Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:18:08 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Jon Quixote" <[email protected]> wrote
>> You know, speaking of caffiene, that more than anything has sent me
>towards
>> tracking down my likely ADHD. I drank anywhere from two to three
>TWO-LITERS
>> of soda a day for over twenty years. Started with the "Real Thing", then
>> somehow became habituated to Diet Pepsi then Diet Dr. Pepper.
>> I was a running joke even to myself, for I kept a two-liter "going" all
>the
>> time no matter where I was, including out to dinner in public, etc.
>> No diabetes, no sugar craving, just drank it all the time and thought it
>was
>
>And you weren't addicted? Ok, maybe not, but most people who
>tell stories like that were addicts.

with

> I was a running joke even to myself, for I kept a two-liter "going" all
>the
>> time no matter where I was, including out to dinner in public, etc.
>> No diabetes, no sugar craving, just drank it all the time

he will sure as hell do as an addict untill areal addict comes along
its not that hard to switch from one addiction to another...


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"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:13:22 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> >How do you evaluate pain
> >> >with no obvious cause?
> >>
> >> unlike some in this forum who feel quite free to diagnose unmet
> >> strangers with ADHD and prescribe drugs for them I would not have the
> >> hubris to even attempt to..
> >
> >No - You have the hubris to claim that ADHD is not a real entity.
>
> No matter how much you go on about it ..the fact reamains there is
> no objective test for ADHD and no biological markers to support the
> contention it is some sort of disease like diabetes..Diabetes is
> discovered..the diagnosis comes after the discovery is confirmed by
> evidence..
>
> ADHD is inferred and there is no means of objective verification..

Same for pain.


> >You say that pain is a real entity worthy of treatment but when asked how
the
> >diagnosis/reality of the two differ you just say to ask a pain
specialist.
> >If that is your answer for pain then why is not your solution for ADHD to
> >just refer the kid to a qualified specialist?
>
> there are no objective referents for ADHD that a "ADHD specialist" no
> matter how qualified ..can discover..
>
> none.

Or a pain management specialist.


> >>
> >> >Specifically, how do you establish that it is real?
> >>
> >> I do not..that is a matter for a neurologist..
> >
> >Then how do you establish that ADHD is not real without also having to
> >discount pain?
>
> the onus is on the person wishing to put an infant on a lifetime of
> amphetamines to establish the reality of their construct..
>
> the existence of referred pain in no way justifies this..

You continue to dodge my question about the difference. You accept treatment
for one subjective syndrome with no objective test but reject another
becasue it lacks an objective test. Please tell us how you logically defend
this apparent contradiction.


> >> >How does this differ from the diagnosis of ADHD (i.e why is one valid
but
> >> >the other isn't?)?
> >>
> >> one is a medical problem..the other is not a medical problem but the
> >> medicalization of social issues..
> >
> >How can you accept pain with no obvious cause (like RSD) as a medical
> >problem but not ADHD?
>
> The one is a universal medical problem acknowledged and accepted by
> medicine world wide..

Non-answer. Basically, what you are saying is that one is because it is and
the othe risn't because it isn't. I'm afraid you will have to do better than
that.



> the other is an epidemic that seemingly exists only in the USA and
> the UK and in places where the empire building "ADHD specialists " you
> speak of are given credibility..

Not at all. The studies on ADD show that the rates have been the same in
just about all cultures studied and that they have been stable for decades.
The only things that are differing are the rates of diagnosis. If you care
to find the answers for yourself you could start by searching on the work of
Dr. Safer.


> Chronic pain is a far diffent kettle of fish to kids wriggling in
> their seats in a schoolroom..or not paying sufficient attention to thr
> pearls of wisdom dispensed by the teacher..

OK- How? Why?

One kids seems to have ADD. The other seems to be in pain. Neither has an
abjective test to support the apparent diagnosis. Why do you reject one but
accept the other?


> It is a gross insult to diabetics and those with authenticated
> medical problems to suggest otherwise..

