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  1. "Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    From: "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups:
    alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent Date: Sat, 15 May 2004
    15:12:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Road Pigs

    Guy has an irrational brain that simply doesn't function
    the way Allah


    meant

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it to function.Listen to him and you will wind up dead
    as a mackerel.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota


    Would that be a mackerel swimming in the sea? They do that
    you know? Swim. You get a false impression of the fish
    when you buy it in a tin.

    That is an old expression I picked up as a kid some 50 years
    ago. Where these old expressions come from is hard to say
    without looking them up in a dictionary that gives you the
    origins of words and expressions. I believe these types of
    homey expressions come from the early 20th century and
    relate to the largely rural lives that most people were
    living then. But those old time folks knew their poetry.
    Dead as a pike or dead as a walleye would not work. It has
    to be dead as a mackerel because mackerel is a funny word
    and pike and walleye are not.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  2. I too have often wished for a helmet camera with the last
    thirty seconds. And part of that wish was being accused of
    denting a w(b)itch's car after she pinched me into the curb.

    "Robert Haston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | I would love to have a camera that kept the last 30
    | seconds.

  3. On Sat, 15 May 2004 21:29:31 +0100, Ian <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    Would that be a mackerel swimming in the sea? They do that
    you know? Swim. You get a false impression of the fish when
    you buy it in a tin.

    Heh! Another example of Mr. Ed's patented
    RealityDisconnect[tm] at work :-)

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  4. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 15 May 2004 21:29:31 +0100, Ian
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Would that be a mackerel swimming in the sea? They do
    that you know?


    Swim.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You get a false impression of the fish when you buy it
    in a tin.

    Heh! Another example of Mr. Ed's patented
    RealityDisconnect[tm] at work :-)

    Guy

    Yeah, but these English nuts read me (even if they do not
    know how to post my messages). Who the hell else would
    bother with them if it weren't for me?

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  5. Quoted message said:

    I firmly believe that one thing that cyclists in cars can
    do for cyclists on bikes is to do the speed limit on all
    roadways open to cyclists.

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be folks
    appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they were
    speeding, and would slow down to work their way through a
    crowded stretch of road. Not now! They crowd my bumper (to
    me this is threatening my life with their blunt instrument),
    flash their lights and worse. The speedlimits are OUR laws.
    The authority to enforce them is derived from us the
    citizens. The speeders are, therefore, very much our
    business. One could even argue that we as citizens have a
    responsibility to NOT aid the speeders in speeding by
    yielding to them.

    It is so bad hereabouts that unles you are willing to break
    the law then you cannot even use the fast lane. Unless you
    drive a large vehicle as I do (when I cannot avoid it, my
    Suzuki Samurai is down for a new suspension install so my
    tow vehicle is all I have left when I can't bike).

    I have reached a point that I drive where and how I would
    drive if the speeders weren't there [2]. If I would normally
    drive in the left lane of the freeway, then I do so now, and
    let the speeders deal with the inconvenience. If I am trying
    to merge right to an exit, and the speeders are coming up
    too fast on my right, I just move over, let them work it
    out. It is their situation, their scoff-law attitude caused
    whatever traffic situation we are in. I do not wish to have
    to change MY driving in order to accomodate THEIR lack of
    respect for our laws, their lack of concern for being a good
    example to our young drivers, their self-indulgence that
    scares our older citizens off of the road.

    [1] In Calif on multi-lane roads, the law doesn't actually
    require slower traffic to take the right-most lane. And
    the 'slower traffic use turnouts' or 'slower traffic
    stay right' was never intended for folks doing the
    speedlimit.

    [2] I should mention that I only do this when driving
    my 6500 lb diesel pickup. When driving my lil
    Suzuki Samurai I am still obnoxious but take more
    care for my life.

    GeoB

    Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do.
    - Irma Kurtz

  6. "GeoB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I firmly believe that one thing that cyclists in cars
    can do for cyclists on bikes is to do the speed limit on
    all roadways open to cyclists.

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be folks
    appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they were
    speeding, and would slow down to work their way through a
    crowded stretch of road. Not now! They crowd my bumper (to
    me this is threatening my life with their blunt
    instrument), flash their lights and worse. The speedlimits
    are OUR laws. The authority to enforce them is derived
    from us the citizens. The speeders are, therefore, very
    much our business. One could even argue that we as
    citizens have a responsibility to NOT aid the speeders in
    speeding by yielding to them.

