Rolling along

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.

i expect that it would use a whole different set of muscle groups.
all the transverse stuff, side-to-side? would be good if you were
training for ice skate type events =)

rollerblading is freewheel running 😉

kim

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Yep. Bleve probably has a bit of insight with his skating background?
My Cuzz was OzChamp speedskater for about 10 years (inc 3-4 olympics) prior to Steve Bradbury. Danny has always been a styrong cyclist but didnt ride much regularly for almost 5-10 years. Slotted straight back into B and straight away and has been riding Agrade (leading out the sprinters 😄) ever since.

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

It's a good bum workout. I'd be guessing it's better for running.

T

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

Used to be 3 in-line skaters in lycra in Perth that drafted along the shared path out of the city. Right up each others' bums. Taking turns on the front. Perfect syncronisation. Doing a good speed. Beautiful to sit behind and observe.

I haven't seen them for a while.

SteveA

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

I came to rollerblading out of roller-skiing for cross-country skiing and biathlon which uses a similar skating action - but with poles and on skis.

I tend to feel that the skating gliding action had more in keeping with riding than running, particularly on a hilly course you can use the down hills for recovery while whre possible you try to carry speed into the uphills and use the a short stroke and rapid cadence to get over a summit as quickly as possible and maintain your glide.

It is also more power oriented than running (nearer cycling). The kick in the stride tends to come as the leg nears full extension but the kick goes out though the centre/ rear of the foot emphasising the inside edge of the ski/blade. If you are tranferring your weight well you put the blade down on the outside edge, roll onto the centre to glide then kick out through the inside edge

The full skiing thing also brings upper body into play with the polling action but of cource the speed skaters use a strong am swing as well.

its lots of fun but bitumen is a lot harder than snow so most roller skiers carry a few scars on the knees bum and elbows. - issues of going over backwards or face plants.

Rory W

was he a superhero in training?
Maybe the cape is earned on completion of the course. :p

I think roller blading is benificial to cycling because it encourages the councils to build smoother [bike]paths.

Rory Williams said:

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

I came to rollerblading out of roller-skiing for cross-country skiing
and biathlon which uses a similar skating action - but with poles and
on skis.

I tend to feel that the skating gliding action had more in keeping with
riding than running, particularly on a hilly course you can use the down
hills for recovery while whre possible you try to carry speed into the
uphills and use the a short stroke and rapid cadence to get over a
summit as quickly as possible and maintain your glide.

I've often recommended my riders cross-train with roller or ice skates,
and XC ski-ing. the overlap is quite considerable.

SteveA wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Used to be 3 in-line skaters in lycra in Perth that drafted along the
shared path out of the city. Right up each others' bums. Taking turns
on the front. Perfect syncronisation. Doing a good speed. Beautiful
to sit behind and observe.

<snip>

No, SteveA, that didn't sound dodgy at all 😉

Rory Williams said:

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

I came to rollerblading out of roller-skiing for cross-country skiing
and biathlon which uses a similar skating action - but with poles and
on skis.

I tend to feel that the skating gliding action had more in keeping with
riding than running, particularly on a hilly course you can use the down
hills for recovery while whre possible you try to carry speed into the
uphills and use the a short stroke and rapid cadence to get over a
summit as quickly as possible and maintain your glide.

It is also more power oriented than running (nearer cycling). The kick
in the stride tends to come as the leg nears full extension but the
kick goes out though the centre/ rear of the foot emphasising the
inside edge of the ski/blade. If you are tranferring your weight well
you put the blade down on the outside edge, roll onto the centre to
glide then kick out through the inside edge

The full skiing thing also brings upper body into play with the polling
action but of cource the speed skaters use a strong am swing as well.

its lots of fun but bitumen is a lot harder than snow so most roller
skiers carry a few scars on the knees bum and elbows. - issues of going
over backwards or face plants.

Rory W

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Rory Williams

(1) how is running not power oriented?
(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

(1) how is running not power oriented?
(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

Tam

Some thoughts only I’m not up with this in any detail anymore, perhaps I shouldn’t be making pronouncements.