No, it is a gross insult to people with ADD to suggest what you suggest.


> > What criterion are you using other than just
> > starting with your own presumptions?

The question still stands.

--
CBI, MD
 
SumBuny wrote:

>
> "Jon Quixote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:z%[email protected]...
>>
>> I was... addicted to keeping focused. That is the reason I used it,
>> I'm certain. It was my "pause that refreshes ("concentrates", that
>> is,) at the times I couldn't be smoking.
>
>
> You do realise that nicotine (in cigarettes) is also a central nervous
> *stimulant*?

and depressant, hence you smoke again. tis a wikked fing fags is.

sammi
 
Jon Quixote wrote:


> It also explains more neatly why I didn't/don't have any particular
> smoking pattern. I'll *average* perhaps a pack a day, but there are
> times it'll shoot up to three packs(!) and others where I may only
> smoke half a pack or less. There's the stress-reduction element,
> certainly, but in hindsight (and monitoring myself now) I see that I
> tend to smoke (or drink soda in the past) the most intensely when I'm
> hyperfocusing.

yes, that is true of me too.
and corfee, drink far to much of that. despite ritalin.
now if they did self-discipline inna pill i'd be well away.

sammi
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:07:48 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:13:02 -0500, nknisley
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >David Wright wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >> jake <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:29:03 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> >> >>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Edited for clarity
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:[email protected]...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>Dr. Mary Ann Block
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>BTW, in some recent readsing, I came accross this little gem....
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>http://www.fumento.com/adhdblock.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Imagine if anyone who is pro med used an expert that was this
> >tainted.....
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Agreed..
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Michael Fumento must be one of the most tainted authors on the
> >> >>>planet..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, the usual "attack the messenger." Don't attempt to refute the
> >> >> message, which you can't anyway, unless you're going to start
> >> >> claiming that Block is an MD or something.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>dealing with the issue of diabetes being qualitatively distinct
> >> >>
> >> >>>from a construct such as ADHD..is a far better idea than using smear
> >> >>
> >> >>>tactics against those with the temerity to mention it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reporting facts about Block is now a smear tactic. Will wonders
never
> >> >> cease?
> >> >
> >> >Especially coming from jake--who often attempts discredit peer
reviewed
> >> >published studies of medications merely by pointing out that the
> >> >researchers have links to pharmaceutical companies.
> >>
> >> you ..presumeably..would wish readers to remain in ignorance of
> >> the fact that these "objective scientific" studies are commissioned
> >> and paid for by the producers of the drug from their billions of
> >> dollars PR budget?
> >
> >And, when i poin tout that so and so is in bed with the Sceinos, or
> >something about Breggin or Baughman, et al, you jump all over me. Strange
> >set of standards you have there. They seem "Do as I say, not as I do."
>
> It is absurd to suggest that the scientologists criticisms of
> psychiatric policies is in any way comparable with the influence
> weilded by multinational pharmaceutical companies that have wormed
> their way into the White House itself to plunder the public purse..
>
> when was the last time a president signed a bill giving them billions
> of dollars at a stroke..or passed legislation that appeared
> anonymously in the Homeland Security Act that granted them immunity
> from being sued?
>
> It is no more comparable than ADHD and diabetes..
>
> the accusations of scientolgy are a stale old trick..
> pulled out of the hat to abuse people and derail discussions
> when the issues cannot be addressed..

As I said, your double standard is showing.
 
"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "jake" <[email protected]> wrote
> > the accusations of scientolgy are a stale old trick..
> > pulled out of the hat to abuse people and derail discussions
> > when the issues cannot be addressed..
>
> That's right. Scientology is just a small fringe group compared to
> the drug industry.

A small fringe group that got the IRS to cry uncle.
 
