Ritalin and Suicide

(Jan) said:

http://www.cchr.org/art/eng/page48.htm

http://www.americanpolicy.org/educ/ritalinroot.htm

http://www231.pair.com/grpulse/bt/drilri.html

http://ablechild.org/alert.htm

http://www.breggin.com/

http://www.nfgcc.org/banritalin.htm

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1009236/posts

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/PSYCHIATRY.htm

http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/popup/index.html

http://www.depression-stress-relief.com/stressrelief/ritalin/ritalin-depre
ssion.html

Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead
to the death of children CAN be called child-abuse. Well, some people
do not agree with this, and they say, that it must be called murder...

Jan Drew is a shame for the human race.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

--
World Conference
"Health Care Systems: Public and Private Management"

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Quoted message said:

http://www.cchr.org/art/eng/page48.htm

That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.

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http://www.americanpolicy.org/educ/ritalinroot.htm

http://www231.pair.com/grpulse/bt/drilri.html

http://ablechild.org/alert.htm

http://www.breggin.com/

Dr.Breggin..all the credibility of Hulda Clark...

Quoted message said:

http://www.nfgcc.org/banritalin.htm

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1009236/posts

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/PSYCHIATRY.htm

http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/popup/index.html

Sales hype and ritalin is not mentioned.

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http://www.depression-stress-relief.com/stressrelief/ritalin/ritalin-depre
ssion.html

Woefully uninformed.

And....

Not one of these sites states that "Taking ritalin will cause suicide".
Period.

You did not read them.

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From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead
to the death of children

Ding Ding Ding.

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Ritalin and Suicide

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http://www.cchr.org/art/eng/page48.htm

http://www.americanpolicy.org/educ/ritalinroot.htm

http://www231.pair.com/grpulse/bt/drilri.html

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http://ablechild.org/alert.htm

http://www.breggin.com/

http://www.nfgcc.org/banritalin.htm

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1009236/posts

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http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/PSYCHIATRY.htm

http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/popup/index.html

http://www.depression-stress-relief.com/stressrelief/ritalin/ritalin-depre
ssion.html

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]

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Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead
to the death of children

Ding Ding Ding.

<snip anti ritalin propaganda>

Millions of children die EACH YEAR from vaccine preventable illnesses.
Jan Drew posts ONLY antivac web sites whenever she posts links
(actually lies and misinformation) about vaccination. And she claims
that she cares about ALL lives. More lies from the Queen of Deceit.
And not a peep about the MILLIONS of children who die needlessly each
year because they are not vaccinated. Sad that.

Jan Drew has failed to produce any objective evidence that Ritalin
causes suicide.

Aloha,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Ritalin and Suicide
From: "Mark ProbertDecember 26, 2002" [email hidden]
Date: 12/26/2003 3:48 PM Central Standard Time
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http://www.cchr.org/art/eng/page48.htm

That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.

Mark tells us what we should believe. A bit of a control problem.

Kurt Cobain

1967-1994

Ritalin Harms Teen Spirit

Fans across the world were stunned by the news of Kurt Cobain’s sudden and
shocking suicide in 1994. Widely hailed as the “John Lennon of his
generation,” Cobain’s name was also synonymous with disillusionment and
unhappiness – he had spoken, written lyrics and sung about suicide. Yet one
question could almost be heard to echo around the world – Why?

His fans struggled with the huge
personal loss of their “poet of pain,” an artist who could read their
minds, knew their problems and spoke their language – the true voice of a
generation. This artistic genius who fueled millions of record sales forced
music industry executives to reassess their attitudes to drugs. Cobain’s
death not only hurt financially, but his well-publicized drug abuse was
symptomatic of an industry almost weaned on drugs. Because of this very public
casualty of a “veritable junkie hall of fame,” the media ran features about
the phenomena and mystery of suicide not only in the music industry, but in
life.

Following the initial shock came the inevitable soul-searching for those
closest to him – what more should or could we have done? As one senior music
industry executive said, “The only thing that wasn’t done for Kurt was
putting him in a straitjacket and locking him in a room. But I’m sure that
there are a lot of people who are thinking now, ‘Why didn’t I do
that?’”

But, while understandably born of frustration and perhaps even a sense of
guilt, such thinking was the last thing Cobain needed. He was already a
longstanding victim of psychiatric-styled “help,” where solutions are as
desperate as the situations they continually fail to resolve. The truth is that
from his preschool years, Cobain had been placed in his own chemical and
physical straitjacket by those who diagnosed him as “hyperactive.”

An energetic, talented and creative child who liked to draw and sing
Beatles tunes, Cobain was one of the growing wave of children who, since the
‘60s and ‘70s, have been exposed to addictive, mind-altering drugs under
the guise of “medication.”

And if you are not content to romanticize Cobain’s suicide as something
noble and worthy of martyrdom, if you are not happy with the discredited
Freudian “disturbed childhood” routine, if you are really looking for the
true reasons for his nightmarish suicide, then this simple statement probably
holds most of the answer – Cobain was a Ritalin child.

But what does that mean? What is hyperactivity? And exactly what is
Ritalin

Leading pediatric neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman says hyperactivity is “an
illusion, a contrivance [and] a deception.” Without a shred of scientific
evidence, psychiatrists claim the symptoms of this “disease” include:

often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat;

often leaves seat in a classroom or in other situations in which remaining
seated is expected;

often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly;

is often “on the go” and often talks excessively.
And what of Ritalin? Ritalin is actually an amphetamine-like drug, but in
children it acts as a tranquilizer. It’s a Schedule II drug in the same
category as opium, cocaine and morphine. Highly addictive, withdrawal from it
can cause suicide. Side effects can include: loss of appetite, weight loss,
inability to stay asleep, heart palpitations, drowsiness, joint pain, nausea,
chest pain and abdominal pain. It can also cause hallucinations and increase
bizarre and abnormal behavior.

But doesn’t that sound like some psychiatrist didn’t like Cobain being
a typical child – full of energy and, in Cobain’s case, probably full of
independent, even precocious action – and thus he put him on a highly
addictive and physically dangerous drug to chemically suppress the child in
him; to make him sit still?

And if all that is true, couldn’t it underpin everything from his later
drug addiction, to his severe physical problems, to his irrational behavior and
finally to his suicide?

There is more. In Cobain’s case, Ritalin kept him awake. Consequently
other drugs were prescribed to counteract it – sedatives. And despite
psychiatry’s claims that Ritalin can help a child study, Cobain was and
remained a poor student who dropped out of high school.

After years of prescription drugs, the progression to street drugs was
almost a given – a too often repeated consequence of Ritalin. For example,
actress Jill Ireland’s adopted son was given Ritalin for childhood
“hyperactivity.” She attributed this to his later use of cocaine and
heroin. As did another mother, Faye O’Donnell, whose son was prescribed
Ritalin and later continued it illegally, then took up “crank” and speed
because it made him feel “normal” again. Cobain’s battle with heroin
addiction would become widely known over the years, as he repeatedly tried and
failed to resolve his dependency.

Compounding the Ritalin were untreated chronic medical conditions which
effected him his entire life – including a curvature of his spine, which was
aggravated by the weight of his guitar around his neck and a “burning,
nauseous” stomach that often drove him to feelings of suicide. In fact,
Cobain praised heroin as the only drug that “quenched the fire in his gut.”
What nobody mentioned was that abdominal pain is a known side-effect of Ritalin
intake by children.

His inherent artistic genius still intact, within a short time of leaving
school, he recorded an album and signed with Geffen Records. However,
increasingly crowded by the mental and physical legacy of prescribed,
mind-altering drugs and ultimately street drugs, Cobain’s drug problem became
critical. In desperation, wife Courtney Love and several friends enrolled
Cobain in a psychiatric drug recovery center. Thirty-six hours after admission,
he bolted from the program and in a small room above his garage in a quiet
Seattle neighborhood, ended his life with a single shotgun blast to his head.
Heroin and the addictive and potentially harmful psychiatric drug Valium were
reportedly found in his bloodstream.

In his suicide note, he alluded to two things that had brought him to
suicide – the stomach pain that had haunted him for years, and his agony over
his music, about which he wrote, “I don’t have the passion anymore.”
Chemically nullified, the music was gone and with this, Kurt Cobain was simply
deprived of his prime reason for being.

http://www.americanpolicy.org/educ/ritalinroot.htm

Is Ritalin the Root of Student Violence?
As communities reel from one massive act of student violence after another, the
nation looks for answers. How many are looking at the schools themselves as the
conduit through which millions of students are drugged with mind-altering
drugs?