    It is so bad hereabouts that unles you are willing to
    break the law then you cannot even use the fast lane.
    Unless you drive a large vehicle as I do (when I cannot
    avoid it, my Suzuki Samurai is down for a new suspension
    install so my tow vehicle is all I have left when I
    can't bike).

    I have reached a point that I drive where and how I would
    drive if the speeders weren't there [2]. If I would
    normally drive in the left lane of the freeway, then I do
    so now, and let the speeders deal with the inconvenience.
    If I am trying to merge right to an exit, and the speeders
    are coming up too fast on my right, I just move over, let
    them work it out. It is their situation, their scoff-law
    attitude caused whatever traffic situation we are in. I do
    not wish to have to change MY driving in order to
    accomodate THEIR lack of respect for our laws, their lack
    of concern for being a good example to our young drivers,
    their self-indulgence that scares our older citizens off
    of the road.

    [1] In Calif on multi-lane roads, the law doesn't
    actually require slower traffic to take the right-
    most lane. And the 'slower traffic use turnouts' or
    'slower traffic stay right' was never intended for
    folks doing the speedlimit.

    [2] I should mention that I only do this when driving my
    6500 lb diesel pickup. When driving my lil Suzuki
    Samurai I am still obnoxious but take more care for
    my life.

    GeoB

    Bravo, GeoB! The paragraph you are responding to at the
    top of your message was so incredibly stupid that I
    couldn't believe that it was actually written the way it
    read. I thought the writer had made a mistake and mashed
    his words somehow.

    Needless to say, I agree with EVERYTHING you have said. We
    need to get much tougher on speeders in this country.
    Everyone is going 85 mph on the Interstate highways now and
    there is a carry over from that to other roads too.
    Frankly, I liked this country a lot better when the speed
    limit was 55 mph and everything was moving much slower than
    now. Speed kills of course and anyone who tells you
    otherwise is an idiot.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  7. GeoB said:
    Quoted message said:

    I firmly believe that one thing that cyclists in cars can
    do for cyclists on bikes is to do the speed limit on all
    roadways open to cyclists.

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be folks
    appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they were
    speeding, and would slow down to work their way through a
    crowded stretch of road. Not now! They crowd my bumper (to
    me this is threatening my life with their blunt
    instrument), flash their lights and worse. The speedlimits
    are OUR laws. The authority to enforce them is derived
    from us the citizens. The speeders are, therefore, very
    much our business. One could even argue that we as
    citizens have a responsibility to NOT aid the speeders in
    speeding by yielding to them.

    It is so bad hereabouts that unles you are willing to
    break the law then you cannot even use the fast lane.
    Unless you drive a large vehicle as I do (when I cannot
    avoid it, my Suzuki Samurai is down for a new suspension
    install so my tow vehicle is all I have left when I
    can't bike).

    I have reached a point that I drive where and how I would
    drive if the speeders weren't there [2]. If I would
    normally drive in the left lane of the freeway, then I do
    so now, and let the speeders deal with the inconvenience.
    If I am trying to merge right to an exit, and the speeders
    are coming up too fast on my right, I just move over, let
    them work it out. It is their situation, their scoff-law
    attitude caused whatever traffic situation we are in. I do
    not wish to have to change MY driving in order to
    accomodate THEIR lack of respect for our laws, their lack
    of concern for being a good example to our young drivers,
    their self-indulgence that scares our older citizens off
    of the road.

    [1] In Calif on multi-lane roads, the law doesn't
    actually require slower traffic to take the right-
    most lane. And the 'slower traffic use turnouts' or
    'slower traffic stay right' was never intended for
    folks doing the speedlimit.

    [2] I should mention that I only do this when driving my
    6500 lb diesel pickup. When driving my lil Suzuki
    Samurai I am still obnoxious but take more care for
    my life.

    GeoB

    Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do.
    - Irma Kurtz


    The problem is not speeding per say, but a general breakdown
    in US society of considerations of social responsibility and
    respect for others. This breakdown is seen in other areas:
    using the vehicle horn instead of a doorbell in residential
    areas, inflicting the "thump-thump of hip-hop on ones
    neighbors, etc.

