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Quoted message said:Well the self-righteous continue, and poor John keeps
apologizing for his 'badness'.
So I ask myself, what's the difference between ritalin
and amphetamine?
The prescription, the pseudonyms, are the only difference.
The American pilots in Afghanistan that killed the
Canadian troops were high on "go pills" which are
dexidrine (amphetimine). But they can't be bad becaue they
were PRESCRIBED, and called GO PILLS not SPEED.
This is what society does, they classify people by
everything, even their drug of choice. The potheads, the
junkies, the speedfreaks...the good folk with their
'drink', valium, benzodiazapines, anti-depressants. We
have the moral majority and their favorite "drink" --
ethanol; notice ethanol is not called a drug it is a DRINK
(for the taste only).
So, if a doctor prescribes it or injects it it is fine, if
we self-medicate we are evil. Never mind that your father
is an alcoholic only we don't call him that cause he's an
oil exec and not passed out under the tree in the park.
Nah. He passes out at home after terrifying his kids.
John's a junky because he bought his drug on the street..
Mothers little helpers, back pills, nerve pills....I have
heard them all used by the same people that talk about
putting pot smokers in jail. Anyway, moralizing is the
privilege of the normals and the chosen. God loves a good
and decent person. I know he must because he keeps trying
to rid the world of all the rest of the people in the most
gruesome and painful and seemingly arbitrary manner...
The moralizing is a byproduct of egotism and zenophobia."
From a conversation with a friend.
Zee
Continuing.....conversation with a friend....
"How is that poor guy making out with the holier than thous?
Too bad he sought normalcy in a news group. not very
representative of 'normal' is it?
I had to synthesize ritalin for (pharmaceutical co i worked
with) so i am very familiar with it. The 'formula', meaning
the number of atoms and types, is different and doesn't
reflect the bio-activity anyway. You are correct however in
that they work on the same neuro-centers and are eagerly
bought by the kids at school from the dx'd Addrs
Same effects...stimulation and release of endorphins.
they (stimulants) have a calming effect on Addrs
because they stimulate the inhibitory neuro'~s..ie,
they put on the brakes, which seems paradoxical until
you make that analogue.
Yes, rit~ and Dexedrine are enzymaticly similar. check out
eroid vaults for more info.
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Q: Is meth the same thing as Amphetamines such as
prescription drugs like adderall and ritalin?
R: "Meth" is meth-amphetamine, which is a type of
amphetamine. The "meth" from Meth-amphetamine comes
from the chemical name "methyl". The chemical
Methamphetamine is composed of an amphetamine
molecule with an additional methyl group attached to
its nitrogen (amine group). A methyl is one of the
simplest atomic groups which can be added to a
molecule: it is a single carbon atom with a set of
(usually) 3 hydrogens.
Take a look at Chem Compare. If you look on the far right
end on these images, you can see that there is a "NH-CH3" on
the Methamphetamine where there is a "NH2" on the
amphetamine. For many of the known psychoactives, adding a
methyl group slightly alters the effects, duration, and/or
potency. As you start to pay attention to other chemical
names, you'll see "meth" show up in many names and this will
almost always indicate that there is a methyl group on the
molecule somewhere. For Methamphetamine, the methyl allows
it a little better fat solubility and thus better
penetration into the brain.
Adderall is simply a brand name for a particular mix of
different "stereoisomers" (same atoms connecting at the same
places, just pointing in different directions in space at
one point in the molecule) and salts of amphetamine. Take a
look at the page describing Adderall for a little more info
about this.
Ritalin (methylphenidate) does contain an amphetamine-like
backbone, however it is more complex. Take a look at the
difference in Chem-Compare. The additional structures on
this molecule also alter its interaction with the body and
the neurons in our brains. Methylphenidate is reported to
have less euphoric effects (some people describe it as 'more
dull'😉 than methamphetamine, but every individual is unique
in their reaction to psychoactives, so no statement is
universally true. While similar in backbone structure,
amphetamine, methamphetamine, and ritalin are all quite
unique drugs, with somewhat similar, but distinct, effects.
Another thing to note when talking about the differences in
the amphetamine-class stimulants is that one of the strange
effects of current culture is that particular drugs are
demonized in the news, entertainment media, government
information, and school curricula. Methamphetamine is
particularly demonized, amphetamine somewhat less so, even
though amphetamine-related stimulant drugs -- including
methylphenidate (Ritalin), amphetamine (Adderall,
Dexedrine), & methamphetamine (Desoxyn) -- are commonly
prescribed for children from as young as age 3. All three
of these can lead to difficult-to-break habits and can
become a problem for some people who try them. But the
marketing teams of the pharmaceutical companies do what
they can to soothe parents' concerns by separating the
image of street-speed users from the clean, clinical,
healthy use of their products.
All of these substances are swallowed, snorted, smoked, and
injected by users (in estimated order of frequency) and all
can be dangerous in combinations with MAOIs, at high doses,
or at high frequencies of use.
