Road or mountain shoe

"Antonio" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:f9E6f.266840$1i.243446@pd7tw2no:

Quoted message said:

what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles.

Most clipless road pedals will not work with MTB shoes.
You can use MTB pedals on a road bike.

Antonio Tonzie said:

what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles.
t.i.a.

There is no difference if you use SPD pedals other than tread design
of the sole. However, this does not effect riding (once in the
pedals). MTB shoes generally have waffle stomper knobby soles that I
prefer not to use because they track dirt into the house after walking
on soft soil. Of course, when walking up a slimy slope, they are
handy but don't wear them into the house afterwards.

As I said, the TO-92 SPD shoe has all the features I always wanted in
a bicycle shoe.

http://tinyurl.com/d8l3d

A point that should be mentioned is that, for track racing, many
riders still prefer straps and clips for the reason that step in
pedals release by twisting the foot to either side. During a standing
start sprint, pedaling forces are great enough to mask any rotation a
rider might make and this has caused riders to disconnect while
standing. This can cause a dive over the bars or other loss of
control.

I am not sure whether this is an effect from converting from clips and
straps to step in pedals, but straight pull out of the SPD pedals does
not occur without rotation. I found I had that problem a couple of
times in the first year after switching, so I suspect it was a
holdover effect.

Jobst Brandt

:
: I am not sure whether this is an effect from converting from clips and
: straps to step in pedals, but straight pull out of the SPD pedals does
: not occur without rotation. I found I had that problem a couple of
: times in the first year after switching, so I suspect it was a
: holdover effect.
:
: Jobst Brandt

Recently, I was having trouble getting out of my Speedplay Zero's. They have
always been stiff (in comparison with the Looks I had been using). I really
had to use some force to twist out of them after one ride. Well, a couple of
days later, I went to the doc for a different reason, and, while there,
mentioned my leg hurt. He looked at it and said, "Your fibula is slightly
out of position. How did that happen?" How's that for rotational force? I'm
switching to SPD pedals.

Pat in TX

Antonio said:

hello,
what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles.
t.i.a.

Didn't I answer this question for you, a week ago? Did you look at
the links I provided? The photos of the various shoes, pedals, and
cleats, will help you understand them better.

Here, reread my answer:
http://groups.google.co.in/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/7fbd540ac80663b/13db96aac0c61594?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2&hl=en#13db96aac0c61594

The link above will take you to the thread titled
"Shoes boot & clipless pedals"

Life is Good!
Jeff

Pat <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> : I am not sure whether this is an effect from converting from clips
:> : and straps to step in pedals, but straight pull out of the SPD
:> : pedals does not occur without rotation. I found I had that
:> : problem a couple of
:> : times in the first year after switching, so I suspect it was a
:> : holdover effect.
:> :
:> : Jobst Brandt
:>
:> Recently, I was having trouble getting out of my Speedplay Zero's.
:> They have always been stiff (in comparison with the Looks I had been
:> using). I really had to use some force to twist out of them after
:> one ride. Well, a couple of days later, I went to the doc for a
:> different reason, and, while there, mentioned my leg hurt. He
:> looked at it and said, "Your fibula is slightly out of position. How
:> did that happen?" How's that for rotational force? I'm switching to
:> SPD pedals.

Wow.

Antonio said:

hello,
what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles.
t.i.a.

MTB shoes are usually lugged which gives traction while walking in
loose terrain. MTB shoes are usually more flexible which makes walking
easier, but in my opinion is more fatiguing for long rides. MTB shoes
are also usually heavier. MTB shoes are usually set up with some sort
of recessed cleat which also makes walking easier.

On the road I like a solid level platform like found on the Shimano
SPD-SL system. I find the MTB style SPD system to be a bit wobbly,
which suits me fine on MTB, but was irritating when I tried them on the
road. So cleat/pedal preferences also have a bearing on shoe choice.

Joseph

jobst.brandt said:

Antonio Tonzie said:

what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles. t.i.a.

There is no difference if you use SPD pedals other than tread design of
the sole. However, this does not effect riding (once in the pedals).
MTB shoes generally have waffle stomper knobby soles that I prefer not
to use because they track dirt into the house after walking on soft
soil. Of course, when walking up a slimy slope, they are handy but
don't wear them into the house afterwards.

As I said, the TO-92 SPD shoe has all the features I always wanted in a
bicycle shoe.

http://tinyurl.com/d8l3d

Those look great, but I've never seen them for sale anywhere. It's a
shame. Sensible SPD shoes with walkable soles have disappeared, in favor
of minimalist shoes with no outsole, and fully exposed cleats. This
defeats the purpose of SPD. We're duck-walking all over again.

