even have a shooting range here but a lot of folks prefer to shoot old
    appliances or glass in the backcountry. It's my least favorite thing about
    living here.

    Matt

    "Only In America" phrase pops up again.

    If people are going to be doing target practice, it makes sense to only
    practice in certain areas that are marked out (red flags and warning signs)
    and so your direct line of shot will not carry onto other areas (embankment
    behind target)

    Yes. Good advise, although I suspect our shooters may not read this forum.

  14. troutboy said:

    "Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:233Ue.12002$Cc5.1243@lakeread06...

    Quoted message said:

    Glad you're okay! You should have let the police know, that's for sure.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

    She did. They blew her off (as I predicted they would), but she felt
    obliged to try anyway.

    T

    I had an encounter with a WV cop once on a traffic stop and he was
    quite the psycho. Actually everyone my friend and I encountered on
    that trip from the area was kind of creepy. I'll never go back to WV
    to recreate, that's for sure.

    JD

  15. Mark Hickey said:
    troutboy said:

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just "playing
    around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they would shoot
    downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was involved, no matter what.

    I once was doing some interval training (y'know - roadie stuff) in New
    Jersey, on a road that had been effectively closed due to the bridge
    being washed out. It was theoretically "open", just didn't go
    anywhere, and it was a nice climb on both sides so we'd use it to work
    on climbing.

    My wife and I were chugging up it and I heard a shotgun blast off to
    my left, and the pellets whistling through the trees above me. The
    area is a preseve, but it was pretty obvious the shooters were
    shooting skeet or something "non-breathing".

    "HEY!!!" sez I in my loudest voice "There's a ROAD over here... knock
    it off!!!".

    The subsequent shots I heard seemed to be pointed away from the road,
    so we just continued the grinding up and down the hill. I was just
    about blown from the workout when I heard a louder blast, and heard
    the pellets coming through the trees at MY height. I managed to turn
    my head, but did get hit in the leg (didn't break the skin).

    I'm utterly amazed at what I did next though - I sprinted up the hill
    to where the pickup (gotta be a pickup) was parked, threw my bike down
    and charged into the field. There were three BIG guys with two
    shotguns, but I was so wound up I pretty much ordered them off the
    planet. My lovely wife, in the meantime, broke into the glovebox of
    the pickup truck so she could read off the registration the name of
    the guy who was about to kill her hubby.

    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

    I went completely bezerk on some knife weilding jackhole who jumped out
    of the passenger side of a minivan. One of my dumber deeds, but it felt
    like an out-of-body experience.
    It's not uncommon to hear some pops while I'm on the road, but they're
    usually at a good distance. There's a skeet range at Ringwood that once
    freaked out a friend and me pretty good. (...friend and I...?)
    Your wife sounds like she can handle pressure!
    /s

  16. [email hidden] wrote:
    There's a skeet range at Ringwood that

    Quoted message said:

    once freaked out a friend and me pretty good. (...friend and I...?)

    me. you wouldn't say freaked I out or freaked out I

    well, maybe you would!

    :-)

    Gary

  17. "Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    troutboy said:

    I still don't know if they were really aiming at us, were just "playing
    around" by shooting near us, or were just so stupid they would shoot
    downhill toward a road. I'm guessing alcohol was involved, no matter what.


    Fortunately they seemed to be contrite about the whole thing (or they
    woulda been in big trouble... ;-) ), and they left immediately after I
    got back on my bike and headed down the hill.

    "That was probably the dumbest thing I ever did" were the first words
    I said to Carol. I think she agreed.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

    Hey, I love your story, and I can relate to your reaction to being shot at,
    and your wife's reaction, too. Glad you're ok.

    CDB

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