Round about 10 tonight

Davey Crockett said:

Davey predicts Saddam's execution

Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been handed over to the Iraqi
authorities ahead of his execution, his lawyers say they have been told.

"The American side has notified us that they have handed over the
president to the Iraqi authorities," lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi said,
quoted by Reuters.

The prison breakout is scheduled for 9.45 leading Sunni sources have
added...

Dan Gregory said:

Davey Crockett said:

Davey predicts Saddam's execution

Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been handed over to the Iraqi
authorities ahead of his execution, his lawyers say they have been
told.

"The American side has notified us that they have handed over the
president to the Iraqi authorities," lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi said,
quoted by Reuters.

The prison breakout is scheduled for 9.45 leading Sunni sources have
added...

Whilst there's life there's Hope

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justice.

On Dec 29, 2:44 pm, Davey Crockett <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dan Gregory said:

Davey Crockett said:

Davey predicts Saddam's execution

Quoted message said:

Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been handed over to the Iraqi
authorities ahead of his execution, his lawyers say they have been
told.

Quoted message said:

"The American side has notified us that they have handed over the
president to the Iraqi authorities," lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi said,
quoted by Reuters.

Quoted message said:

The prison breakout is scheduled for 9.45 leading Sunni sources have
added...Whilst there's life there's Hope

Nope, in this case "where there's death there's hope". One more dead
genocidal scumbag gone. The world is a little bit better for it
tonight.
Unfortunately there's never been a shortage of people happy to step
into the job though.
Bill C

Bill C said:

On Dec 29, 2:44 pm, Davey Crockett <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dan Gregory said:

Davey Crockett wrote:
> Davey predicts Saddam's execution
Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been handed over to the Iraqi
authorities ahead of his execution, his lawyers say they have been
told.
"The American side has notified us that they have handed over the
president to the Iraqi authorities," lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi said,
quoted by Reuters.
The prison breakout is scheduled for 9.45 leading Sunni sources have
added...Whilst there's life there's Hope

Nope, in this case "where there's death there's hope". One more dead
genocidal scumbag gone. The world is a little bit better for it
tonight.

Just to inject a little perspective: while a lot of people died under
Saddam's watch, a lot more people died since he has been removed. As
cruel as he might have been, he kept sectarian violence in check.

Davey Crockett said:

Davey predicts Saddam's execution

Dude,

You need to calm down with these political posts that have nothing
whatsoever to do with cycling. And stop referring to yourself in the
third person like some kind of drunken Pantani.

If you have nothing interesting to say in the sport of cycling, then
don't post.

Thanks for telling us about Sadddam's execution though. It's only been
rumored to be imminent by every media outlet non-stop for the past 48
hours. Do you think you've scooped a story on your own?

Thanks,

Magilla

Kyle Legate said:

Bill C said:

On Dec 29, 2:44 pm, Davey Crockett <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dan Gregory <[email hidden]> writes:

> Davey Crockett wrote:
>
>> Davey predicts Saddam's execution
>
> Former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been handed over to the Iraqi
> authorities ahead of his execution, his lawyers say they have been
> told.
> "The American side has notified us that they have handed over the
> president to the Iraqi authorities," lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi said,
> quoted by Reuters.
> The prison breakout is scheduled for 9.45 leading Sunni sources have
> added...Whilst there's life there's Hope

Nope, in this case "where there's death there's hope". One more dead
genocidal scumbag gone. The world is a little bit better for it
tonight.

Just to inject a little perspective: while a lot of people died under
Saddam's watch, a lot more people died since he has been removed. As
cruel as he might have been, he kept sectarian violence in check.

You can thank President Bush for many of those innocent deaths too. But
since he goes bike riding with Lance, I guess that makes it all okay.

Superficially yours on behalf of most dumbass Americans,

Magilla

On Dec 30, 11:08 am, Kyle Legate <[email hidden]> wrote:

Just to inject a little perspective: while a lot of people died under

Quoted message said:

Saddam's watch, a lot more people died since he has been removed. As
cruel as he might have been, he kept sectarian violence in check.