November 20, 1986: Rod Mathews, 14, beat a classmate to death with a bat in the
woods near his house in Canton, Massachusetts. Though Rod was extremely bright,
he was put on Ritalin when he was in third grade.

February 19, 1996: Timmy Becton, 10, grabbed his three-year-old niece as a
shield and aimed a shotgun at a sheriff’s deputy who accompanied a truant
officer to his Florida home. Becton had been taken to a psychiatrist in January
to cure his dislike of school and was put on a psychiatric drug, Prozac. His
parents said that when the dosage of the drug was increased, Timmy had violent
mood swings and that he would "get really angry…"

May 21, 1998: Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old at Thurston High School in Springfield,
Ore., murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on
students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been
prescribed both Ritalin and Prozac.

April 16, 1999: Shawn Cooper, a 15-year-old-sophomore at Notus Junior-Senior
High School in Notus, Idaho, was taking Ritalin when he fired two shotgun
rounds, narrowly missing students and school staff.

April 20, 1999: Eric Harris, an 18-year-old senior at Columbine High School,
killed a dozen students and a teacher before taking his own life. Prior to the
shooting rampage, he had been under the influence of Luvox.

May 20, 1999: T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old at Heritage High School in Conyers,
Ga., was being treated with Ritalin for depression when he opened fire on and
wounded six classmates.

AS THE USE OF PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS RISE – SO TOO DO CHILD SUICIDES

A November 1997 medical report found: "The association between benzodiazephine
use and attempted suicide is especially high for…the young, and for males…"
In the April 1996 Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, a study
found that "the older tricyclic antidepressants are a significant cause of
suicide" and accounted for the majority of antidepressant deaths studied
between 1986 and 1990.

A December 1996 French study entitled, "Suicide and psychotropic drugs,"
established that "suicide attempts are more frequent among patients taking
antidepressants…"

In Denmark, with a huge usage of psychotropic drugs, the suicide rate is twice
the rate of that in the United States…

In the U.S., teen suicides have tripled since 1960; today, suicide is the
second leading cause of death…

In Israel, between 1981 and 1994, the estimated suicide rate for 15- to
19-year-old Jewish boys increased by about 183 percent. (Tellingly, the suicide
rate dropped 10 percent during a 1997 period when Israel’s psychologists went
on strike.)

Australia’s suicide rate increased between 1960 and 1967 when legislation was
passed to enable a person to obtain multiple prescriptions for sedatives. When
the law was modified in 1967 to restrict the practice, there was a decrease in
per capita sedative usage and a decline in suicide rates.

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(Methylphenidate, West Coast) A stimulant prescribed to treat children with
hyperactivity and attention-deficit disorder (ADHD) and occasionally prescribed
for treating narcolepsy. It's also used in combination with heroin, cocaine or
both to produce a potent euphoria. Teens most often crush the tablet and inhale
the drug or take the tablet orally. Some users dissolve the tablets in water
and inject the mixture into their blood stream, which can easily cause blockage
of small blood vessels, which can quickly lead to a stroke or death.

Possible Positives Possible Negatives:
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If Abused...

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Breaking News

Drugs for depressed children banned

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Wednesday December 10, 2003
The Guardian

Modern antidepressant drugs which have made billions for the pharmaceutical
industry will be banned from use in children today because of evidence,
suppressed for years, that they can cause young patients to become suicidal.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) told doctors
last night not to prescribe all but one of the antidepressants known as
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

The exception is Prozac, which is licensed for use in depressed children in the
US. But the MHRA will warn that, at best, it helps only one child in 10.

The decision has big implications for drug regulation.

The agency - which is the government's watchdog body on drug safety - has
reached this point only after intense pressure from patients and campaigners.

They were concerned about patients - at first mainly adults - who appeared to
have become suicidal on the drugs, and others who had got hooked and suffered
distressing symptoms when they tried to stop taking them.

Public unease about these potential side-effects prompted the agency to
investigate last year. It has looked at the details of clinical trials of
depressed children that were in the hands of the drug companies in the late
1990s. These studiesrevealed the problem of suicidal behaviour in children, but
the companies did not draw it to the attention of the regulators in the US or
the UK.

It has become clear from the investigation that the regulators generally see
only a summary of the data resulting from trials. It is prepared for them by
the drug company only when it is seeking a licence.

The agency became aware of a problem with Seroxat in children this year only
when the manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, submitted data from trials, which
finished in 1996.

Pressure for a change in the regulatory system will inevitably grow.

Two of the SSRI class of drugs have already been banned - or, technically,
contra-indicated in children - by the agency.

The first, in June, was Seroxat, which goes by the generic name paroxetine; the
second, in September, was Efexor (venlafaxine); joining them now will be
Lustral (sertraline), Cipramil (citalopram), Cipralex (escitalopram) and
Faverin (fluvoxamine).

Trials on children have not been carried out in all the drugs, but the
completed studies show a worrying increase in suicidal behaviour among those on
SSRIs compared with those given a placebo (sugar pill).

None of the drugs has a licence for use in children with depression in the UK,
but GPs have prescribed more and more SSRIs for children.

It is estimated that as many as 50,000 children on antidepressants in Britain.

The agency will warn that patients should not stop their medication suddenly to
avoid withdrawal symptoms.

The ban will cause problems for doctors because insufficient counsellors and
psychotherapists are available to offer the alternative treatment of therapy,
and the bill to the NHS for such treatment would be much higher than the cost
of the drug prescriptions.

Drug companies began clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the SSRIs in
children only after prompting by the US food and drug administration in the
early 90s.

David Healy, the director of the North Wales department of psychological
medicine, said: "It was standard practice for the FDA approving drugs like
Seroxat (Paxil in the US) for adults in 1991 to write to the company and say
this drug will also be used in children - it would be helpful if you could run
trials in children so we can see what the safety profile is."

But trials that did not produce favourable results were neither published nor
sent to the FDA or the MHRA.

The first major Seroxat trial in children was finished by 1996, but the results
were not published until 2001. Data was also gathered in 1996 after a trial of
Lustral, manufactured by Pfizer, showing that 9% of depressed children on the
drug became suicidal.

Dr Healy, whose own researches led to the establishment of the SSRI review,
said yesterday: "They should have known by 1996 that there was a problem. GSK
and Pfizer were asked to do this by the regulators so that we knew what the
safety issues were."

The drug companies dispute that a problem exists. Only a tiny minority of
children taking the drug become suicidal and their depression could be the real
cause, they claim. GSK says several trials, not just one, were needed to
establish whether its drug caused problems.

The SSRI review group, which has advised the Committee on the Safety of
Medicines of the agency to ban the drugs from use in children, will now look at
the safety and efficacy of the drugs in adults.

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FDA Warns of Possible Drug-Suicide Link

WASHINGTON — Some anti-depressant drugs undergoing trials in children may be
associated with suicides, the Food and Drug Administration said Monday.

The agency said reports in the press and medical journals describe suicide
attempts and suicides in children receiving antidepressants. Many such reports
also have been submitted to the FDA.

While the data do not clearly establish an association between the use of the
drugs on trials and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric
patients, FDA said it also is impossible to rule out an association.

Determining if the drug was at fault is a problem, as suicide attempts also
occur in patients with depression who are untreated.

Nevertheless, the FDA said it is issuing a public health advisory to alert
physicians to reports of suicidal thinking and suicide attempts in clinical
studies of various anti-depressant drugs in pediatric patients.

Currently only Prozac is approved for use in major depressive disorder among
children, but physicians sometimes use other drugs approved for adults.

The FDA said it has completed a preliminary review of reports for eight
anti-depressant drugs — citalopram, fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine,
nefazodone, paroxetine, sertraline, and venlafaxine — in tests in children.

In addition to the advisory, the agency scheduled a meeting next February of
its Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee
of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory Committee to discuss the question.

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DCF Bans Second Antidepressant

September 18, 2003
By DAVE ALTIMARI, JACK DOLAN, And ANDREW JULIEN Courant Staff Writers

State officials will stop giving the antidepressant Effexor to children under
state care, citing concerns about a possible link to an increased suicide risk.

Effexor is the second antidepressant temporarily banned by the Department of
Children and Families in recent months. In July, Paxil was banned after the
U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned of a similar link.

Dr. Patricia Leebens, chairwoman of DCF's psychotropic medication advisory
committee, acknowledged that the bans limit the options for doctors treating
children with depression or anxiety disorders. But Leebens said she is worried
that too little is known about the drugs' ultimate effects on young patients.

"There is a concern that we will end up pulling all the medications that are
helpful to children off the market. But until we have more information, we
don't feel there is a choice," Leebens said. The bans are for six months, at
which time the decision will be reviewed.

