Cycling Equipment · Public discussion

rockbottom ripoff?

Started by Ant · · Last activity · 25 posts · 1,582 views

This thread is locked and is currently read-only.

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Cycling Equipment
Published
8 April 2003
Last activity
12 April 2003
Original author
Ant
Posts
25
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
1,582
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–20 of 25
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any credit
    given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it, and
    although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off not
    realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

  2. ant said:

    rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any
    credit given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it, and
    although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off not
    realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

    Most assuredly not! Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention.

    I've emailed them requiring them to remove the stolen material. I didn't see the Glossary on their
    site, but there were several of my articles and photos there.

    Sheldon "captainbike.comcaptainbike.com" Brown +---------------------------------------------+
    | Do not needlessly endanger your lives | until I give you the signal. | --Dwight D. Eisenhower |
    +---------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone
    617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  3. "Sheldon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    ant said:

    rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any
    credit given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it,
    and although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off
    not realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary
    this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

    Most assuredly not! Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention.

    I've emailed them requiring them to remove the stolen material. I didn't see the Glossary on their
    site, but there were several of my articles and photos there.

    It was copyrighted by Rockbottom, Wasup?

  4. bosaci said:

    "Sheldon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    ant said:

    rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any
    credit given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it,
    and although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off
    not realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary
    this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

    Most assuredly not! Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention.

    I've emailed them requiring them to remove the stolen material. I didn't see the Glossary on their
    site, but there were several of my articles and photos there.

    It was copyrighted by Rockbottom, Wasup?

    The four articles I found on their site were copyrighted by me in 1996 and '97.

    sheldonbrown.comgears.html sheldonbrown.comcables.html
    sheldonbrown.comderailer adjustment.html sheldonbrown.comcantilever adjustment.html

    Sheldon "They're Mine" Brown +---------------------------------------------------------+
    | "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, | it might be, and if it were so, it would
    | be; | but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!" | --Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass" |
    +---------------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton,
    Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts
    shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  5. Sheldon Brown at [email hidden] wrote on 4/7/03 8:32 PM:

    Quoted message said:

    The four articles I found on their site were copyrighted by me in 1996 and '97.

    sheldonbrown.comgears.html sheldonbrown.comcables.html
    sheldonbrown.comderailer adjustment.html
    sheldonbrown.comcantilever adjustment.html

    ...suprising, they sound like a class operation:

    "This company was started by two nterpreneurs in 1999. From then it has gone from strength to
    strength. It is part of the large group called Rock International. The Rock International group has
    many company under in its portfolio, including Apnastyle.com - Selling Indian clothes,
    RockbottomBikes
    - Bikes specialist, Rockperfume - Specialising in high class perfume and also
    RockInternational.co.uk- Specialist in electrical goods.

    We sell most brand of bikes, we sell CBR bicycles, claud butler bicycles, British Eagle bicycles,
    Falcon bicycles, Ideal cycles, cross cycles,universal cycles and also electrical bicycles, if you
    cannot find what you want just contact us we find the right bike for you."

  6. ...not to mention their liberal return policies:

    rockbottombikes.comreturnnrefund.asp

    "My product works fine but it just doesn't suit my needs so I'd like my money back.

    As exch good is specially ordered for you from the manufacturer and we do not keep stock of any
    bicycles there will be a 25% restocking fee. Our products do not come under the UK Distance Selling
    Regulations because each product specially ordered for you .But however, we regret that we cannot
    accept cancellations and return of products if the seal on the item has been broken or the item has
    been used or damaged. The consumer' s right to reject goods from the day the contract is made and
    ends on the expiry of 7 working days starting from the day after the goods have been received by the
    consumer."

    "I have been given an item as a gift, but do not want it. It has not been opened yet, can I
    return it?

    We will take the goods back as long as the goods have not been used and are in original condition,
    we will only refund 75% of the value of the priceUnfortunately we will normally refund back on to
    the original purchasing card."

  7. ...more

    "How do I know whether you have a product in stock?

