RR Carlsruhe West

essendon93 said:

Why Jono did you have to plant the seed of Coleraine....thinking thinking 🙄

the clock is ticking..

essendon93 said:

I got a rush of blood and gunned it at
the start of the rise to the line.

Ahha! Leadout 🙂

Well done on finishing your first RR. That uphill finish on that
course is a [censored]!

Last year I got a 3rd in D grade on that cicuit. Did the very same
thing you did - there were 3 of us in a break.

How many in your race?

I might do this weeks race at Balliang in C. Last year I got dropped
from the A+B+C+D group (not that many riders turned up) and I (i) got
lost, and (ii) got attacked by a magpie, - pulled out after one lap.
Hopefully will do better this time.

Also, I just entered Coleraine in D. Even though I've been going ok
with C grade races, the last 2 tours I've done in C grade (deBortoli,
TdBright) I've been dropped in the first stage, and didn't even
complete either tour.

Come to think of it, I didn't complete last year's Coleraine tour
either ! Revenge is at hand ...

-Andres.

quote='Bleve'essendon93 said:

I got a rush of blood and gunned it at
the start of the rise to the line.

Ahha! Leadout 🙂

Well done on finishing your first RR. That uphill finish on that
course is a [censored]![/QUOTE]Ha! I can agree to that, Bloody 25 k's solo only to get caught with 200m to go😠 😠 grumble, grumble. Great training though, and fortunately not heaps of wind.

Jono

Jono L said:

the clock is ticking..

I'm in 😄 .....what have I got myself into 🙄

I reckon there was probably about 15 racing in C.

Most likely I'll be at Balliang on Sat also.

Andres said:

Last year I got a 3rd in D grade on that cicuit. Did the very same
thing you did - there were 3 of us in a break.

How many in your race?

I-Andres.

Andres said:

Last year I got a 3rd in D grade on that cicuit. Did the very same
thing you did - there were 3 of us in a break.

How many in your race?

I might do this weeks race at Balliang in C. Last year I got dropped
from the A+B+C+D group (not that many riders turned up) and I (i) got
lost, and (ii) got attacked by a magpie, - pulled out after one lap.
Hopefully will do better this time.

Also, I just entered Coleraine in D. Even though I've been going ok
with C grade races, the last 2 tours I've done in C grade (deBortoli,
TdBright) I've been dropped in the first stage, and didn't even
complete either tour.

It's usual to ride down a grade in opens compared to regional races.
That said, there's nothing worse than riding a grade (fairly) when some
[censored] from a higher grade drops in to clean up. We desperatly need
a fair and *enforced* grading scheme in Australian road racing. The
yanks and the poms can do it, so can we ....

Quoted message said:

Come to think of it, I didn't complete last year's Coleraine tour
either ! Revenge is at hand ...

-Andres.

Hey Carl have you raced at Baliang before? Any tips on the course? So far i haven't found anyone who's raced there.

Cheers,

Jono

Jono L said:

Hey Carl have you raced at Baliang before? Any tips on the course? So
far i haven't found anyone who's raced there.

I might have, if that's the one out the back of Lara? It was a couple
of years ago, nice course, not much in the way of hills if I recall
correctly, but always -windy-. The start/finish was opposite a school
in the town shed I think.

quote='Bleve'Jono L said:

Hey Carl have you raced at Baliang before? Any tips on the course? So
far i haven't found anyone who's raced there.

I might have, if that's the one out the back of Lara? It was a couple
of years ago, nice course, not much in the way of hills if I recall
correctly, but always -windy-. The start/finish was opposite a school
in the town shed I think.[/QUOTE]

hawthorncycling.orgballiang RR.pdfOpen ↗

[quote="Bleve"]

It's usual to ride down a grade in opens compared to regional races.
That said, there's nothing worse than riding a grade (fairly) when some
[censored] from a higher grade drops in to clean up. We desperatly need
a fair and *enforced* grading scheme in Australian road racing. The
yanks and the poms can do it, so can we ....





True - I rode my first C grade road race at Warragul on Saturday. Was doing just fine until my bl@@dy wireless sensor fell off my rear stay. (No way was I going to let $300 worth of potential replacement sit on the road, so I stopped and collected it. The cherubs in the pack did not sit up and wait for me, altho They did just that when the other woman in the pack overshot a corner later on grrrrrrrrrr 😠 so I ended up time trialling into last place).

Point of the story is that C Grade at regional is not equivalent to C grade metro or opens.


The issue of riders dropping down a grade, for whatever reason (most of the excuses I have heard are pretty sad) is a difficult one and if someone has a workable solution, let me know! We are constantly trying to grapple with it locally.

warrwych said:

Bleve said:

It's usual to ride down a grade in opens compared to regional races.
That said, there's nothing worse than riding a grade (fairly) when
some
[censored] from a higher grade drops in to clean up. We desperatly need
a fair and *enforced* grading scheme in Australian road racing. The
yanks and the poms can do it, so can we ....

True - I rode my first C grade road race at Warragul on Saturday. Was
doing just fine until my bl@@dy wireless sensor fell off my rear stay.
(No way was I going to let $300 worth of potential replacement sit on
the road, so I stopped and collected it. The cherubs in the pack did
not sit up and wait for me, altho They did just that when the other
woman in the pack overshot a corner later on grrrrrrrrrr 😠 so I
ended up time trialling into last place).

Point of the story is that C Grade at regional is not equivalent to C
grade metro or opens.