Clinical trials done by the drugs' manufacturers at the request of the FDA
suggest that neither Paxil nor Effexor is particularly effective in treating
depression among teens and that both might lead to increased hostility and
thoughts of suicide.

But because the information from the trials is inconclusive, doctors treating
DCF patients can still get approval to use the drugs on a case by case basis.

Other antidepressants such as Prozac, Wellbutrin and Zoloft are still available
to doctors treating kids in DCF's care. DCF officials will not say how many of
their clients are being treated with Effexor or Paxil, but Leebens said both
are favored by child psychiatrists because they have fewer side effects, such
as nausea and dizziness, than other similar drugs.

Dr. Robert Sahl, medical director of child and adolescent psychiatry at
Hartford's Institute of Living, said recent warnings about Paxil and Effexor
have not created significant barriers to effectively treating his patients.

The Paxil restrictions announced by the FDA in June, for example, only apply to
children with major depressive disorder, one of several conditions the drug can
be used to treat.

"I don't think it's necessarily that limiting yet," Sahl said.

For years doctors have been free to treat patients of any age with Effexor and
other antidepressants, once the drugs were approved for general use. Federal
regulators did not ask pharmaceutical companies to test their pills on children
until the late 1990s, when it became apparent that they were regularly being
prescribed to patients under the age of 18.

The FDA's warning about Paxil was based on those trials. Two months later,
Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, based in New Jersey, took the step of informing doctors
that its own studies showed similar risks with Effexor.

In a two-page letter dated Aug. 22, Dr. Victoria Kusiak, Wyeth's vice president
for global medical affairs, warned that in recent pediatric trials Effexor was
not effective in treating depression or anxiety and that there were increased
reports of hostility and especially in Major Depressive Disorder,
suicide-related adverse events such as suicidal ideation and self-harm."

Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus said that the August letter was meant to reinforce
the recommendation on Effexor's label, which states that the drug's "safety and
effectiveness" have not been established in pediatric patients. Effexor was
never specifically approved, or marketed, for use in patients under the age of
18, Petkus said.

DCF was the first public child-protection agency to ban Paxil after the FDA
recommended that it not be given to anyone under 18. Executives from
GlaxoSmithKline, the makers of Paxil, came to Connecticut last month to meet
with the DCF committee but did not convince the state officials to put Paxil
back on the list of approved drugs.

"The FDA is calling for all the data and this is only the beginning of this
issue. The committee wants to be cautious and wait for as much information as
possible," Lebens said.

Breaking News

Drugs for depressed children banned

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Wednesday December 10, 2003
The Guardian

Modern antidepressant drugs which have made billions for the pharmaceutical
industry will be banned from use in children today because of evidence,
suppressed for years, that they can cause young patients to become suicidal.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) told doctors
last night not to prescribe all but one of the antidepressants known as
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

The exception is Prozac, which is licensed for use in depressed children in the
US. But the MHRA will warn that, at best, it helps only one child in 10.

The decision has big implications for drug regulation.

The agency - which is the government's watchdog body on drug safety - has
reached this point only after intense pressure from patients and campaigners.

They were concerned about patients - at first mainly adults - who appeared to
have become suicidal on the drugs, and others who had got hooked and suffered
distressing symptoms when they tried to stop taking them.

Public unease about these potential side-effects prompted the agency to
investigate last year. It has looked at the details of clinical trials of
depressed children that were in the hands of the drug companies in the late
1990s. These studiesrevealed the problem of suicidal behaviour in children, but
the companies did not draw it to the attention of the regulators in the US or
the UK.

It has become clear from the investigation that the regulators generally see
only a summary of the data resulting from trials. It is prepared for them by
the drug company only when it is seeking a licence.

The agency became aware of a problem with Seroxat in children this year only
when the manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, submitted data from trials, which
finished in 1996.

Pressure for a change in the regulatory system will inevitably grow.

Two of the SSRI class of drugs have already been banned - or, technically,
contra-indicated in children - by the agency.

The first, in June, was Seroxat, which goes by the generic name paroxetine; the
second, in September, was Efexor (venlafaxine); joining them now will be
Lustral (sertraline), Cipramil (citalopram), Cipralex (escitalopram) and
Faverin (fluvoxamine).

Trials on children have not been carried out in all the drugs, but the
completed studies show a worrying increase in suicidal behaviour among those on
SSRIs compared with those given a placebo (sugar pill).

None of the drugs has a licence for use in children with depression in the UK,
but GPs have prescribed more and more SSRIs for children.

It is estimated that as many as 50,000 children on antidepressants in Britain.

The agency will warn that patients should not stop their medication suddenly to
avoid withdrawal symptoms.

The ban will cause problems for doctors because insufficient counsellors and
psychotherapists are available to offer the alternative treatment of therapy,
and the bill to the NHS for such treatment would be much higher than the cost
of the drug prescriptions.

Drug companies began clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the SSRIs in
children only after prompting by the US food and drug administration in the
early 90s.

David Healy, the director of the North Wales department of psychological
medicine, said: "It was standard practice for the FDA approving drugs like
Seroxat (Paxil in the US) for adults in 1991 to write to the company and say
this drug will also be used in children - it would be helpful if you could run
trials in children so we can see what the safety profile is."

But trials that did not produce favourable results were neither published nor
sent to the FDA or the MHRA.

The first major Seroxat trial in children was finished by 1996, but the results
were not published until 2001. Data was also gathered in 1996 after a trial of
Lustral, manufactured by Pfizer, showing that 9% of depressed children on the
drug became suicidal.

Dr Healy, whose own researches led to the establishment of the SSRI review,
said yesterday: "They should have known by 1996 that there was a problem. GSK
and Pfizer were asked to do this by the regulators so that we knew what the
safety issues were."

The drug companies dispute that a problem exists. Only a tiny minority of
children taking the drug become suicidal and their depression could be the real
cause, they claim. GSK says several trials, not just one, were needed to
establish whether its drug caused problems.

The SSRI review group, which has advised the Committee on the Safety of
Medicines of the agency to ban the drugs from use in children, will now look at
the safety and efficacy of the drugs in adults.

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FDA Warns of Possible Drug-Suicide Link

WASHINGTON — Some anti-depressant drugs undergoing trials in children may be
associated with suicides, the Food and Drug Administration said Monday.

The agency said reports in the press and medical journals describe suicide
attempts and suicides in children receiving antidepressants. Many such reports
also have been submitted to the FDA.

While the data do not clearly establish an association between the use of the
drugs on trials and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric
patients, FDA said it also is impossible to rule out an association.

Determining if the drug was at fault is a problem, as suicide attempts also
occur in patients with depression who are untreated.

Nevertheless, the FDA said it is issuing a public health advisory to alert
physicians to reports of suicidal thinking and suicide attempts in clinical
studies of various anti-depressant drugs in pediatric patients.

Currently only Prozac is approved for use in major depressive disorder among
children, but physicians sometimes use other drugs approved for adults.

The FDA said it has completed a preliminary review of reports for eight
anti-depressant drugs — citalopram, fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine,
nefazodone, paroxetine, sertraline, and venlafaxine — in tests in children.

In addition to the advisory, the agency scheduled a meeting next February of
its Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee
of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory Committee to discuss the question.

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DCF Bans Second Antidepressant

September 18, 2003
By DAVE ALTIMARI, JACK DOLAN, And ANDREW JULIEN Courant Staff Writers

State officials will stop giving the antidepressant Effexor to children under
state care, citing concerns about a possible link to an increased suicide risk.

Effexor is the second antidepressant temporarily banned by the Department of
Children and Families in recent months. In July, Paxil was banned after the
U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned of a similar link.

Dr. Patricia Leebens, chairwoman of DCF's psychotropic medication advisory
committee, acknowledged that the bans limit the options for doctors treating
children with depression or anxiety disorders. But Leebens said she is worried
that too little is known about the drugs' ultimate effects on young patients.

"There is a concern that we will end up pulling all the medications that are
helpful to children off the market. But until we have more information, we
don't feel there is a choice," Leebens said. The bans are for six months, at
which time the decision will be reviewed.

Clinical trials done by the drugs' manufacturers at the request of the FDA
suggest that neither Paxil nor Effexor is particularly effective in treating
depression among teens and that both might lead to increased hostility and
thoughts of suicide.

But because the information from the trials is inconclusive, doctors treating
DCF patients can still get approval to use the drugs on a case by case basis.

Other antidepressants such as Prozac, Wellbutrin and Zoloft are still available
to doctors treating kids in DCF's care. DCF officials will not say how many of
their clients are being treated with Effexor or Paxil, but Leebens said both
are favored by child psychiatrists because they have fewer side effects, such
as nausea and dizziness, than other similar drugs.