Yep and Stalin saved those poor eastern Europeans from their historical
political instability. You and Davey seem to agree that "Good Order" is
the key. Personally I'd rather fight and die than live under those who
built their countries and empires on Good Order.
Bill C

Bill C said:

On Dec 30, 11:08 am, Kyle Legate <[email hidden]> wrote:

Just to inject a little perspective: while a lot of people died under

Quoted message said:

Saddam's watch, a lot more people died since he has been removed. As
cruel as he might have been, he kept sectarian violence in check.Yep and Stalin saved those poor eastern Europeans from their historical

political instability. You and Davey seem to agree that "Good Order" is
the key. Personally I'd rather fight and die than live under those who
built their countries and empires on Good Order.
Bill C

Can't find it right now, but I think it was Stalin who said:
"I will have peace! It may be the peace of a graveyard, but I will
have peace in my land!" or something very similar.
Bill C

Bill C said:

On Dec 30, 11:08 am, Kyle Legate <[email hidden]> wrote:

Just to inject a little perspective: while a lot of people died under

Quoted message said:

Saddam's watch, a lot more people died since he has been removed. As
cruel as he might have been, he kept sectarian violence in check.

Yep and Stalin saved those poor eastern Europeans from their historical
political instability. You and Davey seem to agree that "Good Order" is
the key. Personally I'd rather fight and die than live under those who
built their countries and empires on Good Order.

Not meaning to be a smartass or anything, but shouldn't you already be
dead then? Or was that just rhetorical flourish?

Bill C said:

On Dec 30, 3:29 pm, Fred Fredburger

Quoted message said:

How are the never ending talks going in stopping the Sudanese
Genocide? How'd it go in Somalia when rather than fight the French
observed the genocide rather carefully? How about Nato in Kosovo where
they had neither the ability or will to stop the genocide so they
watched?
All good things I suppose. The American Friends Service Committee
still says it was wrong to fight WW2 and that if we'd asked nicely
enough there would've been no war.
Not my kind of people or thinking.
Some more rational thoughts:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants."
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."
"I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men
may be trusted to govern themselves without a master."
All from Thomas Jefferson
Bill C

Here're some thoughts from one of those war-mongering imperialist
Canadians:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-1290-7532/conflict_war/blue_berets/

In 1993, Lt.-Gen. Romeo Dallaire and his Blue Berets landed in Rwanda
to guard the peace between the battling Hutus and Tutsis. The country
was in ruins, threatened by the chaos of civil war. Suspecting a plot
of genocide, Dallaire planned pre-emptive action. But the United
Nations curbed Dallaire's plans. Machete-wielding forces moved
systematically through the country, slaughtering innocents. A year
later, Dallaire and the peacekeepers left Rwanda. In 100 days, close to
800,000 Rwandans were brutally murdered by their fellow countrymen.

An honorable man who's haunted for life because he wasn't allowed to
fight.
The beat goes on in Sudan. Same policy. Same result.
Nothing's ever worth fighting for, right?
Bill C

Bill C said:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants."
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."
"I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men
may be trusted to govern themselves without a master."
All from Thomas Jefferson
Bill C

Not Benjamin Franklin?

Bob Schwartz

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

All from Thomas Jefferson

Bob Schwartz said:

Not Benjamin Franklin?

Probably drunk on the job again.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Howard Kveck said:

Absolutely. But to see the pictures of the hanging, it's hard to tell the
difference between this and the ones put out by the insurgents when they
murder someone: leather jackets and hoods, dancing around the corpse.

From Glenn Greenwald:

------------------------
And the most revealing, and most disturbing, detail is that Saddam's executioners
-- in between playground insults spat at a tied-up Saddam -- chanted their
religious-like allegiance to Moktada Al Sadr, the Shiite militia leader whom we are
told is the Great Enemy of the U.S., the One We Now Must Kill. This noble and just
event for which we are responsible was carried out by a brutal, murderous, lawless
militia. Freedom is on the march.
------------------------

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/iraqis-learn-art-of-legal-workarounds.html

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Howard I want to make sure I get you the best info possible because
lots ofg what you have is factually inaccurate, even according to the
UN. Just for a bit here's some info on Shebaa Farms, which is the basis
for false claims that Israel didn't fully withdraw:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_shaaba_farms.php

Oh, I wasn't actually thinking of the Shaaba Farms situation. I've seen articles
that indicate that the Israelis have regularly strolled across the border in other
areas (particularly further south) to carry out operations against people they
believe are threats or to intimidate the locals. As I mentioned, the Lebanese army
has done little, if anything, to prevent this acivity.

Thanks for the source.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Howard I want to make sure I get you the best info possible because
lots ofg what you have is factually inaccurate, even according to the
UN. Just for a bit here's some info on Shebaa Farms, which is the basis
for false claims that Israel didn't fully withdraw:

Quoted message said:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_shaaba_farms.php Oh, I wasn't actually thinking of the Shaaba Farms situation. I've seen articles

that indicate that the Israelis have regularly strolled across the border in other
areas (particularly further south) to carry out operations against people they
believe are threats or to intimidate the locals. As I mentioned, the Lebanese army
has done little, if anything, to prevent this acivity.