My Sidi MTB shoes are identical to the road models except for the lugged
sole. They're not great to walk in, but they're much better than the road
shoes, with no other downside.

Cheaper MTB shoes are glorified hiking shoes with SPD cleat mounts.
They're designed to appeal to beginners who may be attracted to the rugged
appearance, but don't understand what works (or doesn't). These shoes are
too flexible, loose fitting, heavy, don't dry overnight, and don't last.
But they're usually cheaper, and may be better to walk in. Better quality
MTB shoes are identical to road shoes, except for the sole.

Matt O.

Jeff Starr said:

Quoted message said:

what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles.

Quoted message said:

Didn't I answer this question for you, a week ago?

You did. And it was a pretty good explanation. It taught me the
differences, so your post was not a total loss.

Rich

Matt O'Toole said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what are the differences, pro and con of the two styles. t.i.a.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There is no difference if you use SPD pedals other than tread
design of the sole. However, this does not effect riding (once in
the pedals). MTB shoes generally have waffle stomper knobby soles
that I prefer not to use because they track dirt into the house
after walking on soft soil. Of course, when walking up a slimy
slope, they are handy but don't wear them into the house
afterwards.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As I said, the TO-92 SPD shoe has all the features I always wanted
in a bicycle shoe.

http://tinyurl.com/d8l3d

Quoted message said:

Those look great, but I've never seen them for sale anywhere. It's
a shame. Sensible SPD shoes with walkable soles have disappeared,
in favor of minimalist shoes with no outsole, and fully exposed
cleats. This defeats the purpose of SPD. We're duck-walking all
over again.

That's what a good LBS is for. You ask them to order you a pair in
your size and you're in, so to speak. I've done that a few times now.
My shoes last about 4-5 years and it's the nylon mesh that fails, not
the structure of the shoe.

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My Sidi MTB shoes are identical to the road models except for the
lugged sole. They're not great to walk in, but they're much better
than the road shoes, with no other downside.

At InterBike, I saw the next generation of the TO-92 and it has a new
name for some stupid reason. That way you can't find it among their
endless list of shoes.

Quoted message said:

Cheaper MTB shoes are glorified hiking shoes with SPD cleat mounts.
They're designed to appeal to beginners who may be attracted to the
rugged appearance, but don't understand what works (or doesn't).
These shoes are too flexible, loose fitting, heavy, don't dry
overnight, and don't last. But they're usually cheaper, and may be
better to walk in. Better quality MTB shoes are identical to road
shoes, except for the sole.

I had the pleasure of using such shoes once when I forgot to pack my
shoes for a trip in the Alps. As You say, they were big spongy and
tracked dirt with their waffle soles. Other than that, they fit my
pedals and you could walk in them.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Recently, I was having trouble getting out of my Speedplay Zero's. They have
always been stiff (in comparison with the Looks I had been using). I really
had to use some force to twist out of them after one ride. Well, a couple of
days later, I went to the doc for a different reason, and, while there,
mentioned my leg hurt. He looked at it and said, "Your fibula is slightly
out of position. How did that happen?" How's that for rotational force? I'm
switching to SPD pedals.

No experience with the Zero's,but the orginal X-series Speedplays take less
force than an SPD to release.

Chris Neary
[email hidden]

"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

Quoted message said:

MTB shoes are usually lugged which gives traction while walking in
loose terrain. MTB shoes are usually more flexible which makes walking
easier, but in my opinion is more fatiguing for long rides.

Depends.

As far as i can tell, the only difference in construction between Sidi's
road and mountain shoes is the addition of the lugged outsole on the
mountain sole. Both are quite stiff.

Chris Neary
[email hidden]

"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

:
: No experience with the Zero's,but the orginal X-series Speedplays take
less
: force than an SPD to release.
:
:
: Chris Neary

Every time I would talk to people with Speedplay Zero's, they would always
say, "Nah, I'm not having any problem." or "They're fairly easy to get in
and out." Mine, however, were always stiff, no matter what I did to them.

Pat in TX

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

MTB shoes are usually lugged which gives traction while walking in
loose terrain. MTB shoes are usually more flexible which makes walking
easier, but in my opinion is more fatiguing for long rides.

Depends.

As far as i can tell, the only difference in construction between Sidi's
road and mountain shoes is the addition of the lugged outsole on the
mountain sole. Both are quite stiff.

I use Diadora Geko road and MTB. It's like night and day. The MTB
version feels like a pair of flip-flops in comparison! I got them
because they were the only shoes I could find in size 50. Sidi makes
large sizes too, so I think I'll see if I can find some, since you say
they are stiff.

Joseph