    Tailgating behavior is an act of either ignorance/stupidity
    [1] or aggression with its implied threat of violence (I
    will run you off the road if you do not get out of my way).
    This is part of the same inconsiderate and offensive
    behavior that leads people to buy vehicles of ever larger
    size so they will have a perceived advantage in a collision
    with another vehicle (and the desire to broadcast that
    attitude to others roadway users).

    As for why this is occurring, the relative social isolation
    [2] and deliberate avoidance of people of a different social
    class in the US are certainly partly responsible. The belief
    of might makes right promoted by government, the competitive
    business system, and the popular entertainment industry must
    also share a large portion of the blame.

    [1] Not taking into account that if the vehicle ahead makes
    a sudden stop, a collision will occur.
    [2] This is one of the greatest advantages of bicycles over
    motor vehicles - communication with other cyclists is
    easily performed while riding, so the social restraints
    are present that disappear when a person gets in his/her
    isolation box of a motor vehicle.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  8. (GeoB) said:

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be folks
    appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they were
    speeding, and would slow down to work their way through a
    crowded stretch of road.

    Wouldn't disagree - just wasn't relevant IMO to issue vis-a-
    vis bikes. Its been a long time since that I feel any
    problem with leading a parade of cars along a back road. The
    only problem in Maryland is that sooner or later you get to
    a multilane roadway and they speed off that much faster.
    OTOH, you deal with what you can.

    I doubt drivers driving the speed limit can take back the
    Interstates. The road I take every morning OTOH is used as a
    high speed shortcut by commuters when there are other
    options available. Maybe a few of them, one at a time, will
    decide to take the other options if they find their speed
    held to the speed limit on a regular basis.

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  9. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GeoB said:
    Quoted message said:

    I firmly believe that one thing that cyclists in cars
    can do for cyclists on bikes is to do the speed limit on
    all roadways open to cyclists.

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all
    roads. And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to
    be folks appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that
    they were speeding, and would slow down to work their
    way through a crowded stretch of road. Not now! They
    crowd my bumper (to me this is threatening my life with
    their blunt instrument), flash their lights and worse.
    The speedlimits are OUR laws. The authority to enforce
    them is derived from us the citizens. The speeders are,
    therefore, very much our business. One could even argue
    that we as citizens have a responsibility to NOT aid the
    speeders in speeding by yielding to them.

    It is so bad hereabouts that unles you are willing to
    break the law then you cannot even use the fast lane.
    Unless you drive a large vehicle as I do (when I cannot
    avoid it, my Suzuki Samurai is down for a new suspension
    install so my tow vehicle is all I have left when I
    can't bike).

    I have reached a point that I drive where and how I
    would drive if the speeders weren't there [2]. If I
    would normally drive in the left lane of the freeway,
    then I do so now, and let the speeders deal with the
    inconvenience. If I am trying to merge right to an exit,
    and the speeders are coming up too fast on my right, I
    just move over, let them work it out. It is their
    situation, their scoff-law attitude caused whatever
    traffic situation we are in. I do not wish to have to
    change MY driving in order to accomodate THEIR lack of
    respect for our laws, their lack of concern for being a
    good example to our young drivers, their self-indulgence
    that scares our older citizens off of the road.

    [1] In Calif on multi-lane roads, the law doesn't
    actually require slower traffic to take the right-
    most lane. And the 'slower traffic use turnouts' or
    'slower traffic stay right' was never intended for
    folks doing the speedlimit.

    [2] I should mention that I only do this when driving
    my 6500 lb diesel pickup. When driving my lil
    Suzuki Samurai I am still obnoxious but take more
    care for my life.

    GeoB

    Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do.
    - Irma Kurtz


    The problem is not speeding per say, but a general
    breakdown in US society of considerations of social
    responsibility and respect for others. This breakdown is
    seen in other areas: using the vehicle horn instead of a
    doorbell in residential areas, inflicting the "thump-thump
    of hip-hop on ones neighbors, etc.

    Tailgating behavior is an act of either
    ignorance/stupidity [1] or aggression with its implied
    threat of violence (I will run you off the road if you do
    not get out of my way). This is part of the same
    inconsiderate and offensive behavior that leads people to
    buy vehicles of ever larger size so they will have a
    perceived advantage in a collision with another vehicle
    (and the desire to broadcast that attitude to others
    roadway users).