Roger Schlafly wrote:

> "Jon Quixote" <[email protected]> wrote
>> You know, speaking of caffiene, that more than anything has sent me
> towards
>> tracking down my likely ADHD. I drank anywhere from two to three
> TWO-LITERS
>> of soda a day for over twenty years. Started with the "Real Thing",
>> then somehow became habituated to Diet Pepsi then Diet Dr. Pepper.
>> I was a running joke even to myself, for I kept a two-liter "going"
>> all
> the
>> time no matter where I was, including out to dinner in public, etc.
>> No diabetes, no sugar craving, just drank it all the time and thought
>> it
> was
>
> And you weren't addicted? Ok, maybe not, but most people who
> tell stories like that were addicts.

yes and no. i can without even noticing do without ciggerettes for
hours, and then i get days when i smoke one after the other. same with
coffee. i often forget to take meds, but don't forget when i need to do
something. to me this signifies that the 'addiction' is as someone else
said more a self-medicating, though, the ciggareetes i am definately
addicted to as i do get physical withdrawel symtoms and cravings when i
try to stop smoking properly.
i can't speeel today.

sammi
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:53:16 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote
> >> the accusations of scientolgy are a stale old trick..
> >> pulled out of the hat to abuse people and derail discussions
> >> when the issues cannot be addressed..
> >
> >That's right. Scientology is just a small fringe group compared to
> >the drug industry.
>
> a certain clique in these forums has spent literally years
> trying to build up their image to use as a bogeyman..
>
> raving about clams and space beings..to totally drown out rational
> discussion they would rather was not taking place..
> If you discuss issues and not personalities all of that
> drool is irrelevant.
>
> That pharmaceutical companies doctor research..employ ghost
> writers ..bribe doctors..interfere with editorial policy of socalled
> learned journals..and even try to set the syllabus in higher education
> is highly relevant.
> just my 2c

Only worth that much due to inflation.

The small clique as you put it, has been doing so simply because the lies
the anti-psychiatry crowd reiterates are the same bilge uttered by ther
$cienos, and, a lie repeated often enough...
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:27 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
> >> > >>Dr. Mary Ann Block
> >> > BTW, in some recent readsing, I came accross this little gem....
> >> > http://www.fumento.com/adhdblock.html
> >> > Imagine if anyone who is pro med used an expert that was this
> >tainted.....
> >>
> >> They do. (Do you mean Block or Fumento?)
> >
> >Block, of course, as that was the context which you snipped and did not
> >mention.
> >
> >> I usually enjoy Fumento's column, but he is a little off-base here.
> >
> >Disagree. I would say "Grand slam." (pun intended)
> >
> >He tries
> >> to smear Block with a scientology charge, when the connection is very
> >> tenuous at best.
> >
> >********. I looked at all of it, ans she is a fellow traveller, and in
lock
> >step.
>
> "fellow traveller"???
> thats a useful expresion..
>
> IOW you are totally aware that the lady is NOT in fact a scientologist
> and its just another pathetic attempt to smear using "guilt by
> association"

From all my reading, she is freely travelling with them. For whatever
purpose, she has made a considered to affiliate with this Kriminal Kult.
 
"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > > > > Now you have to recognize that the rapid uptake of injected or
> > snorted
> > > > > > ritalin, met, etc. is what makes it addictive, and that oral use
> at
> > > > > > the prescribed doses does not make it addictive.
> > > > > Just show me the published scientific paper.
> > First, your selective snipping removed that portion of my post wherrein
I
> > pointed out, quite corectly, that you have contiuously alleged that
> Ritalin,
> > when taken as prescribed, is addictive. Thus, you have made a postivie
> > statement, and bear the burden of proof.
>
> You made the statement above, as if it is a recognized fact that I
> should accept. You cannot support it.

Again, YOU have repeatedly made the converse claim, have been asked for
proof every time you have made it, and, have never done so. I will not
accept the shifting of the burden of proof of a negative to me, when you
have so miderably failed to provide one scintilla of proof for the positive
claim you have made, to wit, the methylphenidate is additcive when taken as
prescribed. All you have to do is to provide one well documented case study.

