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  1. In a recent posting here road camber was listed with a long line of other conditions that can
    contribute to injuries.

    Camber as I understand the term, is the transversal slope of the road extending from the crown to
    the edge of the road to facilate water drainage.

    When I run near the edge of the roadway, one foot has to "drop" maybe an inch more than the other in
    striking the road.

    I gather that one leg is extended a little more fully than the other. This is probably not ideal.

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be best
    for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the effects
    of camber.

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be
    best for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the
    effects of camber.

    Neither side is good if the slope is that much. Alternating is not less abusive but abuses both
    sides of the body regardless on dominent side. I'd try to a road that has littl to no slope.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

    You may feel funny running up the center but as long as there are no cars it is better than the
    sides assuming a flat road is not available.

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  3. You need to alternate, especially if there's that much of a drop.

    [email hidden] wrote in message news:<27494-3FFDE442-814@storefull-
    2237.public.lawson.webtv.net>...

    Quoted message said:

    In a recent posting here road camber was listed with a long line of other conditions that can
    contribute to injuries.

    Camber as I understand the term, is the transversal slope of the road extending from the crown to
    the edge of the road to facilate water drainage.

    When I run near the edge of the roadway, one foot has to "drop" maybe an inch more than the other
    in striking the road.

    I gather that one leg is extended a little more fully than the other. This is probably not ideal.

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be
    best for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the
    effects of camber.

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

  4. Quoted message said:

    You may feel funny running up the center but as long as there are no cars it


    is better than the sides

    I do this myself nearly every day -- but I run between 4:30 am and 6:00 am or so! You may get funny
    looks from the newspaper delivery guys, the street cleaner guys, and cops, but...so what?

    Other early morning runners must have noticed how, in addition to knowing the paper and street
    cleaner guys, you get familiar with every house that has broken sprinklers, a natural gas leak,
    or has someone who never goes to bed? Sometimes I think there's a book or a short story in pre-
    dawn runs....

  5. TopCounsel said:

    Other early morning runners must have noticed how, in addition to knowing the paper and street
    cleaner guys, you get familiar with every house that has broken sprinklers, a natural gas leak, or
    has someone who never goes to bed? Sometimes I think there's a book or a short story in pre-dawn
    runs....

    And I thought I was the only crazy that noticed the bizarre early morning movement. 🙂 Years back
    before retirement I used to run at 5 am. The most interesting mornings were after a fresh snow and
    before the plows. Less the foot prints of the paper boy zig zagging up driveways, you got to see
    what animal life was awake and carousing your neighborhood. As for people you could always tell what
    houses had kids because the TVs were on with cartoons. Each season has it's share of rewarding
    observations. Sleepy mornings are truly fun to run.

    Hey Dot it's zero here and 20 by you, got a spare room, I need some heat. 😉

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  6. Angus MacDaffy said:

    You need to alternate, especially if there's that much of a drop.

    The only thing alternating will do is screw up both sides. Stick to trolling, you're better at it.

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  7. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In a recent posting here road camber was listed with a long line of other conditions that can
    contribute to injuries.

    Camber as I understand the term, is the transversal slope of the road extending from the crown to
    the edge of the road to facilate water drainage.

    When I run near the edge of the roadway, one foot has to "drop" maybe an inch more than the other
    in striking the road.

    I gather that one leg is extended a little more fully than the other. This is probably not ideal.

    I also find this a big problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be
    best for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the
    effects of camber.

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

    The not feeling right may be the result of being squashed by somebody's 4WD. Or the worry. J

  8. Don't forget the joy of triggering every motion sensitive outdoor light
    in the neighborhood. 🙂

    TopCounsel said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other early morning runners must have noticed how, in addition to knowing the paper and street
    cleaner guys, you get familiar with every house that has broken sprinklers, a natural gas leak, or
    has someone who never goes to bed? Sometimes I think there's a book or a short story in pre-dawn
    runs....

    --
    Random number generation is too vital a task to be left to chance.

  9. Jonathan Sydenham said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:27494-3FFDE442-814@storefull-
    2237.public.lawson.webtv.net...

    Quoted message said:

    In a recent posting here road camber was listed with a long line of other conditions that can
    contribute to injuries.

    Camber as I understand the term, is the transversal slope of the road extending from the crown to
    the edge of the road to facilate water drainage.

    When I run near the edge of the roadway, one foot has to "drop" maybe an inch more than the other
    in striking the road.