The issue of riders dropping down a grade, for whatever reason (most of
the excuses I have heard are pretty sad) is a difficult one and if
someone has a workable solution, let me know! We are constantly trying
to grapple with it locally.

It's dead simple to do. Everyone starts in D grade. Each win or place
gets you points in that grade, get X points, go up a grade. Points
get recorded on a central database (CA can do this if they have the
will, the technology is simple, especially these days with the 'net).
You can have a gradual points decaying system to allow riders to come
back down grades if they have had a significant time out of the sport.

That's how it works in the UK and the US, and it seems to work very
well. Here, it's a vry bad joke. I can roll up at some other combine
where the organisers don't know me, tell some story and ride any grade
I want to.

Quoted message said:

I might do this weeks race at Balliang in C. Last year I got dropped
from the A+B+C+D group (not that many riders turned up) and I (i)

got

Quoted message said:

lost, and (ii) got attacked by a magpie, - pulled out after one

lap.

Quoted message said:

Hopefully will do better this time.

There are no long or steep hills, mostly flat to rolling hills. Quiet
roads except for Geel-Bacchus Marsh Rd which carries some traffic.
Road surface not the best on the quiet roads.

-Andres

Bleve said:

It's dead simple to do. Everyone starts in D grade. Each win or place
gets you points in that grade, get X points, go up a grade. Points
get recorded on a central database (CA can do this if they have the
will, the technology is simple, especially these days with the 'net).
You can have a gradual points decaying system to allow riders to come
back down grades if they have had a significant time out of the sport.

That's how it works in the UK and the US, and it seems to work very
well. Here, it's a vry bad joke. I can roll up at some other combine
where the organisers don't know me, tell some story and ride any grade
I want to.

That's exactly what they do for dressage. For open events it will work, but what about regional/local races? Unless you carry a card around with you, which indicates your current points (ie at each race, placings and points signed off on a performance card by a Race Official/Club Official) how are the local club organisers to know how many points (ie what grade) you are officially meant to be? The card point system also works for dressage, and your horse's performance card is submitted when you register for your classes for the day, not being returned until the competition is over, points allocated and signed off on your card if you place.

On 2006-03-27, warrwych (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Bleve said:

That's how it works in the UK and the US, and it seems to work very
well. Here, it's a vry bad joke. I can roll up at some other combine
where the organisers don't know me, tell some story and ride any grade
I want to.

That's exactly what they do for dressage. For open events it will work,
but what about regional/local races? Unless you carry a card around with
you, which indicates your current points (ie at each race, placings and
points signed off on a performance card by a Race Official/Club
Official) how are the local club organisers to know how many points (ie
what grade) you are officially meant to be? The card point system also
works for dressage, and your horse's performance card is submitted when
you register for your classes for the day, not being returned until the
competition is over, points allocated and signed off on your card if
you place.

What should happen when you attend a crit on a flat course when you
are a climber, and vice versa?

--
TimC
These days I'd use MOSFETs. 1kV 6A (use at 200VDC) ones are about $10 US.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf
Should do a hell of a job on twisted pair Ethernet equipment. - Brian in ASR

TimC said:

On 2006-03-27, warrwych (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Bleve said:

That's how it works in the UK and the US, and it seems to work very
well. Here, it's a vry bad joke. I can roll up at some other combine
where the organisers don't know me, tell some story and ride any grade
I want to.

That's exactly what they do for dressage. For open events it will work,
but what about regional/local races? Unless you carry a card around with
you, which indicates your current points (ie at each race, placings and
points signed off on a performance card by a Race Official/Club
Official) how are the local club organisers to know how many points (ie
what grade) you are officially meant to be? The card point system also
works for dressage, and your horse's performance card is submitted when
you register for your classes for the day, not being returned until the
competition is over, points allocated and signed off on your card if
you place.

What should happen when you attend a crit on a flat course when you
are a climber, and vice versa?

--
TimC
These days I'd use MOSFETs. 1kV 6A (use at 200VDC) ones are about $10 US.
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf
Should do a hell of a job on twisted pair Ethernet equipment. - Brian in ASR

Ultimately the race type/circuit is the rider's choice so their bad luck if they decide to race on a circuit that doesn't suit them. They are the ones who enter themselves.

TimC said:

What should happen when you attend a crit on a flat course when you
are a climber, and vice versa?

IMO - If you are defining yourself a 'climber' or a 'sprinter' then you should be of a certain performance level that you can at least hang onto the bunch of the same grading on almost any course.... if not, then I'd suggest a more rounded training regime... again, IMO.

I'm floored at the gradings dished out for Coleraine...

gplama said:

IMO - If you are defining yourself a 'climber' or a 'sprinter' then you should be of a certain performance level that you can at least hang onto the bunch of the same grading on almost any course.... if not, then I'd suggest a more rounded training regime... again, IMO.

I'm floored at the gradings dished out for Coleraine...

especially for someone who's gonna take 40+min to get around the boulie 😄

On 2006-03-28, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

gplama said:

IMO - If you are defining yourself a 'climber' or a 'sprinter' then you
should be of a certain performance level that you can at least hang
onto the bunch of the same grading on almost any course.... if not,
then I'd suggest a more rounded training regime... again, IMO.

I'm floored at the gradings dished out for Coleraine...

especially for someone who's gonna take 40+min to get around the boulie
😄

It really was you who interfered with the timing, wasn't it?

You can tell a.b your secrets -- we won't let it out 🙂

--
TimC
Calm down, it's *only* ones and zeroes.