    As for why this is occurring, the relative social
    isolation [2] and deliberate avoidance of people of a
    different social class in the US are certainly partly
    responsible. The belief of might makes right promoted by
    government, the competitive business system, and the
    popular entertainment industry must also share a large
    portion of the blame.

    [1] Not taking into account that if the vehicle ahead
    makes a sudden stop, a collision will occur.
    [2] This is one of the greatest advantages of bicycles
    over motor vehicles - communication with other
    cyclists is easily performed while riding, so the
    social restraints are present that disappear when a
    person gets in his/her isolation box of a motor
    vehicle.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

    Bravo, Mr. Sherman! I couldn't agree more with you on
    everything you say in your message above (except for some
    segments of your last paragraph excluding your confounded
    footnotes).

    Very many of the younger generation coming up today are
    essentially not only uncivilized, they are not even
    socialized. Unfortunately we all come into this world as
    savages and we have to be socialized. That is the most
    important task of society. Whether of not we ever become
    civilized is up to the schools. I fear for the progress of
    America as I do not see the levels of sophistication that
    existed prior to my generation. We are failing in the
    essential task of socializing the young. We are raising a
    generation of savages. Civilization itself is in peril. We
    could easily end up like a third world country where life is
    savage, brutal - and short!

    By the way, I have always associated with people of all
    classes all of my life. I learned this very valuable lesson
    in my youth when I was in the Navy that people are pretty
    much the same and there is never any reason for avoiding
    anyone. This also comes from small town living where
    everyone more or less knows everyone else. These gated
    communities are an abomination. I abhor them!

    Government and business don't have much to do with our
    decline, but I do believe that our entertainment industry
    has a lot to do with the low level of culture prevailing in
    this country. I even have some sympathy for the Islamic
    extremists who simply hate our popular entertainment which
    is being exported to the rest of the world. But enuf of ye
    old curmudgeon!

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  10. "Curtis L. Russell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 19 May 2004 10:01:39 -0700, [email hidden]

    (GeoB) said:

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be
    folks appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they
    were speeding, and would slow down to work their way
    through a crowded stretch of road.

    Wouldn't disagree - just wasn't relevant IMO to issue vis-a-
    vis bikes. Its been a long time since that I feel any
    problem with leading a parade of cars along a back road.
    The only problem in Maryland is that sooner or later you
    get to a multilane roadway and they speed off that much
    faster. OTOH, you deal with what you can.

    I doubt drivers driving the speed limit can take back the
    Interstates. The road I take every morning OTOH is used as
    a high speed shortcut by commuters when there are other
    options available. Maybe a few of them, one at a time,
    will decide to take the other options if they find their
    speed held to the speed limit on a regular basis.

    Curtis, the problem is all this damnable commuting that is
    going on. There are folks here that are commuting over to
    Sioux Falls, some 60 miles away from my town, and they are
    doing this every day of the week. Of course they are going
    faster than hell because everyone hates all this commuting.

    Did you ever see the movie The Magnificent Ambersons? That
    is the way we should be living. A nice civilized commute on
    a street car that runs by our house and will take us
    downtown to where we work. We are now living in such a
    screwed up society that it is not possible to do this kind
    of civilized commute anymore.

    Sometimes I wish the price of gasoline in this country would
    become prohibitively expensive - like maybe $50. a gallon. I
    think that is what it will take before we become sensible
    about how we commute. Right now, it is total insanity.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all roads.
    And feel free to use the 'fast' lane [1]. Used to be
    folks appeared to maybe be a lil embarrassed that they
    were speeding, and would slow down to work their way
    through a crowded stretch of road.

    Wouldn't disagree - just wasn't relevant IMO to issue vis-a-
    vis bikes.

    Yes, I think understood what you meant. My comment WAS off-
    topic, but I wasn't aiming it at you at all. Someone in a
    following post seems to have adopted the worst possible
    interpretation of your original statement.

  12. GeoB said:


    I feel that we should all do the speedlimit on all
    roads....

    If I come upon a downhill on my bike where I can exceed 55-
    mph, I am going for it. 😉

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

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