    I gather that one leg is extended a little more fully than the other. This is probably not ideal.

    I also find this a big problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be
    best for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the
    effects of camber.

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

    The not feeling right may be the result of being squashed by somebody's 4WD. Or the worry. J


    If the traffic is very light, I try to divide my time between each shoulder (facing traffic, and
    facing away from traffic). I also try to take into account the slope of the sidewalks I'm
    running on.

    Scott

  10. Doug Freese <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Angus MacDaffy said:

    You need to alternate, especially if there's that much of a drop.

    The only thing alternating will do is screw up both sides. Stick to trolling, you're better at it.

    I too have run in the middle of the night, especially when snow makes the roads bad during higher
    traffic hours. I would just add that extreme concentration needs to be exercised when running on the
    right or center of the road especially. Vehicles can be very quiet in the snow and you could be very
    dead. Anybody that has run a long time has had close calls. You learn to run on the level off the
    road if possible and on the left facing traffic if necessary.

  11. Doug Freese <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    TopCounsel said:

    Other early morning runners must have noticed how, in addition to knowing the paper and street
    cleaner guys, you get familiar with every house that has broken sprinklers, a natural gas leak,
    or has someone who never goes to bed? Sometimes I think there's a book or a short story in pre-
    dawn runs....

    And I thought I was the only crazy that noticed the bizarre early morning movement. 🙂 Years back
    before retirement I used to run at 5 am. The most interesting mornings were after a fresh snow and
    before the plows. Less the foot prints of the paper boy zig zagging up driveways, you got to see
    what animal life was awake and carousing your neighborhood. As for people you could always tell
    what houses had kids because the TVs were on with cartoons. Each season has it's share of
    rewarding observations. Sleepy mornings are truly fun to run.

    Hey Dot it's zero here and 20 by you, got a spare room, I need some heat. 😉

    Doug, you don't need to go that far. The cold front is just north of us. It's in the high
    20's today.

    And, speaking of animal life, I was glad I ran outside today. There was a lark hawk in a tree about
    ten feet away at the closest point when I ran past. He was eyeing a dead squirrel in the road.
    Beautiful and fearsome creature.

    Then on the way back Another squirrel could not decide which direction to run until I was about
    2feet away. It was funny how it started left, then right, theleft, then finally right, to the tree
    instead of the telephone pole.

    Get off the eliptical, Bill, and see some nature!

    Enjoy the run. I know I did today. Ed

  12. Doug Freese said:


    Hey Dot it's zero here and 20 by you, got a spare room, I need some heat. 😉

    Sure do - and the power's back on too 😉

    Not sure what weather page you use, but we just now got up to 20F (noon here). At the time you
    posted (2:30am AST, 6:30am EST, I think) my house was still around 0F and weatherunderground might
    have been showing a little above 0F (I was working until about 2:30 or 3am). It hasn't been too long
    ago that you were almost colder than Fairbanks 😉

    Your weather page obviously doesn't have the wind speeds either 😉 Last night's run was near 0F
    with about nominally 20-30mph winds, windchill about -14F. I think they get their windspeeds from
    the airport, but I'm closer to the source of the Matanuska winds. I'm sure some of the gusts were
    close to 40mph since they were trying desperately to blow my hood off 😉 (good gear test!!) The
    weather page I use for you showed you about 10F, iirc, but not sure how close that weather station
    is to you.

    Tues night and Wed morning, we had temperatures near 0F AND winds that were probably 40-50mph with
    gusts to 70mph. Yes, I went for a run that evening - a very short run since I needed to pack to
    leave on a business trip in morning, which eventually got cancelled (for me, anyway) because the
    planes couldn't get out of Seattle and Portland 🙂 I was backpedalling uphill (no traffic, just my
    little hill in subdivision, and we do backward running in cross-training class as well as resistance
    running) during the worst of the gusts, then having to brake on the downhill / tailwind since it was
    blowing so hard. Just another Alaskan run 😉

    Power went out for about 5 hrs Tues night/Wed am. I always hate that when I'm working diligently on
    something, then suddenly the only light is my computer monitor and the "on" lights on whatever
    things are connected to my UPS. Sometimes it'll be back on within 5 min, but once the 5 min went
    past, I decided to shut down gracefully - and finish packing by led headlight. Green headlights make
    for some funny colored clothes 😉 People's cars were getting drifted back in as fast as they could
    dig them out on Wed am.