1) how is running not power oriented?

I think is what shapes my thinking is the comparison of the stye of race. The standard ‘distance’ race we were training for was 20 km with the possibility of up to 500 vertical meters over the course. They tend to undulate so that one goes through lots of transitions from down to up requiring lost of short power efforts cary speed into a hill and to get your body up and over the next 5 or 10 metres then to look for recovery on the next down.

You also then mix in things like holding a relatively isometric crouched position in steep downs or the need for leg strength to skate through corners at the bottom of a fast hill dealing with the compression that your weight is putting into your legs.

So It’s a different sort of power to running a 20km flatish course.

The flat isn’t much good to train this so it was about intervals against a slope either on blades/roller skis or by a diagonal hop or long hills (Marysville to Lake Mt, Harietville to Mt St Bernard).

(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

I’m probably wrong about this. Perhaps I’m thinking that the way you push though the bottom of a pedal stroke or keep applying power out to the end of a skating kick is different from how a running leg loses contact with the ground and trails into the air and possibly never quite straightens out. But then again, skating or cycling this happens with the foot under a bent body, and running it happens with the foot behind the body.

Skating its happening with a fixed ankle kicking out through the ball and heel, cycling or running its out through the ball and the ankle has more potential mobility, but I don’t know how that mobility is being utilised.

Rory W

<snip> Right up each others' bums. <snip> Perfect syncronisation. Doing a good speed. Beautiful to sit behind and observe.

I haven't seen them for a while.

SteveA

Whatever turns your crank Steve .... ..... 😄 😄 😄

Rory Williams wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

I?m probably wrong about this. Perhaps I?m thinking that the way you
push though the bottom of a pedal stroke or keep applying power out to
the end of a skating kick is different from how a running leg loses
contact with the ground and trails into the air and possibly never
quite straightens out. But then again, skating or cycling this happens
with the foot under a bent body, and running it happens with the foot
behind the body.

Skating its happening with a fixed ankle kicking out through the ball
and heel, cycling or running its out through the ball and the ankle has
more potential mobility, but I don?t know how that mobility is being
utilised.

(I get your point on the first one - different styles, different races
were in my mind!)

Most runners take off with a straight rear leg though; the goal is to
maximise the extension (or the rate of) for take off... main difference
being the other foot is in the air, rather than already contacting the
ground - and the weight is pushed onto the other foot (if that makes
sense).

As for the foot being under the bent body in skating... it can't push
you forward unless it's behind your CoM. Dem's da rules. 😄

Tam

Kim said:

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.

i expect that it would use a whole different set of muscle groups.
all the transverse stuff, side-to-side? would be good if you were
training for ice skate type events =)

rollerblading is freewheel running 😉

kim

A friend of mine was cycle touring in Europe somewhere and came across a
guy roller blading on the road. The guy was doing about the same speed
as my cycling friend up and down hills and they had a bit of a chat. It
turned out the guy was the national skating champion and he skated 100km
a day on the road to keep fit.

Marty

monsterman said:

<snip> Right up each others' bums. <snip> Perfect syncronisation. Doing a good speed. Beautiful to sit behind and observe.

I haven't seen them for a while.

SteveA

Whatever turns your crank Steve .... ..... 😄 😄 😄

Tamyka Bell said:

No, SteveA, that didn't sound dodgy at all 😉

Oh dear, did I say something that got the Brisbane mob over-excited. :eek: :eek: :eek:

I rang my Mum in Brisbane last night and she said it had been fairly warm. Perhaps that's helping your minds to be over-stimulated.

Thank goodness, I didn't mention that they were moving like a well oiled machine. 😄 😄 😄

SteveA

Tamyka Bell said:

Rory Williams wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

I?m probably wrong about this. Perhaps I?m thinking that the way you
push though the bottom of a pedal stroke or keep applying power out to
the end of a skating kick is different from how a running leg loses
contact with the ground and trails into the air and possibly never
quite straightens out. But then again, skating or cycling this happens
with the foot under a bent body, and running it happens with the foot
behind the body.