Dr. Robert Sahl, medical director of child and adolescent psychiatry at
Hartford's Institute of Living, said recent warnings about Paxil and Effexor
have not created significant barriers to effectively treating his patients.

The Paxil restrictions announced by the FDA in June, for example, only apply to
children with major depressive disorder, one of several conditions the drug can
be used to treat.

"I don't think it's necessarily that limiting yet," Sahl said.

For years doctors have been free to treat patients of any age with Effexor and
other antidepressants, once the drugs were approved for general use. Federal
regulators did not ask pharmaceutical companies to test their pills on children
until the late 1990s, when it became apparent that they were regularly being
prescribed to patients under the age of 18.

The FDA's warning about Paxil was based on those trials. Two months later,
Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, based in New Jersey, took the step of informing doctors
that its own studies showed similar risks with Effexor.

In a two-page letter dated Aug. 22, Dr. Victoria Kusiak, Wyeth's vice president
for global medical affairs, warned that in recent pediatric trials Effexor was
not effective in treating depression or anxiety and that there were increased
reports of hostility and especially in Major Depressive Disorder,
suicide-related adverse events such as suicidal ideation and self-harm."

Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus said that the August letter was meant to reinforce
the recommendation on Effexor's label, which states that the drug's "safety and
effectiveness" have not been established in pediatric patients. Effexor was
never specifically approved, or marketed, for use in patients under the age of
18, Petkus said.

DCF was the first public child-protection agency to ban Paxil after the FDA
recommended that it not be given to anyone under 18. Executives from
GlaxoSmithKline, the makers of Paxil, came to Connecticut last month to meet
with the DCF committee but did not convince the state officials to put Paxil
back on the list of approved drugs.

"The FDA is calling for all the data and this is only the beginning of this
issue. The committee wants to be cautious and wait for as much information as
possible," Leebens said.

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Good thing that Jan never tells us what we should believe:-))

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Banning Ritalin in Colorado

"Mind-altering psychotropic drugs which have the potential to create violent or
suicidal behavior shall not be dispensed to children for any alleged learning,
behavior, or mental disorder which lacks an exact, objective medical diagnostic
test such as that used to detect diabetes."

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Resolution to Ban Ritalin

Text of a Presentation given
by Patti Johnson
Colorado State Board of Education
in October, 1999

Ms. Patti Johnson is a member of the Colorado State Board of Education.

Text of Ms. Johnson's paper:

The Ritalin phenomenon caught my attention in 1994. As I walked with some
children in a parade, one six-year-old boy intrigued me. He was precocious,
energetic and a delightful companion. When I dropped him off at his home, I
mentioned these traits to his mother. She startled me when she replied, “
That’s not what his teacher says. She told me he has ADHD (Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder) and needs to be put on Ritalin.” I urged the mother
to have her son tested before drugging him. He was so bright, and his level of
energy seemed normal for a little boy. What if he just needed a more
challenging curriculum or a different learning environment? Now that I know
much more about Ritalin, I feel even more strongly that all options should be
explored before resorting to Ritalin.

In 1991, the Federal Education Department said schools could get hundreds of
dollars in special education grant money each year for every child diagnosed
with ADHD. Since then ADHD diagnosis shot up an average of 21% a year. Ritalin
production has increased 700% since 1990. These data suggest a link between
money and Ritilan use. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA),
the U.S. buys and uses 90% of the world’s supply of Ritalin. Approximately 4
million U.S. children are on Ritalin. 10 to 12% of U.S. boys are being treated
with Ritalin. No other nation is following our example. In fact, Sweden banned
methylphenidate (Ritalin) in 1968 after reports of widespread abuse.

Ritalin is highly sought after by the drug-abusing population. According to
Drug Abuse Warn Net (DAWN) it represents the greatest increase in drugs
associated with abuse, and the highest number of suicides and emergency room
admissions. Ritalin is classified as a schedule II, or most addictive drug, on
par with cocaine, morphine, PCP and metamphetamines. The DEA has noted serious
complications associated with Ritalin, including suicide, psychotic episodes
and violent behavior. According to Washington Times [Insight magazine], “the
common link in the recent phenomenon of high school shootings may be
psychotropic drugs like Ritalin.” The International Journal of Addictions
lists over 100 adverse reactions to Ritalin-paranoid psychosis, terror and
paranoid delusions among them. Ritalin can have other serious side effects
including disorientation of the central nervous system. It is an amphetamine,
capable of inducing sudden cardiac arrest and death. Twelve year old Stephanie
Hall of Canton, Ohio died the day after her Ritalin dose was increased.

The medical community has expressed alarm over the widespread use of
psychotropic drugs for children. Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., pediatric neurologist,
said of psychiatrists, “They have proven several times over that chronic
Ritalin/amphetamine exposure they advocate for millions of children causes
brain atrophy (shrinkage).” The National Institute of Health (NIH) reported,
“We do not have an independent valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to
indicate that ADHD is due to brain malfunction. Further research to establish
the validity of the disorder continues to be a problem.” The NIH also
reported that Ritalin and other stimulant drugs result in “little improvement
in academic or social skills,” and they recommend research into alternatives
such as change in diet or biofeedback.

If we care about children’s health, we owe it to them to explore healthful
ways to improve their classroom performance and deportment. I would start with
an observation: In the 1950’s we did not have millions of children unable to
concentrate in the classroom. What has changed? First, the classroom climate.
The traditional classroom was expected to be a quiet, well-ordered environment.
Desks were arranged so that all students could make eye contact with the
teacher, see the demonstrations and read instructions. Students were not
permitted to distract or disrupt others. The teacher was presumed to know more
than the children, and so gave direct, whole group instruction, guiding
students step by step in learning new skills, modeling standard English grammar
and syntax in the process. Time was spent learning disciplines of cursive
writing by practicing ovals and “push pulls.” Subjects were taught
separately. Elementary students had a short recess in the morning, a half-hour
recess after lunch and a short recess in the afternoon.

Progressive educators undermined this approach and gave us the open classroom
in the 1960’s. Yet, structure makes so much sense. When adults are faced with
tasks such as balancing the checkbook or figuring our income tax, we tend to
seek out quiet place where we “can hear ourselves think.” Children are more
sensitive to stimuli than adults, more easily distracted. Insisting that they
become “self-directed learners,” fending for themselves in a noisy,
chaotic, confusing, classroom can do them a disservice.

Therapists have had success with children diagnosed as ADHD by providing a
calm, soothing, structured environment. Scientists are finding that the
discipline of cursive writing develops part of the brain associated with
self-control. Recent test scores, common sense, and science seem to lead us
toward the conclusion: Traditional classroom instruction and age appropriate
recess time is very effective. It is hard to tell today’s “process”
classroom from yesterday’s recess. Desks are arranged in groups. Students
cannot see the teacher and distract one another. The failed “Whole
Language” method has replaced phonics. Students are passed on to the next
grade whether or not they have learned to read. Children spend their time
ambling around the room, chatting with classmates, playing computer games, and
even lying on the floor. Discipline is sometimes lax and supervision is casual.
Subjects are combined into long blocks of time. Some schools have abolished
recess altogether.

Many of those children go home to empty houses where they play more video
games, surf the Internet, and snack on chemically-altered, heavily-sugared,
artificially- flavored junk food. Wouldn’t it make sense to provide more
attention, more supervision, more exercise, and more nutritious foods before
prescribing potentially harmful psychotropic drugs to render children
compliant? Could attention deficit disorder really mean that children suffer
from a deficit of attention as well as displaying it?

This brings to mind another change since the 1950’s. According to film critic
Michael Medved, in the 1950’s the TV camera lingered on one scene an average
of 45 seconds, whereas in the 1990’s the average is a maximum of 5 seconds
per scene. Children come to school after having watched thousands of hours of
flashing cartoons and shows that jump from one scene to the next. We could
reasonably conclude that television has contributed to shortening or disrupting
children’s attention span. If their television viewing were limited would
they be more receptive to classroom instruction?

Recently I listened to a frustrated mother complain on a radio talk show that
her 18-month-old had too much energy. She justified why she felt she had to
drug him. He was wearing her out. At 18 months he was climbing straight up the
bookcase.

Could some cases just be a matter of perspective on what is normal behavior?
One frustrated mother’s “hyperactive” child may be another mother’s
proud “future Olympic gymnast.”

It is not my intention to judge parents, counselors, and doctors, or to dismiss
the genuinely hard cases. My only motivation is to provide information that
could help schools and parents make sound decisions about the health and
welfare of their children.

