Road Racing Radios.. Frequencies?

Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised races
(like the tour, etc) the riders use radios to communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the frequencies in which these radios
run at and what their range is? It would be fairly interesting to listen to while I'm there, if
they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common models and manufacturers of
these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find the frequencies or
consult the FCC database.

I believe that most, if not all, of the conversations are digitally encoded and encrypted before
transmission. You'll need much more than a scanner to make sense out of the signal.

Hmm.. that could make it more complciated. Thanks for the answer though, I do appreciate it.

Mike mikebeauchamp.commikebeauchamp.comOpen ↗

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Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised races
(like the tour, etc) the riders use radios to communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the

frequencies

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in which these radios run at and what their range is? It would be fairly interesting to listen
to while I'm there, if they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common

models

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and manufacturers of these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find
the frequencies or consult the FCC database.

I believe that most, if not all, of the conversations are digitally encoded and encrypted before
transmission. You'll need much more than a scanner to make sense out of the signal.

G Huang said:

Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised races
(like the tour, etc) the riders use radios to communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the frequencies in which these
radios run at and what their range is? It would be fairly interesting to listen to while I'm
there, if they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common models and manufacturers of
these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find the frequencies or
consult the FCC database.

I believe that most, if not all, of the conversations are digitally encoded and encrypted before
transmission. You'll need much more than a scanner to make sense out of the signal.

An article I read this year indicated that USPS is one of the few teams that uses scrambling. They
do have a scanner(s) in Johan Bruyneel's car to eavesdrop on other teams.

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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

Reallllyyy.. I figured that eavesdropping would be a pretty sly tactic that could be used..
that's why I assumed the first response was correct in being that all convs are digitally
encrypted somehow.

But then again.. out of F1, I think only ferrari was digital as of last year. I might be wrong on
that.. so who knows. I guess I'll bring the scanner with me, and just do a full scan when I have
nothing else better to
do.

The best I can find is this list:

0036.250000 Wielrennen-Belgium
37.800000 Wielrennen-B
38.850000 Wielrennen-B
39.830000 Wielrennen-B
40.075000 TdeF NOS
41.000000 Heli=Link
42.890000 TdeF BRT
43.900000 TdeF RTBF
44.912500 KNWU
45.937500 KNWU
46.170000 KNAC-A
47.470000 Serv.Medical
48.550000 TdeF BRT
49.570000 KNAC-B
50.050000 TdeF BRT
51.790000 TdeF MOTO
52.130000 Wielrennen
53.510000 Wielrennen
54.070000 KNAC-C
55.830000 TdeF BRTF
56.950000 VRT-Moto
57.875000 TdeF RTBF
58.006250 PMR
59.018750 PMR
60.031250 PMR
61.043750 PMR
62.056250 PMR
63.068750 PMR
64.081250 PMR
65.093750 PMR

If I find anything interesting, I'll try to keep it in mind and post it later.. incase any other
nerds with scanners want to hear the teams.

Mike mikebeauchamp.commikebeauchamp.comOpen ↗

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G Huang said:

Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised
races (like the tour, etc) the riders use radios

to

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communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the frequencies in which these
radios run at and what their range is? It would be

fairly

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interesting to listen to while I'm there, if they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common models and manufacturers
of these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find the frequencies or
consult the FCC database.

I believe that most, if not all, of the conversations are digitally encoded and encrypted before
transmission. You'll need much more than a scanner to make sense out of the signal.

An article I read this year indicated that USPS is one of the few teams that uses scrambling. They
do have a scanner(s) in Johan Bruyneel's car to eavesdrop on other teams.

--
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Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗ "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

It would be really cool to see a (partial?) transcript of the chit chat between riders and
team director.

"Yes, Johan, I remember the mountain." Lance to Johan during a training ride, in response to Johan's
reference to Lance's bonking during the 2000? Tour de France. From some Lance article somewhere.
That's about all I've got.

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Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗ "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised races
(like the tour, etc) the riders use radios to communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the frequencies in which these radios
run at and what their range is? It would be fairly interesting to listen to while I'm there, if
they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common models and manufacturers of
these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find the frequencies or
consult the FCC database.

Thanks

Mike mikebeauchamp.commikebeauchamp.comOpen ↗

What to get depends on how much you want to spend and what other things you will use it for. Start
out with a basic handheld scanner and see how it works out. You can always get something with more
features later on.