Write Nora VOlko, head of NIDA, and ask her for your proof. Her email
address is on line.

> If you want to change the subject, and attack some statement that I made
> in another context, then you should at least quote it.

You are, as usual, being disingenuous.
 
Jon Quixote wrote:


> No, I don't believe I was. There were many times where I didn't have
> access to soda for whatever reason, and for significant periods of
> time (as in months where I was hitchiking cross-country), yet I never
> craved/missed it. Actually, I'll qualify that a bit - during those
> times, I'd occasionally miss the *flavor* of the soda, as compared to
> having to drink water, but those were literally passing thoughts.

i don't drink soda, which i think is cola ?

>
> You probably do, but please credit me with the intelligence to realize

but jake, it seems to me, thinks he knows better about you (and others)
than you do, and anyway, if he didn't he wouldn't have an argument so
you must understand it is quite necessary for jake to think he knows
better than you (and others) about you (and the others) because if he
didn't he wouldn't have anything to talk about. not that he has
anything worthwhile to talk about, but that's not the point is it ?
the point is, i think, that jake really doesn't have a clue what it's
like to have adhd, if he did, he'd soon shut-up and start to think and
rethink a lot of his attitudes and opinions.

sammi
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > >How do you evaluate pain
> > >with no obvious cause?
> >
> > unlike some in this forum who feel quite free to diagnose unmet
> > strangers with ADHD and prescribe drugs for them I would not have the
> > hubris to even attempt to..
>
> No - You have the hubris to claim that ADHD is not a real entity. You say
> that pain is a real entity worthy of treatment but when asked how the
> diagnosis/reality of the two differ you just say to ask a pain specialist.
> If that is your answer for pain then why is not your solution for ADHD to
> just refer the kid to a qualified specialist?
>
>
> >
> > >Specifically, how do you establish that it is real?
> >
> > I do not..that is a matter for a neurologist..
>
> Then how do you establish that ADHD is not real without also having to
> discount pain?
>
>
> > >How does this differ from the diagnosis of ADHD (i.e why is one valid
but
> > >the other isn't?)?
> >
> > one is a medical problem..the other is not a medical problem but the
> > medicalization of social issues..
>
> How can you accept pain with no obvious cause (like RSD) as a medical
> problem but not ADHD? What criterion are you using other than just
starting
> with your own presumptions?

Chris, you should point out what RSD is, how it is diagnosed (especially in
the early stages) and how debilitating it is.
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:18:26 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:53:16 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote
>> >> the accusations of scientolgy are a stale old trick..
>> >> pulled out of the hat to abuse people and derail discussions
>> >> when the issues cannot be addressed..
>> >
>> >That's right. Scientology is just a small fringe group compared to
>> >the drug industry.
>>
>> a certain clique in these forums has spent literally years
>> trying to build up their image to use as a bogeyman..
>>
>> raving about clams and space beings..to totally drown out rational
>> discussion they would rather was not taking place..
>> If you discuss issues and not personalities all of that
>> drool is irrelevant.
>>
>> That pharmaceutical companies doctor research..employ ghost
>> writers ..bribe doctors..interfere with editorial policy of socalled
>> learned journals..and even try to set the syllabus in higher education
>> is highly relevant.
>> just my 2c
>
>Only worth that much due to inflation.
>
>The small clique as you put it, has been doing so simply because the lies
>the anti-psychiatry crowd reiterates are the same bilge uttered by ther
>$cienos, and, a lie repeated often enough...