Patti Johnson
Colorado State Board of Education, 2nd Congressional District
Broomfield, Colorado 80020

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Dateline: 10/23/99
Resolution Against Psychotropic Medications

Draft of the Resolution
presented to the
Colorado State Board of Education

State Board of Education Resolution
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In expressing the sense of the Colorado State Board of Education that our
children are too precious to subject them to mind-altering psychotropic drugs
which can produce disabling complications including suicidal ideations and
violent behavior when the disorder/illness itself and the treatment have not
been scientifically validated:
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Whereas, a Consensus Development Panel conducted in November 1998 by the
National Institutes of Health (NIH) to resolve controversies surrounding
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) reported that: "We do not have
an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that
ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. Further research to establish the validity
of the disorder continues to be a problem", and
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Whereas, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) reported in October 1995
that "despite the frequent reference to ADHD as a neurobiological disorder, the
cause of ADHD remains unknown", and
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Whereas, Dr. Rex William Cowdry, then acting director of the National Institute
of Mental Health (NIMH) told Congress in 1995 that the cause of mental illness
was unknown, and
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Whereas, the NIH Consensus Development Panel reported that stimulant drugs such
as methylphenidate (Ritalin) result in "little improvement in academic or
social skills", and
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Whereas, methylphenidate is so prone to abuse that it was classified as a
Schedule II drug in 1971. Other schedule II drugs include morphine, PCP,
methadone, cocaine, methamphetamine, and drugs which can lead to psychological
and physical dependence, and
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Whereas, methylphenidate shares many of the pharmacological effects of
amphetamines, methamphetamines and cocaine, and
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Whereas, the 1995 DEA report noted serious complications associated with
methylphenidate, including psychotic episodes and violent behavior, and
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Whereas, the 1995 DEA report states that "preexposure to stimulants, including
methylphenidate, in childhood may predispose these same individuals to the
reinforcing effects of cocaine", and
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Whereas, the DEA report said children can commit suicide during stimulant
withdrawal, and
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Whereas, methylphenidate's potential to cause violent behavior was demonstrated
on April 16, 1999 when 15-year-old Shawn Cooper who had been taking Ritalin
opened fire at Notus Junior-Senior High School in Idaho, and again on May 20,
1999 when 15-year-old T.J. Solomon who had been taking Ritalin shot and wounded
six classmates at Heritage high School in Conyers, Georgia, and
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Whereas, the package insert for Luvox (a newer anti-depressant of the Selective
Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI)class) lists "manic reaction" and "psychotic
reaction" and "frequent" adverse reactions observed during premarketing
clinical trials of the drug, and
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Whereas, the package insert for Luvox (a newer anti-depressant of the Selective
Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI)class) lists "manic reaction" and "psychotic
reaction" and "frequent" adverse reactions observed during premarketing
clinical trials of the drug, and
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Whereas, a study published in The Journal of The American Academy of Child and
Adolescent Psychiatry in March 1991 found that self-injurious ideation or
behavior started or intensified during treatment with fluoxetine (Prozac) in a
significant number of adolescents studied, and
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Whereas, The New York Post reported on January 31, 1999 that documents they had
obtained through the Freedom of Information Act exposed tests the New York
Psychiatric Institute was conducting with Prozac on six-year-plds. The
documents revealed that "Some patients have been reported to have an increase
in suicidal thoughts and/or violent behavior". The article also stated:
"Another major potential Prozac side effect - wild manic episodes - also was
acknowledged in researcher's internal records., " and
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Whereas, the Clinical Psychiatry News reported in June 1999 that "SSRI-induced
psychosis has accounted for 8% of all general hospital psychiatric admissions
over a recent 14-month period," and
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Whereas, a psychiatrist and expert on psychotropic drugs stated in April 1999
that "mania is a psychosis which can produce bizarre, grandiose, highly
elaborated destructive plans, including mass murder", and
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Whereas, The Rocky Mountain News reported on June 21, 1999 that 18-year-old
Eric Harris began seeing a psychiatrist and taking Luvox in about January 1998
and,
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Whereas, The Washington Post reported that Harris began planning the massacre
one year prior to the April 20, 1999 Columbine shooting - indicating that his
destructive mania emerged shortly after he began taking Luvox, and
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Whereas, an autopsy found a "therapeutic level" of Luvox in Eric Harris's
bloodstream, and
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Whereas, 15-year-old Kip Kinkel had been taking both Prozac and Ritalin before
killing his parents and proceeding on to his Springfield, Oregon high school
where he killed two fellow students and injured 27 more in May 1998, and
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Whereas, Georgetown University Medical Center research professor, Candace B.
Pert, said she is "alarmed at the monster that Johns Hopkins neuroscientist
Solomon Snyder and I created when we discovered the simple binding assay for
drug receptors 25 years ago... The public is being misinformed about the
precision of these selective serotonin-uptake inhibitors... A new paradigm has
evolved, with implication that life-style changes such as diet and exercise can
offer profound, safe and natural mood elevation, and
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Whereas, a Danish medical study reported in 1995 that withdrawal from
psychotropic drugs can cause "fear, terror, panic, fear of insanity, failing
self confidence, restlessness, irritability, aggression, an urge to destroy,
and, in the worst cases, an urge to kill, and
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Whereas, the National Preferred Medicines Center, Inc., comprised of New
Zealand physicians, issued a report on "Acute drug withdrawal" in 1996 stating
that withdrawal from psychoactive drugs can cause rebound effects that
exacerbate previous symptoms and new symptoms unrelated to the condition that
had not been previously experienced by the patient. The anti-depressants can
create "agitation, severe depression, hallucinations, aggressiveness, hypomania
and akathisia," and
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Whereas, people who stop taking psychoactive drugs can, therefore, be suffering
violent withdrawal effects from the drug, and
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Whereas, it is misleading to advise parents their child needs a mind altering
drug to correct a "chemical imbalance," "neurobiological" or "genetic
condition" when science has been unable to establish the existence of such
maladies, and
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Whereas, medical research shows that psychiatric symptoms are often a sign of
an undetected medical condition, nutritional deficiency, or allergy, and
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Whereas, the NIH reports that public school expenditures on behalf of students
with ADHD may have exceeded $3 billion in 1995, and
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Whereas, this figure does not include expenditures for other alleged
psychiatric "learning disorders," and
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Whereas, this money would be better spent on workable academic programs which
actually raise the child's level of academic competence and thus his
self-esteem.
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Be it resolved by the Colorado State Board of Education that

1. Colorado schools are halls of learning. The duty of a teacher is to ensure
the academic achievement of the student using methods of instruction that have
been proven workable
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2. No child shall be adjudicated as having ADHD or any other alleged learning
or behavior disorder when the disorder has not been scientifically validated
and lacks an objective, medically accepted diagnostic test.
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3. Funds currently used in the schools for treatment of the psychiatric
learning disorders which have not been scientifically validated should be
redirected into effective education programs such as after school tutoring. We
urge the Colorado General Assembly to enact legislation which will bring this
change about.
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4. Mind-altering psychotropic drugs which have the potential to create violent
or suicidal behavior shall not be dispensed to children for any alleged
learning, behavior, or mental disorder which lacks an exact, objective medical
diagnostic test such as that used to detect diabetes. Tutoring, vision testing,
phonics, nutritional guidance, medical examinations, allergy testing, standard
disciplinary procedures and other remedies known to be effective and harmless
shall be recommended to parents as their options.
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5. The parents of any child, which is currently taking psychotropic drugs,
should be advised that the cause of the alleged disorder is not known and
provided with complete information on the physical and emotional complications
the drug may cause. The parents should also be informed that such a course of
treatment may adversely affect the child's future employment and military
service options.

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Subject: Re: Ritalin and Suicide
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That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.

Mark tells us what we should believe. A bit of a control problem.

And you never, ever tell us what we should believe?

Look in the mirror and say:

HYPOCRITE!

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Is Ritalin the Root of Student Violence?

Nope, as poven by the NTAC assessment on school shootings.

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Beware Of Suicide Depression Drugs-FDA

Posted on 10/27/2003 2:57:30 PM PST by Brian S

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration alerted doctors on
Monday about reports that antidepressants might raise the risk of suicide in
children and teen-agers with major depression.

While there is no evidence to show most antidepressants could cause young
patients to commit suicide, doctors need to carefully watch them, the FDA said.

Only one drug, fluoxetine, sold by Eli Lilly and Co. under the name Prozac, is
approved for treating pediatric depression. But doctors are free to prescribe
any approved drug and several are being tested in younger patients.

"The data do not clearly establish an association between the use of these
drugs and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients," the
FDA said in a statement.

"Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk
of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)."
Paxil is made by GlaxoSmithKline Plc .