    We update our website daily to include only products which are currently in stock in our warehouses.
    But if a product is not in stock we will contact you immediately."

    ... but, wait, didn't they state that they order everything specifically for each order?

  8. ...ok, last one:

    rockbottombikes.comgeneralhelp.asp "What is the copyright on this Web site? No
    substantial part of the web site may be reproduced on or transmitted to or stored in any other web
    site or other electronic retrieval system.

    Reproduction of all or any substantial part of the Material in any form is prohibited except that
    individual users may print or save portions of the Material for their own personal use. This license
    does not permit users to incorporate the Material or any substantial part of it in any other work or
    publication, whether in hard copy or electronic or any other form. In particular (but without
    limitation) no substantial part of the Material may be distributed or copied for any commercial
    purpose. No substantial part of the web site may be reproduced on or transmitted to or stored in any
    other web site or other electronic retrieval system"."

  9. Sheldon Brown said:

    The four articles I found on their site were copyrighted by me in 1996 and '97.

    sheldonbrown.comgears.html sheldonbrown.comcables.html
    sheldonbrown.comderailer adjustment.html
    sheldonbrown.comcantilever adjustment.html

    Sheldon "They're Mine" Brown

    . . . right down to the spelling of "derailer".

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.

  10. "bosaci" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It was copyrighted by Rockbottom, Wasup?

    It was copyrighted by them the same way a kid steals another kid's toy train and says "It's mine."

    JT

    --
    *******************************************
    NB: reply-to address is munged

    Visit jt10000.comjt10000.com
    *******************************************

  11. Obviously RockBottom deserves a few e-mails telling them that they've lost a lot of potential
    business due to their blatant ripoff of Sheldon as well as their usurious return policy. I'd
    certainly never do business with them!

  12. They can't spell "accessories" either! And that on their home page. (Oh lord!) Whatever is the world
    coming to.

    "Benjamin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    The four articles I found on their site were copyrighted by me in 1996 and '97.

    sheldonbrown.comgears.html sheldonbrown.comcables.html
    sheldonbrown.comderailer adjustment.html
    sheldonbrown.comcantilever adjustment.html

    Sheldon "They're Mine" Brown

    . . . right down to the spelling of "derailer".

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.

  13. Sheldon, are you sure you didn't steal those articles from these guys? You've been a hero to us for
    all these years, and now it seems you've been web-mining this stuff. Crushed in Colorado (but not by
    an avalanche or anything like that)

    Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    ant said:

    rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any
    credit given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it,
    and although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off
    not realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary
    this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

    Most assuredly not! Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention.

    I've emailed them requiring them to remove the stolen material. I didn't see the Glossary on their
    site, but there were several of my articles and photos there.

    Sheldon "captainbike.comcaptainbike.com" Brown +---------------------------------------------+
    | Do not needlessly endanger your lives | until I give you the signal. | --Dwight D.
    | Eisenhower |
    +---------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone
    617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  14. (Jon Isaacs) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon, are you sure you didn't steal those articles from these guys? You've been a hero to us
    for all these years, and now it seems you've been web-mining this stuff. Crushed in Colorado (but
    not by an avalanche or anything like that)

    When making jokes like this it is important to include a smiley or a <g> so that everyone knows it
    is a joke...

    Those pages came down fast though, those guys were quick getting their hand out of the cookie jar.

    Anybody have any idea how long they had those pages up?

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

  15. Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Anybody have any idea how long they had those pages up?

    At least a week- since when i first saw them. I'd make a guess that they havent been up that long,
    though. With Sheldon's material as wide-read and recognizable as it is, it seems like it would
    only take a few bike-savvy folk doing some internet research to uncover the 'similarities' between
    the pages.

