Road paint and rolling resistance?

"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.

Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

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damyth said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.

Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

The effect would be small, I think. A thick layer of paint, or in some
cases it is actually a type of 3M tape heat-bonded to the road, fills in
the voids between the aggregate grains in the asphalt and will make for
a smoother surface.

Gary Jacobson said:

"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Quoted message said:

Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.

Quoted message said:

Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on dashed
lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves. In other
words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m paint, 1m no
paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

Joseph

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Gary Jacobson said:

"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.
Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on dashed
lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves. In other
words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m paint, 1m no
paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

Joseph

You must have to much time if you wondering about this. Just go ride and
have fun...

Lou
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Gary Jacobson said:

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> Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
> paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
> rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
> Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
> asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
> as well for drier conditions.
> Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
> trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
> rather than the asphalt?
Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

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Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

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I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on dashed
lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves. In other
words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m paint, 1m no
paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

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Joseph

You must have to much time if you wondering about this. Just go ride and
have fun...

Wondering about these things while riding IS fun!

Joseph

damyth said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Yes.

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Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Different question. If you are preoccupied with staying on the 6-inch
line you may ride slower than you would while not thinking about it.

Robert

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On Jul 7, 4:33 pm, "Gary Jacobson" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say
>> the paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic)
>> provide lower rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
>> Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
>> asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling
>> resistance as well for drier conditions.
>> Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
>> trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted
>> line rather than the asphalt?
> Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and
> that means less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read
> and perceived myself, and it makes sense.

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> Gary Jacobson
> Rosendale, NY

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I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on
dashed lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves.
In other words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m
paint, 1m no paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

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Joseph

You must have to much time if you wondering about this. Just go ride
and have fun...

Wondering about these things while riding IS fun!

Joseph

A serious (close?) observation.

You have posed quite a few questions about a scad of technical points,
mechanical, physiological, other. I think you have the same disease I
suspect Thomas Voeckler has - he thinks too much about the peripheral
elements of a race, loses concentration on the task at hand, cogitates about
how to do things differently, and slides fast to the back.

You have had too many picaune observations about minutiae that you pay
attention to while you are trying to race or train. I think you are not
getting to the level where endorphin energizes you. Embrace those moments.
Leave the pilot-light cerebral functions focused on the riding while riding.
If you later can extract some facts from memory, or from measurement
equipment, see if you can think about it later, not while riding.

I write this pretty candidly, so you can get a very different point of
view - not from tech wizards, but from a guy who used to do OK racing. If
you are too conscious of every element, the harmony you seek get broken up.
Try to be satisfied with what you have accomplished. Plain satisfied for
just a little time. Tell yourself you did well - without any
qualifications. Building on the good is more important, in the long-run,
than trying to correct every little bad detail.
--
Sandy
--
C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette.
Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale
à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo.
Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent
un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
-Delerm, P.

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"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.
Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Quoted message said:

Gary Jacobson said:

Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

Quoted message said:

I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on dashed
lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves. In other
words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m paint, 1m no
paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

I can't believe _you_ asked that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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damyth said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Quoted message said:

Yes.

Quoted message said:

damyth said:

Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Quoted message said:

Different question. If you are preoccupied with staying on the 6-inch
line you may ride slower than you would while not thinking about it.

When I was in grammar school, we noticed that riding a road stripe is
pretty attainable even for an 8 year old. I got my stainless elbow
upgrade by extrapolating to a steel beam at a construction site. That's
harder, as it's sorta 'pass-fail'.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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>>> Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say
>>> the paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic)
>>> provide lower rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
>>> Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
>>> asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling
>>> resistance as well for drier conditions.
>>> Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
>>> trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted
>>> line rather than the asphalt?
>> Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and
>> that means less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read
>> and perceived myself, and it makes sense.

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>> Gary Jacobson
>> Rosendale, NY

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> I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on
> dashed lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves.
> In other words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m
> paint, 1m no paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

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> Joseph

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You must have to much time if you wondering about this. Just go ride
and have fun...

Quoted message said:

Wondering about these things while riding IS fun!

Quoted message said:

Joseph

A serious (close?) observation.

You have posed quite a few questions about a scad of technical points,
mechanical, physiological, other. I think you have the same disease I
suspect Thomas Voeckler has - he thinks too much about the peripheral
elements of a race, loses concentration on the task at hand, cogitates about
how to do things differently, and slides fast to the back.

You have had too many picaune observations about minutiae that you pay
attention to while you are trying to race or train. I think you are not
getting to the level where endorphin energizes you. Embrace those moments.
Leave the pilot-light cerebral functions focused on the riding while riding.
If you later can extract some facts from memory, or from measurement
equipment, see if you can think about it later, not while riding.

I write this pretty candidly, so you can get a very different point of
view - not from tech wizards, but from a guy who used to do OK racing. If
you are too conscious of every element, the harmony you seek get broken up.
Try to be satisfied with what you have accomplished. Plain satisfied for
just a little time. Tell yourself you did well - without any
qualifications. Building on the good is more important, in the long-run,
than trying to correct every little bad detail.

I read this last night and slept on it. Some very astute observations
here which I am glad you took the time and care to share. I think you
may be very correct. At times this pointless pondering is just an
amusement, but perhaps more often than not it is a vehicle for
excuses. Particularly when I am trying to accomplish something. And I
do seldom get the endorphin action going. In a TT instead of getting
goose bumps from hammering at full throttle I'm sitting there
calculating splits based on when I meet riders who are on the return
leg and making mental downward adjustments to my goals for
"unsuitable" conditions (there are hills, I don't have a TT bike, I
didn't warm up, etc, etc). In otherwords using my brain at 100% for
nothing. At the finish I'm winded, but everyone else seems wasted. I'm
doing something wrong.

Watching the prolouge, I was hoping someone would ask one of the
riders what they think about while riding. But that desire to know
what they are thinking is indicative of my whole preoccupation, right?

Maybe I should just go for a ride. ;-)

Joseph

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"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
> paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
> rolling resistance than plain asphalt?
> Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
> asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
> as well for drier conditions.
> Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
> trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
> rather than the asphalt?

Gary Jacobson said:

Yes. The more consistent surface results in less vibration and that means
less loss of energy. At least that is what I've read and perceived myself,
and it makes sense.

Quoted message said:

I've wondered if the sharp transition from paint to no-paint on dashed
lines creates more resistance tnan the smooth paint saves. In other
words, is it worth trying to ride on dashed lines (say 2m paint, 1m no
paint, 2m paint, etc), or just solid ones?

I can't believe _you_ asked that.
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

What am I missing? Am I so crazy I have no idea how crazy I am?

Joseph

does sheeet float or what? do bear sheeet in the woods? does water run
up hill in DC? did bees make honey? do you need a weatherman? does
your doctor know?
are paint strips an enoorrmoliurous PITA?
CONSIDER! energy losses from motions not in the desired line of
travel.
THINK! of your last ride on an unbalanced, untruely wheel with a hop
in it.

damyth said:

Generally speaking, in dry weather, would the paint stripe (say the
paint line demarcating the bike lane from road traffic) provide lower
rolling resistance than plain asphalt?

Paint stripes are as slippery in the wet (generally more so than
asphalt), I'm just wondering if this implies lower rolling resistance
as well for drier conditions.

Or stated another way, would an individual's total time in a time
trial be reduced if he rode almost all the time on the painted line
rather than the asphalt?

Yes - in fact, I follow them myself in time trials, where they're
available and don't pass over every storm drain.