FDA Commissioner Dr. Mark McClellan said the situation showed better systems
are needed for reporting drug side effects. Doctors voluntarily report side
effects to the FDA or a drug manufacturer if and when time permits.

"We need a more efficient and effective program to uncover problems early,"
McClellan told a meeting of the Institute of Medicine, an independent group
that advises the federal government on health matters. "We are working to do
this at FDA. We are working to complete active reporting."

Electronic medical records linked directly to an FDA database would help do
this, he said, allowing computers to automatically collect data as it is noted
in a patient's record.

The FDA said there was not enough information to tell whether patients taking
antidepressants were more likely to try to take their own lives. "The labeling
of antidepressant drugs already carries precautionary language that the
possibility of a suicide attempt is inherent in major depressive disorder and
may persist until significant remission occurs. Close supervision of high-risk
patients should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised.

It said no one should stop taking the drugs abruptly, and not without
consulting a doctor.

The FDA said it had reviewed reports about eight antidepressants -- Paxil;
Prozac; citalopram, sold by Forest Laboratories under the brand name Celexa;
fluvoxamine, sold by Belgian drugmaker Solvay under the name Luvox;
mirtazapine, sold by Akzo Nobel's pharmaceutical unit Organon as Remeron;
nefazodone, sold by Bristol-Myers Squibb as Serzone; sertraline, sold by Pfizer
under the name Zoloft; and venlafaxine, sold by Wyeth under the name Effexor.

"FDA is aware of press and medical journal reports of suicide attempts and
completed suicides in pediatric patients receiving antidepressants, and many
such reports have also been submitted to FDA as spontaneous reports," the
agency said.

But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs caused the suicides, because
depression is the leading cause of suicide.

The FDA has scheduled a meeting on Feb. 2, 2004, of the Psychopharmacologic
Drugs Advisory Committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee of the Anti-Infective
Drugs Advisory Committee.

Experts say an estimated 750,000 U.S. adolescents suffer from depression and
500,000 attempt suicide every year. About 1,700 succeed.

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KEYWORDS: DEPRESSION; FDA; MENTALHEALTH
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1 posted on 10/27/2003 2:57:30 PM PST by Brian S
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To: Brian S
I just cannot imagine giving SSRIs to children. Sheeesh.

2 posted on 10/27/2003 2:58:27 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor
key.)
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To: Petronski
I just cannot imagine giving SSRIs to children. Sheeesh.
I don't advocate passing them out like candy, but those who really need them
should have them.

3 posted on 10/27/2003 3:11:27 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Petronski
Well it does happen. Read Patty Duke's book about growing up with childhood
depression while she was doing the Patty Duke show on TV. I think it is called
JUST CALL ME ANNA or HANNA. Chemical depression of the brain is no different
from chemical or physical problems with heart, eyes, legs, lungs, allergies,
etc. Defects occur. [censored] happens. It is caused by a chemical imbalance in the
brain, just like allergies are caused by excess histimine in the body, and
diabetes is caused by problem with pancreas and insulin. Humans have physical
defects. But we are just on the threshold of taking care of depression in
children with drugs. It is a new frontier. Maybe some day there will be a quick
cure for everything. Kids can get cancer and tumors too. It is scary.

4 posted on 10/27/2003 3:12:54 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary,
Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: Brian S
Meanwhile they (the pharma industry) keep 'pushing' drugs in TV ads like
candy...

"Just ask your doctor what this pill can do for you!"

5 posted on 10/27/2003 3:13:47 PM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: Petronski

6 posted on 10/27/2003 3:17:31 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary,
Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: traumer
Not true, unless your doctor is a quack! That would be gross malpractice!!!!!
You HAVE to go through ALL KINDS OF TESTS to get antidepressants, Ritalin, etc.
My son had to go through months of tests before they let him take Ritalin. They
must first rule out epilepsy, seizures, petit mal and grand seizures, etc. They
don't just hand it out like candy. You can die from taking the wrong med.
sheesh

7 posted on 10/27/2003 3:19:10 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary,
Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: Brian S
And what about RITALIN ? Is it safe ?

8 posted on 10/27/2003 3:30:11 PM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: buffyt
"You HAVE to go through ALL KINDS OF TESTS to get antidepressants, Ritalin,
etc. My son had to go through months of tests before they let him take Ritalin.
They must first rule out epilepsy, seizures, petit mal and grand seizures, etc.
They don't just hand it out like candy."

You do NOT have to take a blood test for Ritalin. Prescription is based on a
battery of written tests.

Ritilin is suspected of serious side effects, yet "doctors" continue writing
prescriptions for the stuff, based on recommendations by school psychologists,
counselors and parents.

I agree that depression is a valid medical diagnosis for a condition.

I disagree that medical science is doing this whole business correctly.

I lived through school wihen Ritalin did not exist. Somehow we survived. I do
NOT happen to be convinced about the way the children are being diagnosed and
treated.

Ritilin is like "speed." Whe will your kid stop taking it? What is the long
term medical research about stopping Ritilin?

You oughta want to know this stuff.

9 posted on 10/27/2003 3:41:53 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Brian S
500,000 attempt suicide every year. About 1,700 succeed.
They apparently are not very good at it.

10 posted on 10/27/2003 3:48:52 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: buffyt
A good book: 'Surviving Manic Depression' by E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. This book
has loads of info on medications and resources. The Dr. mentions Patty Duke's
book, 'A Brilliant Madness' as the best at explaining the journey into manic
depression. (Thought I would suggest this for interesing reading.... 🙂

11 posted on 10/27/2003 3:53:22 PM PST by BossLady (Being Democrat is a
vegetative state.......)
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To: Brian S
I don't believe in doping up people as a cure-all.

Hyperactive? Got just the thing: it's called "yard work."
Depressed? Got just the thing: it's called "serving those in need."
Panic attacks? Got just the thing: it's called "exercise."

Bottom line: there's no cure in any bottle for what ails you. Even medicines
meant for treating physical ailments can't do that. All they do is give your
body a fighting chance to mend itself.

Likewise, there's no cure for depression in any bottle of pills. They maybe
will give you a short respite, but you'll still have the same old problems when
the drug wears off.

So life kicks you sometimes. Kick it back. Works for me.

12 posted on 10/27/2003 5:02:21 PM PST by Prime Choice (---] Stay the course --
Bush 2004 [---)
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To: buffyt
depression of the brain is no different from chemical or physical problems with
heart, eyes, legs, lungs, allergies, etc.
Stop that now, everyone knows that it is just the weak willed wimps that suffer
from these disorders.

13 posted on 10/27/2003 5:54:10 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is
evil still...Alan Keyes)
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Hello!?!?!
You can't solve your problems with a pill!

Doh!

14 posted on 10/27/2003 5:54:32 PM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Bill raped,
Monica swallowed, Hillary totally sucks.)
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I lived through school wihen Ritalin did not exist. Somehow we survive
How about discipline, was there any of that when you went to school?

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

http://www231.pair.com/grpulse/bt/drilri.html

Bodyteen.com provides valuable medically accurate information. It does not
replace the advice of a medical professional.

And the goes on to do just what it says it doesn't. No wonder Jan likes this
hypocrite site.

Jan the Accuser said:

*Merely* a few hundred times, with my reply a few hundred.

But never did you reply with EVEN ONE example
of a lie I told about Cell Tech.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Note that, once again, she ignored the request for an example.

Lies are rampant here.

You being the biggest purveyor thereof.

Quoted message said:

I showed examples a few hundred times. Mark has repeat itis, maybe it's from
working at IBM??

When? Certainly not in any posting I've ever seen?
Perhaps you'll prove me wrong by posting one of these
examples right now? (Of course, you won't.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

She accuses people of lying, but never
backs up her allegations with any facts.

There's another lie.

Then, let's seen example, Jan.
Show an example of a lie I made about
Cell Tech. Not a lie somebody else made.
Not a statement I made which is not a lie.
Not a statement you made by chopping up
statements I made.

I'm asking to see an example of a WHOLE
statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie.

You have never posted an example of that.

Quoted message said:

Posted over and over and over

And never have you responded with an example
of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Never.

[snipped huge amount of stuff in which Jan mixes
statements made by me with statmeents made by
other people]

Can you just point to ONE statement I made
which is a lie? You post a haystack of statements
made by me (and other people) with the implication
that there's a needle in their somewhere. Well,
there's not. There is NO statement in there made
by me which is a lie.

If you disagree, just bring out that needle. Just
point to a statement I made about Cell Tech which
is a lie. Don't try to confuse the issue by putting
up this big smokescreen of statements made by
other people.

It is not the responsibility of the reader to figure
out where the lie is. It is the responsibility of the
accuser (that's you, Jan) to point out the lie.