what a strange symbolic universe you inhabit..
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:21:56 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:27 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
>> >> > >>Dr. Mary Ann Block
>> >> > BTW, in some recent readsing, I came accross this little gem....
>> >> > http://www.fumento.com/adhdblock.html
>> >> > Imagine if anyone who is pro med used an expert that was this
>> >tainted.....
>> >>
>> >> They do. (Do you mean Block or Fumento?)
>> >
>> >Block, of course, as that was the context which you snipped and did not
>> >mention.
>> >
>> >> I usually enjoy Fumento's column, but he is a little off-base here.
>> >
>> >Disagree. I would say "Grand slam." (pun intended)
>> >
>> >He tries
>> >> to smear Block with a scientology charge, when the connection is very
>> >> tenuous at best.
>> >
>> >********. I looked at all of it, ans she is a fellow traveller, and in
>lock
>> >step.
>>
>> "fellow traveller"???
>> thats a useful expresion..
>>
>> IOW you are totally aware that the lady is NOT in fact a scientologist
>> and its just another pathetic attempt to smear using "guilt by
>> association"
>
>From all my reading, she is freely travelling with them. For whatever
>purpose, she has made a considered to affiliate with this Kriminal Kult.

now here come the capital letters and conspiracy theories..

I dont know about my double standards but your obsessions are sure
showing..
As I said ..anything to avoid facing the fact that ADHD is nothing
remotely like diabetes..
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
> >From: "CBI" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/20/2003 1:12 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
> >> > > > I am happy to recognize the research. Yes, the physiological
> >response
> >> > > > when ritalin or cocaine is snorted or injected is much faster. It
> >can
> >> > > Now youhave to recognize that the rapid uptake of injected or
snorted
> >> > > ritalin, met, etc. is what makes it addictive, and that oral use at
> >the
> >> > > prescribed doses does not make it addictive.
> >> >
> >> > Just show me the published scientific paper.
> >> >
> >> > Rush Limbaugh claims that he got addicted to prescribed pills. Are
> >> > you saying that is impossible?
> >>
> >> Well. Rush Limboob, the hypocrite, has his own thery. Did he mention
that
> >he
> >> was abusing them prior to becoming addicted? I define abusing as not
> >taking
> >> them as prescribed.
> >
> >Exactly - he didn't take them as prescribed.
>
> Ritalin is NOT being taken a prescribed.

True. By those who become addicted, it is not being taken as prescribed. By
those who take it as prescribed, there is no evidence that it is addictive.

Post one well documented case study of someone becoming addcited when it was
taken as prescribed.

> Banks would not be robbed if nobody robbed them.

Did you have a point?

> >It is especially funny when you consider that he has been shown that the
use
> >of Ritalin reduces the incidence of drug abuse man times.
>
> It has also been shown that kids will go to a stronger drug.

Only the abusers.

snip
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:21:56 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:27 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
> >> >> > >>Dr. Mary Ann Block
> >> >> > BTW, in some recent readsing, I came accross this little gem....
> >> >> > http://www.fumento.com/adhdblock.html
> >> >> > Imagine if anyone who is pro med used an expert that was this
> >> >tainted.....
> >> >>
> >> >> They do. (Do you mean Block or Fumento?)
> >> >
> >> >Block, of course, as that was the context which you snipped and did
not
> >> >mention.
> >> >
> >> >> I usually enjoy Fumento's column, but he is a little off-base here.
> >> >
> >> >Disagree. I would say "Grand slam." (pun intended)
> >> >
> >> >He tries
> >> >> to smear Block with a scientology charge, when the connection is
very
> >> >> tenuous at best.
> >> >
> >> >********. I looked at all of it, ans she is a fellow traveller, and in
> >lock
> >> >step.
> >>
> >> "fellow traveller"???
> >> thats a useful expresion..
> >>
> >> IOW you are totally aware that the lady is NOT in fact a scientologist
> >> and its just another pathetic attempt to smear using "guilt by
> >> association"
> >
> >From all my reading, she is freely travelling with them. For whatever
> >purpose, she has made a considered to affiliate with this Kriminal Kult.
>
> now here come the capital letters and conspiracy theories..
>
> I dont know about my double standards but your obsessions are sure
> showing..
> As I said ..anything to avoid facing the fact that ADHD is nothing
> remotely like diabetes..