    I found it off of google, searching for common bike maintenance keywords, and it spit out fairly
    high in google, all things considered.

    and yes- they were quick. when i found the site and noticed the sheldon-speak i emailed them first
    asking about their glossary (which was what i had been reading). when i didnt get an email back in a
    few days, i went back to the site to check-- gone. so i figured that was a good indicator that they
    were being lame, and sent the message to thte list.

    i thoguht the lamest thing of all was that in addition to copying the pictures and information, they
    also copied all of sheldon's witticisms, editorial comments, etc.

    maybe sheldon could threaten to sue for royalities. except- since they 'returned' the goods now, he
    would only charge a 25% restocking fee. 😉

    cheers

  16. "ant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    rockbottombikes.comrockbottombikes.com click on 'bike maintenance' or 'bike info'

    looks to me like they ripped article after article off of sheldon's site, and i dont see any
    credit given. its all verbatim, with the pictures. what's their deal?

    i found them by mistake, and recognized the glossary as sheldon's. i emailed them about it, and
    although i got no reply, i cant find it on the site now. maybe they took the glossary off not
    realizing that everything else is non-original too. or maybe i just missed the glossary this time.

    did sheldon let them copy these articles?

    I was curious to see if any articles were still left up. Found one:
    rockbottombikes.comtypesofbicycles.asp which describes types of bicycles. Here's a
    quote, right below the small pics of different bikes:

    "As you may have guessed, the first thing to decide when choosing a bike is how your bike will be
    used. A commuter's needs are different from the needs of a mountain biker, a road racer or a family.
    REI has bikes made specifically for each category of riding. "

    Hmmmm... can't imagine where this one came from.

  17. Brian Lerner said:

    I was curious to see if any articles were still left up. Found one:
    rockbottombikes.comtypesofbicycles.asp which describes types of bicycles. Here's a
    quote, right below the small pics of different bikes:

    "As you may have guessed, the first thing to decide when choosing a bike is how your bike will be
    used. A commuter's needs are different from the needs of a mountain biker, a road racer or a
    family. REI has bikes made specifically for each category of riding. "

    Hmmmm... can't imagine where this one came from.

    I have no idea. It seems it was flagrantly stolen by REI, though:

    rei.comdetail.jsp

    Shameful.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent. -- Walt Kelly

  18. Benjamin Lewis said:
    Brian Lerner said:

    I was curious to see if any articles were still left up. Found one:
    rockbottombikes.comtypesofbicycles.asp which describes types of bicycles. Here's a
    quote, right below the small pics of different bikes:

    "As you may have guessed, the first thing to decide when choosing a bike is how your bike will be
    used. A commuter's needs are different from the needs of a mountain biker, a road racer or a
    family. REI has bikes made specifically for each category of riding. "

    Hmmmm... can't imagine where this one came from.

    I have no idea. It seems it was flagrantly stolen by REI, though:

    rei.comdetail.jsp

    Shameful.

    "The sports authority" stole some of it too (the part after "Some Extra infromations"😉:

    thesportsauthority.comindex.jsp

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent. -- Walt Kelly

  19. Brian Lerner said:

    I was curious to see if any articles were still left up.

    I'm starting to wonder if anything on the site is original at all. Compare the "Which bike right for
    u" section at

    rockbottombikes.comwhichbike.asp

    To this one:

    bicyclenet.co.ukwhichbike.htm

    And their "Assembly Instructions" seem to be mostly copied from Shimano instruction sheets,
    e.g. compare

    rockbottombikes.comfrontdrivesystem.asp

    with

    sportex.seShimano Tourney 20.pdf

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent. -- Walt Kelly

  20. "Benjamin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    The four articles I found on their site were copyrighted


    by me in 1996

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and '97.

    sheldonbrown.comgears.html sheldonbrown.comcables.html
    sheldonbrown.comderailer adjustment.html
    sheldonbrown.comcantilever adjustment.html

    Sheldon "They're Mine" Brown

    . . . right down to the spelling of "derailer".

    I've stolen that too -- but that's all, I swear!

    My favorite attitude/approach toward dealing with web thievery is that of web sage Phillip
    Greenspun. He puts offenders in his copyright hall of shame:

    philip.greenspun.comhall of shame.html

    Even better is his explanation of why this works. Scroll down toward the bottom, to the heading, "My
    personal approach to copyright"

    philip.greenspun.comimages

    Enjoy!

    Matt O.

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.