Skating its happening with a fixed ankle kicking out through the ball
and heel, cycling or running its out through the ball and the ankle has
more potential mobility, but I don?t know how that mobility is being
utilised.

(I get your point on the first one - different styles, different races
were in my mind!)

Most runners take off with a straight rear leg though; the goal is to
maximise the extension (or the rate of) for take off... main difference
being the other foot is in the air, rather than already contacting the
ground - and the weight is pushed onto the other foot (if that makes
sense).

As for the foot being under the bent body in skating... it can't push
you forward unless it's behind your CoM. Dem's da rules. 😄

But it can pull you forward. We did all sorts of funky things with ice
skates when playing hockey 🙂

Quoted message said:

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

Euan said:

Heading through Albert Park tonight and came across a guy in one piece
Lycra roller blading along, doing a good clip too. Nice and steady at
28kph or so.

Had a nice chat with him, I had my ATB top which he'd also done but in
the Queenscliff direction.

Is roller-blading beneficial for cycling? Looks like fun.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

It's a good bum workout. I'd be guessing it's better for running.

I can't say that it's better or worse for running or cycling, but
skating (ice, roller, skis, inline ...) is good cross-training for
cyclists. This is borne out by the number of succesful cyclists who
have a background in skating sports.

Rowing is also good x-training - same thing, a lot of good rowers
become good cyclists way quicker than one would otherwise expect.

Bleve said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Rory Williams wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

(2) how is kick at full extension more like cycling than like running?

I?m probably wrong about this. Perhaps I?m thinking that the way you
push though the bottom of a pedal stroke or keep applying power out to
the end of a skating kick is different from how a running leg loses
contact with the ground and trails into the air and possibly never
quite straightens out. But then again, skating or cycling this happens
with the foot under a bent body, and running it happens with the foot
behind the body.

Skating its happening with a fixed ankle kicking out through the ball
and heel, cycling or running its out through the ball and the ankle has
more potential mobility, but I don?t know how that mobility is being
utilised.

(I get your point on the first one - different styles, different races
were in my mind!)

Most runners take off with a straight rear leg though; the goal is to
maximise the extension (or the rate of) for take off... main difference
being the other foot is in the air, rather than already contacting the
ground - and the weight is pushed onto the other foot (if that makes
sense).

As for the foot being under the bent body in skating... it can't push
you forward unless it's behind your CoM. Dem's da rules. 😄

But it can pull you forward. We did all sorts of funky things with ice
skates when playing hockey 🙂

Yes it can pull you forward, but it's less efficient than a push, and I
also wouldn't describe a pulling action from the forward foot as a
'kick'

[quote="Tamyka Bell"]
As for the foot being under the bent body in skating... it can't push
you forward unless it's behind your CoM. Dem's da rules. 😄


How does a yacht move forward when tacking into the wind?

Equally how does a skate/ski/blade give you forward motion when it is also moving forward with you? And tuned to have a very low friction with the surface it is moving on

Lots of different things going on to utilise the edge or the sideways friction to get purchase on the medium compared to running where your foot is relatively fixed to the ground.

but its fun, and a change, and it's often at altitude, I just dont get the chance much anymore

Rory W

Rory Williams said:

Tamyka Bell said:

As for the foot being under the bent body in skating... it can't push
you forward unless it's behind your CoM. Dem's da rules. 😄

How does a yacht move forward when tacking into the wind?

Equally how does a skate/ski/blade give you forward motion when it is
also moving forward with you? And tuned to have a very low friction
with the surface it is moving on

Rolling is very different to sliding. It has high friction or else it
would be sliding not rolling.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Lots of different things going on to utilise the edge or the sideways
friction to get purchase on the medium compared to running where your
foot is relatively fixed to the ground.

A "kick" that pushes you forward, happens behind the CoM.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but its fun, and a change, and it's often at altitude, I just dont get
the chance much anymore

🙁 that's a shame. I'm like that with trapeze and with boxing. Things
get busy.

Tam