Why don't you do that, Jan?

Is it because then it would be obvious to everybody
that you can't come up with EVEN ONE example
of a statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie?

And then everybody would know it is Jan Drew
who is the LIAR?

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/PSYCHIATRY.htm

HOW PSYCHIATRY IS MAKING DRUG ADDICTS OUT OF AMERICA'S SCHOOL CHILDREN
By Dennis H. Clarke

Copyright © 1997 by Dennis H. Clarke, All Rights Reserved

Prologue and Summary by Forest Glen Durland

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Prologue
Child energy and control -- high and low

by Forest Glen Durland

Copyright 1998 by Forest Glen Durland

Based on personal experience, my three children and many years teaching, my
diagnosis of more-active and less-active than "normal" children finds that
these traits are usually caused and controlled by two factors: home life and
diet. Home life is the mental aspect, while diet is the physical aspect.

Happy home life with two parents (one of each gender) usually produces a
well-balanced and mentally secure child that copes well with school life.
Unsettled and broken homes usually produce children who are unsettled and
insecure mentally. It is that simple, really. For years I have regarded
students as a vivid video monitor of their home life. Man is a product of his
environment. TV plays a huge part in this drama. The average child watches that
idiot tube over five hours each day. Most sensible parents agree that most TV
programs are junk.

For years doctors and scientists have known that the human body needs certain
nutrients, vitamins, etc. to remain healthy. Omit any of those items and a
problem will probably develop. Add other items that alter mind and/or body and
serious consequences can follow. The two major items that have caused problems
in my classroom are sugars and caffeine. Both speed a child's activity. Sugar
is brutal when its supply is exhausted. When the supply runs out, sugars and
refined white flours dump you flat on your face. That is most probably why kids
go from high to low. The normal is missing.

Most schools have junk food machines abundant. A fast junk food store is
nearby. It is the responsibility of the parents and our school administrators
to remove those sources of school interruption. And interruption it most
certainly is. Time after time, year after year, I have witnessed students
coming into the room by way of the ceiling. By the time I got them down the
wall, the bell rang and they charged out. I have witnessed a boy jugalugging a
pint of tea. That is a big slug of caffeine. At break and lunch, sugar laden
snacks are everywhere.

Our parents and our school administrators are at fault on both counts. It is
they that should control diet.

Potent doses of sugar do something else to the body. When the overdose of sugar
is detected, the body moves to counteract it. When the sugar burns up, the body
is left with an overdose of counteraction that could be felt as an insulin
shock. In summary, an overdose of sugar causes the body to go into a yo-yo
reaction. Teachers don't seem to be the least cognizant of this cause and
effect, labeling the child abnormal and needing treatment.

So it is no wonder that students are either high or low. There can be no even
activity. Enter the psychiatrists with zero experience in the classroom.
Teachers say kids are not normal. Psychiatrist gives drugs. Kids become
addicts. Yes, addicts - millions of them. Hillary on the Hill has pushed Goals
2000 on the schools, and school administrators are eating it up. Well, Goals
2000 makes it legal for teachers to administer Ritalin, Prozac and Valium to
students without prescription and without as much as notifying the child's
parents. Now comes the real shocker: Ritalin is about the same as cocaine --
permanently addictive and brain damaging.

Active children are not bad or sick children. They are healthy children.
Inactive children are not necessarily sick. Check their home life and diet. But
think three times before letting government take over. They have been
demonstrating Nazi influence in American lately, taking the children from the
parents. This is a dangerous precedent you are well advised to caution against.

Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are definitely habit forming. Caffeine will flush
itself out of the body in about ten days. But sugar and nicotine create a
craving that is extremely difficult to overcome. One ex-addict stated that it
was easier to throw the cocaine habit than nicotine.

Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are so influential on mental eating habits and
response that I labeled them the BBK minors in my book, Age of the Mind. BBK
majors are the hard stuff like cocaine and its tough, nasty brother, Ritalin.
BBK stands for Brain and Body Killers. Now you know what I think of excess
sugar and sugared junk food.

The BBK minors set the stage for the majors. Once kids get hooked on the easy
stuff, it is an easy step to the BBK majors. Add to the influence the ever
present TV. For five hours a day kids watch TV characters eat junk food galore
and pop pills for every pain that never existed. So they are brain washed to
eat something that makes them unsettled, then to take something to calm them
down. Sugar sellers, psychiatrists and drug companies are making millions off
our kids habits.

In addition to the BBK influence, TV fries the human mind. The children become
addicted to it and are unable to live by themselves and keep themselves at
peace with their own mind. TV prevents kids from learning to think for
themselves. The TV does all their thinking for them, is designed for the eighth
grade mind and lower, and constantly imprints the sellers desires on the
children's putty-soft minds.

All of this summed up is a powerful dose. Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are
being pushed constantly by the TV adds into a controlled, receptive young mind.
BBK minors graduate up to the BBK majors. Incidentally, I consider alcohol a
BBK major.

Now add an additional, clandestine influence. Open your mind, now, and do not
rush to label this subject with your favorite brush off. I am well researched
and documented and know whereof I speak. An unseen, covert governing elite have
been gradually gaining control of the world for about three centuries. Recent
statements indicate that their agenda is nearly complete. One of their
necessary goals is total mind control. It is plain to see this assault in our
schools. At the hands of Hillary Clinton, Goals 2000 has been forced on all
school districts, probably unconstitutionally. Goals 2000, also known as OBE
(Outcome Based Education) has made it legal for schools to give Ritalin, Prozac
and valium to kids without even telling their parents. So, summing up all of
this story, we have millions of children on Ritalin. If hooked, and it could so
easily happen, we will have a nation of addicts very soon. Well, addicts will
do anything they are told for a fix. The agenda of the governing elite is
nearly complete.

You can start by cutting the cord on all your TVs.

Then buy some good books and magazines like National Geographic. Buy a piano,
some art supplies, and some books on music, art and foreign language. It worked
for my family. When I moved, I junked the TV.

The administering of Ritalin to children raises a bright caution flag. If
Ritalin is more dangerous than cocaine, why is it made legal by, and perhaps
recommended by Goals 2000? That's "the Village" Hilliary Clinton is pushing.
That's the federal legislation that makes it legal for teachers to administer
Ritalin to students without prescription and without as much as notifying the
parents. These facts alone should tell everyone that Goals 2000 is up to no
good. It appears to reflect the moral character of the PresidentS Clinton.

In the following summary, read the documentation that Ritalin makes children
suicidal and dangerous. This adds volatile fuel to the research question on
this education site: Was Ritalin taken by the kids who killed kids? So far, the
answer is yes. We need more cases and letters of proof for documentation. Then
it is up you Moms to march on Congress, for that appears to be our only hope of
mopping this country's legislative floor. The kitchen militia knows how to get
that job done. The rest of us must get behind you and push. We must support
you. Time is short. In Novemer we must replace about half of Congress with
people who know how the keep the floor clean. And before then, we must cause
Congress to boot Clinton, Clinton and Gore clear out of town. Be sure that is
on your list of chores for the kids to do, meaning, of course, Congress. After
all, OUR Constitution, or what's left of it, says that Congress is working for
us. So, tell 'em, Ladies! They are not listening to me.

Please read on.

Forest Glen Durland

This Introduction is for public use.

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HOW PSYCHIATRY IS MAKING DRUG ADDICTS OUT OF AMERICA'S SCHOOL CHILDREN
By Dennis H. Clarke

Summary by Forest Glen Durland

Intended as complete study on the drugging of America's children, this work by
Dennis Clarke is, indeed, revealing, if not frightening. Parents can not help
wonder what OUR government is doing to their children. In 1995, over two
million children were addicted to some of the most dangerous and addictive
drugs known to man. These drugs can alter the mind and cause brain damage.
Extensive documentation is available.

"Authorities" "diagnose" children as young as 18 months of age as having
"mental illness". Once labeled, pediatricians and psychiatrists then "treat the
mental illness" with some of the most dangerous and addictive substances known
to man. Many of the children's lives are ruined.

"Today, under psychiatry's invented criteria, there isn't a single normal
childhood activity which doesn't fall within the broad 'symptoms' which
comprise so-called 'mental illness'. Some of the labels are: Attention Deficit
Disorder, Hyperactivity, Minimal Brain Dysfunction, Learning Disability,
Impulse disorder, Developmental Reading Disorder, Developmental Writing
Disorder, developmental Arithmetic Disorder."

"Result: addicts and lunatics. Brains are fried and body functions are damaged.
This is what Ritalin and dozens of other psychiatric drugs are intended to do.
To add insult to injury, in many, if not all cases, parents are not made aware
of the magnitude of the 'treatment' ".

