rotator cup problems

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W. Wells said:

Is there any way to prevent rotator cup problems. I have the problem in my
right shoulder. It gets sore when I lift heavy weights (bench presses etc).
My instructor said the only thing he knew was to cut back on the weight. I
have tried stretching the shoulders before lifting. It is sore for a few
days and if I stop it seems to subside or go away, but I don't want to stop
working on the pecks. No other exercise works on my pecks like bench press.

Any help appreciated.

It's rotator cuff, not cup.

Go see a physical therapist or a good chiropractor.

Don't look for medical advice on usenet. ;-)

Try loading up on glucosamine sulfate...

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

W. Wells said:

Is there any way to prevent rotator cup problems. I have the problem in my
right shoulder. It gets sore when I lift heavy weights (bench presses etc).
My instructor said the only thing he knew was to cut back on the weight. I
have tried stretching the shoulders before lifting. It is sore for a few
days and if I stop it seems to subside or go away, but I don't want to stop
working on the pecks. No other exercise works on my pecks like bench press.

Any help appreciated.

You're probably benching wrong. Just going on my experience with people
benching in the smith machine or using a machine (or a barbell) and
taking too wide a grip or pressing to their collarbones rather than
their lower chest. Then again, the flat bench press just doesn't suit
some people. Why not try dips or incline presses?

As OMP pointed out, it's rotator cuff not "rotator cup". I'm hoping you
just misunderstood what the "instructor" said, or you've got a moron for
an instructor (not uncommon). There are exercises to direcly strengthen
the 'cuff muscles. I use an adjustable height cable machine, adjust the
height to my elbow height, and do internal and external rotations in
nice slow controlled form.

And blaming the bench press may be premature. What other exercises are
you doing?

Ari

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Thanks for the advise. I don't seem to have any trouble on other exercises.
Are incline presses when your upper body is lower on the bench? What are
dips. I knew it was cuff but wasn't sure the group did.
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Quoted message said:

W. Wells said:

Is there any way to prevent rotator cup problems. I have the problem in
my right shoulder. It gets sore when I lift heavy weights (bench presses
etc). My instructor said the only thing he knew was to cut back on the
weight. I have tried stretching the shoulders before lifting. It is sore
for a few days and if I stop it seems to subside or go away, but I don't
want to stop working on the pecks. No other exercise works on my pecks
like bench press.

Any help appreciated.

You're probably benching wrong. Just going on my experience with people
benching in the smith machine or using a machine (or a barbell) and taking
too wide a grip or pressing to their collarbones rather than their lower
chest. Then again, the flat bench press just doesn't suit some people. Why
not try dips or incline presses?

As OMP pointed out, it's rotator cuff not "rotator cup". I'm hoping you
just misunderstood what the "instructor" said, or you've got a moron for
an instructor (not uncommon). There are exercises to direcly strengthen
the 'cuff muscles. I use an adjustable height cable machine, adjust the
height to my elbow height, and do internal and external rotations in nice
slow controlled form.

And blaming the bench press may be premature. What other exercises are you
doing?

Ari

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

W. Wells said:

Is there any way to prevent
rotator cup problems.

I'll echo the others with cuFF (unless this is some freaky sex toy yer
talkin about) and also with trying different exercises to work your
pecs while avoiding the shoulder pain.

A rotating or combination flye/dumbbell bench works for me.

See also:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/8e2a899fe3124a1f?hl=en&

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Curt
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W. Wells said:

Thanks for the advise. I don't seem to have any trouble on other exercises.

That doesn't mean that other exercises are not contributing to the
problem. Particular culprits are behind the neck movements (presses,
pulldowns) and upright rows. Do NOT pull down behind the neck:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/LatissimusDorsi/CBRearPulldown.html

Do NOT press from behind the neck:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/BBBehindNeckPress.html

And while this is likely to cause much controversy (this topic always
does here), do NOT do upright rows if you have rotator cuff problems:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidLateral/BBUprightRow.html

Also, let us know exactly what your routine is: all the exercises you're
doing. Denying us information reduces the effectiveness of the
assistance we try and provide and limits discussions. Check out

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

There are a LOT of exercises listed here. Take note: the form
illustrated for some of these is sometimes horrendously bad.

Quoted message said:

Are incline presses when your upper body is lower on the bench?

No, incline bench presses are when you lay on a bench that has the back
support inclined at 30-60 degrees and bench press. Here's an example,
using improper form (ie - do NOT put your feet on the bench! for
safety's sake you need to have both feet firmly on the floor at all
times during ANY bench press movement):

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralClavicular/BBInclineBenchPress.html

Quoted message said:

What are
dips.

With dips you shouldn't allow your shoulders to drop much below your
elbows, and definitely not all the down like in this example:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/WtChestDip.html

Quoted message said:

I knew it was cuff but wasn't sure the group did.

The group knows all. We have competitive athletes, competition trainers,
authors, etc etc here. Try and knock us down with questions, we can
handle it :-)

Ari

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Quoted message said:

W. Wells said:

Is there any way to prevent rotator cup problems. I have the problem in
my right shoulder. It gets sore when I lift heavy weights (bench presses
etc). My instructor said the only thing he knew was to cut back on the
weight. I have tried stretching the shoulders before lifting. It is sore
for a few days and if I stop it seems to subside or go away, but I don't
want to stop working on the pecks. No other exercise works on my pecks
like bench press.

Any help appreciated.

You're probably benching wrong. Just going on my experience with people
benching in the smith machine or using a machine (or a barbell) and taking
too wide a grip or pressing to their collarbones rather than their lower
chest. Then again, the flat bench press just doesn't suit some people. Why
not try dips or incline presses?

As OMP pointed out, it's rotator cuff not "rotator cup". I'm hoping you
just misunderstood what the "instructor" said, or you've got a moron for
an instructor (not uncommon). There are exercises to direcly strengthen
the 'cuff muscles. I use an adjustable height cable machine, adjust the
height to my elbow height, and do internal and external rotations in nice
slow controlled form.

And blaming the bench press may be premature. What other exercises are you
doing?

Ari

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/