    This was the same weather pattern as last March when we had the 70-90mph winds and subzero temps and
    extensive damage, but fortunately not as severe or persistent this time. We have snow cover this
    year to eliminate the brush fires like we had last year. Not sure what the windchill was then.
    Normally when the wind blows, it gets warmer - like to 40F in less than an hour, and less than about
    1.5 mi away, it may still be 0F. This is why we frequently just look at thermometer rather than
    trying to see if wind is actually blowing. I think they call this a "boreal" wind (strong winds and
    very cold temperatures), and it's fairly unusual.

    For the last couple months we've been mostly in the -5 to +15F range with occasional excursions to
    20 and 30 for some runs and dips to -15F on planned non-running days. And we've had snow cover
    almost since the start. It's actually been pretty nice with the right gear and paying attention to
    keeping the fluid from freezing.

    It's supposed to warm up starting now with temps in the 20s to 30s. I just hope it doesn't rot
    the snow, OR we get a few inches new stuff with the system that's coming in - at least that's
    what's forecast.

    Over the past few days, I've really come to appreciate how well designed my REI gore-tex jacket is -
    not perfect, by any means, but a lot better than my other jackets. I got it for the tri that first
    winter, then didn't use it last year, but it's gotten a lot of really good use this year - in
    weather that I wouldn't consider trying any of my other jackets in. I've had a lot of opportunity to
    test various layering systems under different temperature / wind regimes.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  13. I have been watching this thread and I must say I am surprised that some feel running down the
    middle of the road is an acceptable way to run. Sorry but I could never recommend that a runner ever
    run down the middle of a road. If the crown of the road is a problem then, in my opinion, dont run
    on them. The roads are designed for vehicles, not runners and most drivers are not thinking they
    need to watch out that around the next bend there may be a runner in the middle of the road. I
    suggest you take your car and drive to a better place to run in lue of putting yourself in harms
    way. There are far more places that are good to run on then there are surfaces good to drive on.
    Respect the cars, after all they are licensed to be on the road, runners are not.

    I am an avid runner but I am amazed at how stupid some runners can be in my local neighborhood.
    Running in the dark, in the roadway, wearing all black or navy blue is a popular thing here. There
    have been more then a few runners I have almost hit and only really saw them because of a small
    piece of reflective material on the backs of there running shoes because they were running in the
    dark, dressed head to toe in dark colors. Leave the roads to the cars.

    One of my all time favorite places to run is on the very edge of a high school football field when
    no one is using the field for game or practise. The super cushony surface is pure heaven on the
    body. You still get the "jog" to your frame but the impact is like running on a cloud. I can run
    twice as far on these surfaces and only stop because i think my wife is wondering were i am and why
    i am running so long.

    Jim

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:27494-3FFDE442-814@storefull-
    2237.public.lawson.webtv.net...

    Quoted message said:

    In a recent posting here road camber was listed with a long line of other conditions that can
    contribute to injuries.

    Camber as I understand the term, is the transversal slope of the road extending from the crown to
    the edge of the road to facilate water drainage.

    When I run near the edge of the roadway, one foot has to "drop" maybe an inch more than the other
    in striking the road.

    I gather that one leg is extended a little more fully than the other. This is probably not ideal.

    Let's assume that I am righthanded with a "dominant" right leg. Which side of the road would be
    best for me ? Or should I alternate sides of the road during each run in order to "balance" the
    effects of camber.

    Maybe I should run on the crown of a road with little or no vehicular traffic. Whenever I've tried
    that, it just didn't feel right.

  14. This subject really interested me because about 3 months ago I moved from the city where I've lived
    most of my life to the country 14 miles away. I immediately noticed that the roads were very
    crowned. At first it was nice because there was much less traffic than I was used to in the city,
    but after about a month my lower back and left hip became very aggravated ( I have chronic back
    problems anyway). It took me a little while to realize it was from the roads. So now I have to drive
    into the city and go back to my old routes, which I missed, but I would rather be able to just walk
    outside and go from my front door. But its worth it if it keeps my back and hip from hurting like
    they were.

    David Dunn

  15. J.M. said:

    I have been watching this thread and I must say I am surprised that some feel running down the
    middle of the road is an acceptable way to run. Sorry but I could never recommend that a runner
    ever run down the middle of a road.