As for where to get them, try area hamfests. Have the seller demo it before you buy it. And then
there's always ebay, rec.radio.swap, etc. My own recommendation for a good starter is the Radio
Shack Pro-39. Used ones come up cheap every now and then, and it has all the basic funnctions.

If you want to spend more try a used AOR-8000 or Alinco DJX2000. Warning: Don't mess with these if
your VCR flashes "12:00".

Good luck, Jim

Hey Jim, thanks for the help but you didnt' read the question 🙂

I already have a scanner (Pro 95) and I was wondering if anyone knew the frequencies or the names of
some of the radios the riders use (so I could look it up in the FCC database).

Definately an interesting hobby.. when I'm at school my mom steals the scanner from my room to
listen to all the neighborhood gossip between 900-927MHz 🙂

Mike mikebeauchamp.commikebeauchamp.comOpen ↗

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Mike Beauchamp said:

Hey all.. My friend and I are considering driving up to Hamilton for the Worlds (
hamilton2003.comhamilton2003.comOpen ↗ ) since it is only about 4 hours away. I noticed on televised races
(like the tour, etc) the riders use radios to communicate.

Since I have a radio scanner, I was wondering if anyone knew the

frequencies

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in which these radios run at and what their range is? It would be fairly interesting to listen to
while I'm there, if they even use radios in Hamilton.

If you don't know the freqs, maybe someone could tell me some common

models

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and manufacturers of these radios so I can get some nerds at rec.radio.scanner to help me find
the frequencies or consult the FCC database.

Thanks

Mike mikebeauchamp.commikebeauchamp.comOpen ↗

What to get depends on how much you want to spend and what other things you will use it for. Start
out with a basic handheld scanner and see how it works out. You can always get something with more
features later on.

As for where to get them, try area hamfests. Have the seller demo it before you buy it. And then
there's always ebay, rec.radio.swap, etc. My own recommendation for a good starter is the Radio
Shack Pro-39. Used ones come up cheap every now and then, and it has all the basic funnctions.

If you want to spend more try a used AOR-8000 or Alinco DJX2000. Warning: Don't mess with these if
your VCR flashes "12:00".

Good luck, Jim

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As for where to get them, try area hamfests. Have the seller demo it before you buy it. And then
there's always ebay, rec.radio.swap, etc. My own recommendation for a good starter is the Radio
Shack Pro-39. Used ones come up cheap every now and then, and it has all the basic funnctions.

I had thought Lance Armstrong was licensed as a Tech and they were using amateur freqs. Can someone
clear this up?

bill

William H. O'Hara said:

I had thought Lance Armstrong was licensed as a Tech and they were using amateur freqs. Can
someone clear this up?

There IS a "Lance W. Armstrong" in the FCC Database (KF6MHQ), but he's in Venice, CA.

Art Harris

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William H. O'Hara said:

I had thought Lance Armstrong was licensed as a Tech and they were using amateur freqs. Can
someone clear this up?

There IS a "Lance W. Armstrong" in the FCC Database (KF6MHQ), but he's in Venice, CA.

Art Harris

What are they using for frequencies and radios? And who is using encryption? I had thought that in
general only federal users could use encryption. Anyone want to clear it up with what the actually
use? I just saw a post on the roadbikereview.com website that states that they use amateur radio.

Bill

In 2001 watched a highlight show about the TDF. US postal used Alinco CJ-5 radios at the time. I
don't know how they are licensed in Europe/France, but I think that the 2 Meter band is not the same
there as it is in the US.

alinco.comDJC5T.shtmlOpen ↗

Neat little radio, if you aren't attempting DX!

Eric

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William H. O'Hara said:

I had thought Lance Armstrong was licensed as a Tech and they were using amateur freqs. Can
someone clear this up?

There IS a "Lance W. Armstrong" in the FCC Database (KF6MHQ), but he's in Venice, CA.

Art Harris

William H. O'Hara said:

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William H. O'Hara said:

I had thought Lance Armstrong was licensed as a Tech and they were using amateur freqs. Can
someone clear this up?

There IS a "Lance W. Armstrong" in the FCC Database (KF6MHQ), but he's in Venice, CA.

Art Harris

What are they using for frequencies and radios? And who is using encryption? I had thought that in
general only federal users could use encryption.

Anyone can scramble/encrypt. The restrictions typically involve exporting strong encryption since it
is considered by some to be a national security issue. We want to crack the bad guys codes without
having to work too hard at
it. We don't want to give them encryption that is uncrackable in practice.