"If these are 'medical criteria', Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is a
fraud being perpetrated on the parents, teachers and children of America by the
psychiatric industry which is in constant need of new customers and by greedy
drug manufacturers cashing in on this nations generous medical insurance and
ignorance. The psychiatrists and drug companies win and the children and the
future of society lose. It is as simple as that".

"Attention Deficit Disorder is in fact, in the eyes of the beholder. ... "

The effects of Ritalin, amphetamines and cocaine, including the side effects,
are, in fact, indistinguishable.

WHAT IS RITALIN?
"Frankly, Ritalin is one of the most dangerous and addictive substances known
to man. It is an extremely potent stimulant, a 'speed' type drug, or 'upper' as
it is known to and is in high demand by 'street' addicts. In the human body,
its effect is chemically and neurologically equivalent to cocaine or the
amphetamines."

"While Ritalin is a different chemical from cocaine and the amphetamines, it
has almost an identical effect with two important differences. First, milligram
per milligram, Ritalin is more potent than cocaine or amphetamines. Second, the
effects of Ritalin last longer than cocaine or the amphetamines."

"Ritalin, when used on children, is given orally rather than being injected,
snorted or smoked as with methamphetamine and cocaine. But the use of cocaine
or amphetamines orally would have the same effect as Ritalin on the child, with
the only difference being that more cocaine or amphetamine would be needed to
get the same effect. It should be known that experienced addicts are unable to
distinguish injected cocaine from injected Ritalin or injected amphetamines."

"The injection of Ritalin destroys the vein at the sight of the injection and
often the needle mark will become infected with sores that will not heal. The
addicts will often use up and ruin the usual veins in the arms, legs, hands and
feet and begin "shooting" under fingernails and under the tongue and eventually
will 'shoot' into the neck and have even been known to use veins around the
eyeball."

" 'Perhaps the best-known effect of chronic stimulant administration is
psychosis. Psychosis has been associated with chronic use of several
stimulants; e.g., amphetamines, METHYLPHENIDATE (RITALIN), phenmetrazine and
cocaine... [This] psychosis mimics paranoid schizophrenia or paranoia so
closely that it has been misdiagnosed as such by experienced clinicians many
times' "

"As you will learn, psychosis is only the beginning of consequential adverse
effects of altering, perhaps permanently, of Ritalin. States of extreme
paranoia (where the person thinks all others are out to harm him or her) are
common. Many very horrible crimes have been committed by people using Ritalin.
Police in Vancouver recently reported crimes of all types were up in that city
as a result of Ritalin use. The police chief said that 80% of the crime in
Vancouver would cease if Ritalin could be taken off the market. This situation
is now well underway in Europe and the US as well."

WARNING SUICIDE WARNING
"The following warning is based on a study of the medical literature on the
subject of Ritalin withdrawal and actual case studies:"

"WARNING: According to the American Psychiatric Association, SUICIDE is the
major adverse consequence of withdrawal from Ritalin and similar drugs.
Suicides and attempted suicides by children on Ritalin have occurred when the
drug was withdrawn or the dosage reduced. Suicides and attempted suicides have
also occurred at normal dose levels without warning. Children should be watched
for any signs of drug induced depression or other mental disturbance as these
are common with the use of such powerful chemicals, particularly for periods
lasting a week or longer. The effects of the drug may be cumulative within the
brain and so the onset of adverse reactions such as suicidal thinking may be
sudden and occur without warning. Special precautions should be taken during
withdrawal or reduction in the amount used. Withdrawal or reduction of the
amount of the substance used may also 'unmask' drug induced states of severe
paranoid delusional or psychotic states which can last for a year or longer
after the last use of the drug. For this reason, children on Ritalin may hide
their feelings and thoughts so no one will interfere with their attempt to
destroy themselves."

"Psychiatrists are telling parents and teachers that, in effect, these children
are 'mentally ill' or 'mentally disordered.' …They are told that the
situation is desperate and that 'early intervention' in the form of 'medicine'
is needed to 'save the child from a life of misery, criminality or worse.' "

"Some parents and teachers are told that Ritalin will make it easier for the
child to learn and retain data. This is also a false claim and is probably the
biggest lie being promoted and told about Ritalin. Ritalin is not a 'smart
pill.' In fact, it is the opposite of a 'smart pill'. The vast majority of
children on Ritalin have either no improvement in their scholastic achievement
or their actual achievement scores will deteriorate, sometimes drastically over
time.

"What is the long term outlook for children raised on Ritalin on a daily or
almost daily basis? Exactly what you would expect if your child were raised on
cocaine on a daily or almost daily basis. An American National Institute For
Mental Health funded study, tells the sad tale:"

"Rather than solving any problems, the mass drugging of America's school
children has caused a massive crime wave and a wave of child suicide which has
no precedent anywhere or any time in History. Prior to 1970, when Ritalin use
began to be commonplace in our schools, child suicide was virtually unheard of.
Today, it is an epidemic."

" This data above has been acquired over a period of thirty years and is
offered as a public service. Data related to specific drug effects are taken
from authoritative medical and pharmaceutical references. "

Jan the Accuser said:

*Merely* a few hundred times, with my reply a few hundred.

But never did you reply with EVEN ONE example
of a lie I told about Cell Tech.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Note that, once again, she ignored the request for an example.

Lies are rampant here.

You being the biggest purveyor thereof.

Quoted message said:

I showed examples a few hundred times. Mark has repeat itis, maybe it's from
working at IBM??

When? Certainly not in any posting I've ever seen?
Perhaps you'll prove me wrong by posting one of these
examples right now? (Of course, you won't.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

She accuses people of lying, but never
backs up her allegations with any facts.

There's another lie.

Then, let's seen example, Jan.
Show an example of a lie I made about
Cell Tech. Not a lie somebody else made.
Not a statement I made which is not a lie.
Not a statement you made by chopping up
statements I made.

I'm asking to see an example of a WHOLE
statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie.

You have never posted an example of that.

Quoted message said:

Posted over and over and over

And never have you responded with an example
of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Never.

[snipped huge amount of stuff in which Jan mixes
statements made by me with statmeents made by
other people]

Can you just point to ONE statement I made
which is a lie? You post a haystack of statements
made by me (and other people) with the implication
that there's a needle in their somewhere. Well,
there's not. There is NO statement in there made
by me which is a lie.

If you disagree, just bring out that needle. Just
point to a statement I made about Cell Tech which
is a lie. Don't try to confuse the issue by putting
up this big smokescreen of statements made by
other people.

It is not the responsibility of the reader to figure
out where the lie is. It is the responsibility of the
accuser (that's you, Jan) to point out the lie.

Why don't you do that, Jan?

Is it because then it would be obvious to everybody
that you can't come up with EVEN ONE example
of a statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie?

And then everybody would know it is Jan Drew
who is the LIAR?

Jan the Accuser said:

*Merely* a few hundred times, with my reply a few hundred.

But never did you reply with EVEN ONE example
of a lie I told about Cell Tech.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Note that, once again, she ignored the request for an example.

Lies are rampant here.

You being the biggest purveyor thereof.

Quoted message said:

I showed examples a few hundred times. Mark has repeat itis, maybe it's from
working at IBM??

When? Certainly not in any posting I've ever seen?
Perhaps you'll prove me wrong by posting one of these
examples right now? (Of course, you won't.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

She accuses people of lying, but never
backs up her allegations with any facts.

There's another lie.

Then, let's seen example, Jan.
Show an example of a lie I made about
Cell Tech. Not a lie somebody else made.
Not a statement I made which is not a lie.
Not a statement you made by chopping up
statements I made.

I'm asking to see an example of a WHOLE
statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie.

You have never posted an example of that.

Quoted message said:

Posted over and over and over

And never have you responded with an example
of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Never.

[snipped huge amount of stuff in which Jan mixes
statements made by me with statmeents made by
other people]

Can you just point to ONE statement I made
which is a lie? You post a haystack of statements
made by me (and other people) with the implication
that there's a needle in their somewhere. Well,
there's not. There is NO statement in there made
by me which is a lie.

If you disagree, just bring out that needle. Just
point to a statement I made about Cell Tech which
is a lie. Don't try to confuse the issue by putting
up this big smokescreen of statements made by
other people.

It is not the responsibility of the reader to figure
out where the lie is. It is the responsibility of the
accuser (that's you, Jan) to point out the lie.

Why don't you do that, Jan?

Is it because then it would be obvious to everybody
that you can't come up with EVEN ONE example
of a statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie?

And then everybody would know it is Jan Drew
who is the LIAR?