    Yes and no. If the road has medium to heavy traffic then I will agree. If they are secondary roads
    where some vehicle comes every 10 minutes then that is just fine. In the winter we run on some
    beautiful back roads at times ten or more in the middle of the road. When we hear that occasional
    car we move to one side or the other.

    Quoted message said:

    I am an avid runner but I am amazed at how stupid some runners can be in my local neighborhood.
    Running in the dark, in the roadway, wearing all black or navy blue is a popular thing here.

    Agree, not very bright when reflectors are so cheap and convenient.

    Quoted message said:

    One of my all time favorite places to run is on the very edge of a high school football field when
    no one is using the field for game or practise.

    And I'm an avid trail runner when they are not covered by ice. In the winter short of running with
    Donovan on the TM, you have to take to the roads unless you want to cross dress on snowshoes, etc.
    Choosing a safe road, be that minimal traffic or camber, is common sense. I don't think anyone was
    recommending you run down the center line of a heavily trafficked interstate.

    You must have the patience of Job running in circles on the edge of a football field. About two days
    of that monotonous trek and I'd buy a TM and go nuts in the house or run up the center of and
    interstate. Do you change directions every other day or every other lap? 😉

    You sound like you live in a winterless place like Florida.

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  16. What RU retarded? You too stupid to either run down the center, or to alternate sides?

    [email hidden] (David Dunn) wrote in message news:<21565-40003D20-235@storefull-
    2211.public.lawson.webtv.net>...

    Quoted message said:

    This subject really interested me because about 3 months ago I moved from the city where I've
    lived most of my life to the country 14 miles away. I immediately noticed that the roads were very
    crowned. At first it was nice because there was much less traffic than I was used to in the city,
    but after about a month my lower back and left hip became very aggravated ( I have chronic back
    problems anyway). It took me a little while to realize it was from the roads. So now I have to
    drive into the city and go back to my old routes, which I missed, but I would rather be able to
    just walk outside and go from my front door. But its worth it if it keeps my back and hip from
    hurting like they were.

    David Dunn

  17. I can cope with this if running in a group. But running on my own I tend to go into zen mode and am
    oblivious to anything man-made.
    :-)
    J "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    J.M. said:

    I have been watching this thread and I must say I am surprised that some feel running down the
    middle of the road is an acceptable way to run.


    Sorry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but I could never recommend that a runner ever run down the middle of a road.

    Yes and no. If the road has medium to heavy traffic then I will agree. If they are secondary roads
    where some vehicle comes every 10 minutes then that is just fine. In the winter we run on some
    beautiful back roads at times ten or more in the middle of the road. When we hear that occasional
    car we move to one side or the other.

    Quoted message said:

    I am an avid runner but I am amazed at how stupid some runners can be in


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    local neighborhood. Running in the dark, in the roadway, wearing all


    black

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or navy blue is a popular thing here.

    Agree, not very bright when reflectors are so cheap and convenient.

    Quoted message said:

    One of my all time favorite places to run is on the very edge of a high school football field
    when no one is using the field for game or


    practise.

    Quoted message said:


    And I'm an avid trail runner when they are not covered by ice. In the winter short of running with
    Donovan on the TM, you have to take to the roads unless you want to cross dress on snowshoes, etc.
    Choosing a safe road, be that minimal traffic or camber, is common sense. I don't think anyone was
    recommending you run down the center line of a heavily trafficked interstate.

    You must have the patience of Job running in circles on the edge of a football field. About two
    days of that monotonous trek and I'd buy a TM and go nuts in the house or run up the center of and
    interstate. Do you change directions every other day or every other lap? 😉

    You sound like you live in a winterless place like Florida.

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  18. Doug Freese said:
    Quoted message said:

    roads unless you want to cross dress on snowshoes, etc.

    And what do your snowshoe running buddies have to say about this comment ? 😉 😉

    You're just jealous since they can still run snowy trails!

    Dot warmed up but about 4-5 inches of white stuff this morning

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  19. Dot said:
    Doug Freese said:


    Hey Dot it's zero here and 20 by you, got a spare room, I need some heat. 😉

    and we might be able to arrange an earthquake for you 😉 medium guy, but very noticeable, about 10
    min after I sent earlier msg. But earthquakes are spring/fall events, not winter events.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  20. Nice post. Being bred, born & reared down south on the Gulf Coast, the northern inclement weather
    posts are very interesting. Thanks. CAJUNMAN

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