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Anyone want to clear it up with what the actually use? I just saw a post on the roadbikereview.com
website that states that they use amateur radio.

durhamradio.comalinco djc5t.htmOpen ↗

popsci.com0,12543,462473,00.htmlOpen ↗ "8. RADIOS: To keep tabs on Tour
rivals and plan tactics, Armstrong and his U.S. Postal Service team will use credit- card-size
Alinco DJ-C5T dual-band two-way radios. This year the radios were specially configured (the team
isn't saying how) to avoid eavesdropping."

The simplest anti-eavesdrop method would be to install scramblers such as those made by Transcript
International. I doubt anything more complicated than that was installed into these radios (no
spread spectrum techniques). They could be modified to operate in any nearby commercial band also.

transcryptsecure.comlmr security.htmlOpen ↗

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In 2001 watched a highlight show about the TDF. US postal used Alinco CJ-5 radios at the time. I
don't know how they are licensed in Europe/France, but I think that the 2 Meter band is not the
same there as it is in the US.

Some are only to 146 mhz. Many did not have 50 mhz until awhile ago.

Bill

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What are they using for frequencies and radios? And who is using encryption? I had thought that
in general only federal users could use encryption.

Anyone can scramble/encrypt. The restrictions typically involve exporting strong encryption since
it is considered

Not exactly true.

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durhamradio.comalinco djc5t.htmOpen ↗

I've seen that handheld. It is light. I don't know if the VX- 2R is lighter but the alinco is
definitely easier to carry.

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popsci.com0,12543,462473Open ↗,
00.html "8. RADIOS: To keep tabs on Tour rivals and plan tactics, Armstrong and his U.S. Postal
Service team will use credit- card-size Alinco DJ-C5T dual-band two-way radios. This year the
radios were specially configured (the team isn't saying how) to avoid eavesdropping."

Antiscrambling is illegal in the U.S. for amateur service. I do not know about France or Italy, but
would presume it to be. It is also illegal to use amateur frequencies without appropriate user and
station licenses. Furthermore, he is engaged in a commercial activity and can not use amatuer radio.
I guess the FCC doesn't care anymore.

Bill

In article <[email hidden]>, "William H. O'Hara, III"

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It is also illegal to use amateur frequencies without appropriate user and station licenses.

it's also illegal to exceed the speed limit...I've been using 2m ham radio's for 10 years without
problems or a license.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "William H. O'Hara, III"

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It is also illegal to use amateur frequencies without appropriate user and station licenses.

it's also illegal to exceed the speed limit...I've been using 2m ham radio's for 10 years without
problems or a license.

All I can say that it is a disappointment when someone is employed with a big outfit; they can not
afford to purchase proper radio equipment? How much do you think that they spent on the bicycles and
they can not afford commercial gear and proper licensing?

Shame on you as well.

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William H. O'Hara said:

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What are they using for frequencies and radios? And who is using encryption? I had thought that
in general only federal users could use encryption.

Anyone can scramble/encrypt. The restrictions typically involve exporting strong encryption
since it is considered

Not exactly true.

And..... explain.

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Antiscrambling is illegal in the U.S. for amateur service.

Can you point me to the code section that makes this statement?

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I do not know about France or Italy, but would presume it to be. It is also illegal to use amateur
frequencies without appropriate user and station licenses. Furthermore, he is engaged in a
commercial activity and can not use amatuer radio.

Like I said: "They could be modified to operate in any nearby commercial band also."

Commercial starts at around 150 MHz in the US; that's not too far off. And as you say, Euro regs
might be a bit different anyway.

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I guess the FCC doesn't care anymore.

Not many people do. The FCC is a typical federal beaucracy.

Eric said:

In 2001 watched a highlight show about the TDF. US postal used Alinco CJ-5 radios at the time. I
don't know how they are licensed in Europe/France, but I think that the 2 Meter band is not the
same there as it is in the US.

It's probably easy enough to modify those radios to cover most of the vhf spectrum. I doubt if
they're operating in the amateur band. They were probably chosen based on their light weight. I'm
sure the team car is using a more powerful radio.

Art Harris N2AH

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Eric said:

In 2001 watched a highlight show about the TDF. US postal used Alinco CJ-5 radios at the time. I
don't know how they are licensed in Europe/France, but I think that the 2 Meter band is not the
same there as it is in the US.

It's probably easy enough to modify those radios to cover most of the vhf spectrum. I doubt if
they're operating in the amateur band. They were probably chosen based on their light weight. I'm
sure the team car is using a more powerful radio.

Art Harris N2AH

As an extra class you should know that this violates type acceptance requirements.

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