Thanks for the source.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Sorry Howard
I'm just gonna toss up some links and extracts. Been miserable lately.

http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=51536&SelectRegion=Middle_East&SelectCountry=LEBANON

In Resolution 1655, adopted on 30 January, the Security Council
extended the mandate of UNIFIL by six months to 31 July 2006. The
peacekeeping mission was created in 1978 after the Israeli invasion of
southern Lebanon.

The Israelis finally withdrew in 2000.

UNIFIL's initial mandate was to confirm the Israeli withdrawal from
Lebanon, restore international peace and security and help the Lebanese
government reinstate effective authority in the area, which is yet to
be completed.

After the first withdrawal the Lebanese Government made NO effort at
all to control the area. The latest withdrawal was agreed to by Israel
on the UN fulfilling the mandate of the first one and demilitarising
the area, puttingt lots of troops on the ground quickly, stopping the
rearming and regrouping of hezbullah. This was why Israel insisted on a
much larger UN force and robust enforcement.
What did happen after the withdrawal and agreement by the UN was that
the UN changed everything they'd agreed to.
This is pretty much what Israel did agree to:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2495

This is what they got:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=110166

On Monday, Lebanese Defense Minister Elias Murr stated that his
nation's army would not disarm the Hizbullah, but that only the
Lebanese military and UNIFIL will carry arms south of the Litani River.
However, Murr said in a television interview, "The army is not going to
be deployed in southern Lebanon in order to disarm Hizbullah, something
that Israel was unable to do in its war." The army is to be deployed,
he said, "in order to protect the civilians and to maintain the
achievements of the resistance [the Hizbullah]."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,432019,00.html

Another important question is what to do about disarming Hezbollah, as
called for by a September 2004 UN resolution and by last week's
cease-fire resolution. The aim of the Lebanese and UN troop deployments
is to create a buffer zone on Israel's northern border free of
Hezbollah fighters. But so far, nobody seems terribly interested in
actually forcing the militants to hand over their weapons.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11764/is_hezbollah_rearming.html
Is Hezbollah Rearming?

October 19, 2006
Prepared by: Lee Hudson Teslik

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1562890,00.html

Iran and Syria Helping Hizballah Rearm
As Lebanon's government tries to maintain its shaky grip on power,
sources tell TIME that Tehran and Damascus are shipping weapons to the
militant Shi'ite group
By ELAINE SHANNON/WASHINGTON AND TIM MCGIRK/BEIRUT

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.1313235/k.DAAD/January_2006BRLebanonIsrael_UNIFIL.htm

In May 2000, Israel proceeded with the complete withdrawal from South
Lebanon, in compliance with resolution 425 (1978). The SLA was
dismantled. The UN drew a border demarcation between Lebanon and
Israel, known as the Blue Line. In the aftermath, UNIFIL's mandate was
renewed in order to verify the Israeli withdrawal and help the Lebanese
forces to deploy into the area vacated by Israel. Because of violations
of the Blue Line by the IDF, the deployment of UNIFIL and of the
Lebanese forces in the south was halted. Hezbollah filled the vacuum,
conducting militant activities and providing social services for the
population. Today Hezbollah justifies its action against Israel based
on the Israeli occupation of the Sheb'a farms, a small piece of land
considered part of Syria by the UN but part of Lebanon by Hezbollah.

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From June 2000 to January 2001, the troop strength of UNIFIL was

increased in order to redeploy over the territory that Israel left. But
the Secretary-General noted at the end of 2000 that, out of the three
components of UNIFIL's mandate, one only remained: the restoration of
peace and security in the area, given recurrent incidents along the
Blue Line. Therefore, the strength of the force was reduced following
resolution 1337 (2001), and the mandate modified to one of monitoring.

Seems that every time the Israelis give up land, or try to make an
agreement they lose because a vast majority of the Palestinians and
Arabs have no intention of anything other than exterminating the State
of Israel, and the UN is obviously not going to enforce any agreements
other than hammer on the Israelis such as with the overflights of
Lebanon to monitor arms smuggling. Unifil was threatening to shoot down
Israeli jets, but still refuses in any way to confront Hizbullah.

The Gaza withdrawal and the phony "truce" have been a complete
disaster also. "Land for Peace" hasn't worked at all, and has actually
made the situation worse by rewarding the terrorists, validating the
tactics they've used to force Israel to cut it's own throat, and given
them a much better tactical position.
Bill C