However, it is like chronic pain, RSD, CFS, MCS, etc.

And, NONE of those have clearly objective tests.
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:24:00 GMT, "Marciosos8 Probertiosos8"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:21:56 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:27 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote
>> >> >> > >>Dr. Mary Ann Block
>> >> >> > BTW, in some recent readsing, I came accross this little gem....
>> >> >> > http://www.fumento.com/adhdblock.html
>> >> >> > Imagine if anyone who is pro med used an expert that was this
>> >> >tainted.....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They do. (Do you mean Block or Fumento?)
>> >> >
>> >> >Block, of course, as that was the context which you snipped and did
>not
>> >> >mention.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I usually enjoy Fumento's column, but he is a little off-base here.
>> >> >
>> >> >Disagree. I would say "Grand slam." (pun intended)
>> >> >
>> >> >He tries
>> >> >> to smear Block with a scientology charge, when the connection is
>very
>> >> >> tenuous at best.
>> >> >
>> >> >********. I looked at all of it, ans she is a fellow traveller, and in
>> >lock
>> >> >step.
>> >>
>> >> "fellow traveller"???
>> >> thats a useful expresion..
>> >>
>> >> IOW you are totally aware that the lady is NOT in fact a scientologist
>> >> and its just another pathetic attempt to smear using "guilt by
>> >> association"
>> >
>> >From all my reading, she is freely travelling with them. For whatever
>> >purpose, she has made a considered to affiliate with this Kriminal Kult.
>>
>> now here come the capital letters and conspiracy theories..
>>
>> I dont know about my double standards but your obsessions are sure
>> showing..
>> As I said ..anything to avoid facing the fact that ADHD is nothing
>> remotely like diabetes..
>
>However, it is like chronic pain,

Have you ever had chronic pain?
you might change your mind rapidly.... there
is no question of "forgetting" to take painkillers..


>RSD, CFS, MCS, etc.
>
>And, NONE of those have clearly objective tests.

sure...
I would say its status is exactly that of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:13:22 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> >Specifically, how do you establish that it is real?
> > >>
> > >> I do not..that is a matter for a neurologist..
> > >
> > >Then how do you establish that ADHD is not real without also having to
> > >discount pain?
> >
> > the onus is on the person wishing to put an infant on a lifetime of
> > amphetamines to establish the reality of their construct..
> >
> > the existence of referred pain in no way justifies this..
>
> You continue to dodge my question about the difference. You accept
treatment
> for one subjective syndrome with no objective test but reject another
> becasue it lacks an objective test. Please tell us how you logically
defend
> this apparent contradiction.



Come to think of it...are not vision problems such as near- and
far-sightedness also diagnosed the same way? "OK, tell me which one works
for you better...which lens helps you see better"

Buny
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:16:48 GMT, [email protected] (David
> Wright) wrote:
> >What arguments.
>
> Ms Blocks argument that ADHD is not remotely like diabetes
> and it it disingeneous to suggest it is..
>
> not to mention an insult to those suffering from this ghastly
> disabling disease.


Which disabling disease...diabetes, or ADHD? I can tell you that my
father-in-law's and my grandmother's diabetes impacts their quality of life
much less than my sons' ADHD does....and both are being treated...which
lessens the impact for both, thank goodness.

Buny
 
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:27 GMT, "Marciosos7 Probertiosos8"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "fellow traveller"???
> > thats a useful expresion..
> >
> > IOW you are totally aware that the lady is NOT in fact a scientologist
> > and its just another pathetic attempt to smear using "guilt by
> > association"
>
> From all my reading, she is freely travelling with them. For whatever
> purpose, she has made a considered to affiliate with this Kriminal Kult.


Not to mention that exact same "argument" is used to deny the accuracy of
medical tests that are run by labs that are "guilty by association" with
pharmaceutical companies....

Some people seem to want one set of rules for them, and another for
others...

Buny
 
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