Road Camber problem

TattooedBandit said:

OK I know i've read about this somewhere before but i couldn't find it
again and my searches came up with too much unrelated stuff to search
through.

I went for my first decent ride today now that i'm more confident at
not looking stupid and found the road camber quite annoying. What I
would like to know is whether this can be overcome (or reduced) by
tyre/pressure selection etc. or whether this is something that you just
have to live with. Obviously i rode in the middle of the road as much
as possible to minimise the camber effect. But this is not always
possible.

Currently I am riding a 26" Nimbus with a 2.5" Hookworm. Pressure not
hard or flat, just nice comfort with a little bit of spring.

Just out of curiosity, does wheel size make a big difference? I am
hoping to get a 36" eventually.

I think maybe you would find more search results searching for ''Road
crown'', but I don't know..

For me, road crown (that's what I call it..) was a big issue when I was
using my BA 2.35 on my 29. I switched to my kenda nevegal (a knobbly
offroad tyre), and it's fine. I have no issues whatsoever.

I think in the past, I have read that things such as increasing the
tyre PSI and seat height can make it easier to ride on slanted roads.

Don't take it for gospel, but my advice is that you get a knobbly tyre.
I'm not sure what there is available for 26s, but I'm only saying this
because it worked for me.

Having a harder tyre did help me too, but the seat height thing
didn't.

You may just need to experiment.

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I've got a 3" Duro Wildlife Leopard that came with the uni but for
learning purposes i bought the hookworm and figured it would also be
better for the road. I was planning on keeping the Duro for when i am
good enough for some proper Muni.

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Tyre choice will certainly affect the influence of any camber.

The HookWorm is a fantastic tyre on the flat, but it is very sensitive
to camber. I have a 24" one I ride regularly, and need it pumped up
fairly hard to make it a decent ride. The more you practice, however,
the more you'll get used to it.

Swapping to a thinner tyre will also help. Something with a more
squarish profile rather than a big rounded one.

Wheel size doesn't really make a difference. Some large diameter tyres
are more sensitive to it, and some small diameter ones are too.

Jamessd, have you tried the 2.0" BA? I really don't like the 2.35"
because of the way it handles camber, but the 2.0" is fantastic, and
much more efficient on tarmac than a knobbly tyre.

STM

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Some tires are definitely a lot more sensitive to road camber than
others. The problem is figuring out which ones. 🙁 I have a Big
Apple tire on my 29" and never noticed any problems. But I did have
some camber problems on my Coker when the tire was worn down. I never
noticed anything when the tire was new, but after lots of training for
the Lake Tahoe ride, all the knobs in the middle of the tire were gone,
and that ride is along a shoulderless, narrow road so it was really
noticeable. Even at that though, the much more experienced Nathan and
Beau Hoover said "you get used to it."

The following year I did the ride with a relatively new Radial TA tire
and camber didn't bother me a bit. Both of those tires have relatively
roundish profiles, and I *highly* recommend a round tire over a square
one for dealing with camber. Square tires tend to be more sensitive
when you're riding more on one side than the other.

But also there's some degree of getting used to riding on the side of
the road, so part of it can be you as well. Work on relaxing and
finding a "groove" where you don't have to do extra work to go in a
straight line. If this is only possible while sitting crooked or
bending your body to the side, you definitely need to try a different
tire (and make sure your wheel is centered in your frame). I recommend
high pressure to start. It's always easier to let some out than put
more in!

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johnfoss said:

and I *highly* recommend a round tire over a square one for dealing
with camber.

But surely with round tyres the fact that one side of the tyre is in
contact with the road means that it pushes you sideways so the whole
tyre contacts the
road?

That is why I assumed my nevegal worked better, because of the flatter
shape.

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jamessd said:

But surely with round tyres the fact that one side of the tyre is in
contact with the road means that it pushes you sideways so the whole
tyre contacts the road?

As opposed to a square tire, which "fights" being ridden lopsided? I
think the jury is still out. From the loads of anecdotal evidence I've
heard over the years, it's not a straight answer of round vs. square as
some square tires seem to have worked fine for some people, while
others had problems with round ones.

Also, having just taken a look at my Radial TA tire, though it's
roundish along the tread, it has corners on either side so it's a bit
square as well.

So for best results, I guess you should ask for feedback on specific
tires to find out what's working for people who already own them...

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I have roughly the same problem there is a camber on the road that im
using to learn, I can get down the street and around the corner but
when I try to go back its like I haven't learnt a thing. I think its
something that you have to get used to

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tistom said:

I have roughly the same problem there is a camber on the road that im
using to learn, I can get down the street and around the corner but
when I try to go back its like I haven't learnt a thing.

From that description it sounds like you're good at leaning to one side
but not the other. That's probably "beginner stuff" that you'll
overcome with more practice/experience. Practice both sides, turning to
both sides, etc.

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Road crown or camber affects all riders and tires differently. The
degree that it affects them depends on many things. The inside profile
of the tire is just as important as the outside profile and running
pressure. Together the profiles and pressure determine the tire's
footprint on the road as a function of angle and pressure. Squirrelly
tires at low pressures may ride more upright at higher pressures or may
show no improvement at all with pressure increase. Hearing about
experiences with specific tires from other people is information that
is about as accurate as you can get. The only more accurate information
is from your own experience. Wheel size really doesn't make a
difference other than it sometimes restricts the tire profiles from
which you may select.

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Tire profiles and pressures aside, one thing I learned for myself is
that a touring handle can make road camber easier to manage.

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I think road camber is a problem w/ everyone as they are learning.

It was a huge issue w/ me. Getting good at tight figure 8's helped.
Now it's not a big problem for me.

Also when learning I had a tendency to vear to one side. Holding that
arm forward helped, but it was anoying and wasted energy. Doing LOTS
of smooth tight circles in the opposite direction cured this for me.

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TattooedBandit said:

Just out of curiosity, does wheel size make a big difference? I am
hoping to get a 36" eventually.

I have ridden with both the original Coker tyre and the TA and haven't
noticed too much difference in handling of road camber. I remember one
race I did last year (www.coasttocoast.co.nz) where I did the 70km
stage on a Wheel TA tyre. I was fighting the road camber the whole
way. I had to really aim the tyre to towards the centre of the road
and lean myself right over just to keep in a straight line.

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I found my coker (with TA tyre) was really badly affected by crown until
I let the pressure down significantly. I started with it at 50psi or
so, because most people on here seem to run them at high pressure, but
it was really horrible to control. I let it down to about 25psi for
some cross-country and found it was also much better on the road - no
more trying to throw me into the gutter. Now I tend to keep it
somewhere between 25 and 30psi for everything.

The nearest I've ridden to your tyre was a 26x1.5" road tyre I put on
my muni for one long road ride a few years ago before I had my coker.
I started off with that at about 70 or 80psi (like I would have run it
on a bike) but it was much nicer at lower pressure, probably more like
45 or 50 (this was a thin-walled bike tyre). I did about 60 miles on
it that day and it was actually quite a nice ride for a tyre I just
happened to have. I don't remember it being affected much by road
camber, even through town.

Rob

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Almost every kind of vehicle designed for air, water or land uses some
form of 'trim device' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_tab) or 'wheel
alignment' (http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm) to counter adverse
control forces. I'm surprised no one has yet developed some sort of
shifting weight or angle adjustment for unicycles along these lines.
A simple twist knob or push/pull cable could be utilized to make minor
adjustments on the go.

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beginnerdad said:

I'm surprised no one has yet developed some sort of shifting weight or
angle adjustment for unicycles along these lines.

It's called a torso 😉

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