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  1. Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't tell
    you something, you are hopleless.

    Jan

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    Ritalin Addiction

    Ritalin addiction is a very serious and sometimes life threatening dilemma. Not
    only is it difficult for the addict, it is extremely hard on those around them
    who care about them. For the addict, admitting they have an addiction problem
    can be difficult. However painful this may be, it must be acknowledged as the
    first gradient to overcoming the problem. The next hurdle is being willing to
    seek & accept help from an addiction professional. It can be hard for an addict
    to confront the fact that they can not do it alone. Once this fact is accepted,
    it is time to seek the appropriate professional treatment. Drug rehab programs
    based on the social education modality are highly successful. This means that
    individuals who are recovering from Ritalin addiction are not made wrong for
    their past indiscretions, but are taught how to avoid future ones. They are
    provided with knowledge on how to change their lives and how to live
    comfortably without Ritalin. Receiving treatment for addiction should be done
    in a safe & stable environment that is conducive to addiction recovery.
    Research studies show that residential treatment programs of at least 3 months
    in duration have the best success rates. 3 months may seem like a long time,
    but one day in the life of an individual addicted to Ritalin can feel like an
    eternity. Addiction is a self imposed hellish slavery. The chains can be broken
    people do it everyday. You can be free!

    Drug rehabilitation is a multi-phase, multi-faceted, long term process.
    Detoxification is only the first step on the road of addiction treatment.
    Physical detoxification alone is not sufficient to change the patterns of a
    drug addict. Recovery from addiction involves an extended process which usually
    requires the help of drug addiction professionals. To make a successful
    recovery, the addict needs new tools in order to deal with situations and
    problems which arise. Factors such as encountering someone from their days of
    using, returning to the same environment and places, or even small things such
    as smells and objects trigger memories which can create psychological stress.
    This can hinder the addict's goal of complete recovery, thus not allowing the
    addict to permanently regain control of his or her life.

    Almost all addicts tell themselves in the beginning that they can conquer their
    addiction on their own without the help of outside resources. Unfortunately,
    this is not usually the case. When an addict makes an attempt at detoxification
    and to discontinue drug use without the aid of professional help, statistically
    the results do not last long. Research into the effects of long-term addiction
    has shown that substantial changes in the way the brain functions are present
    long after the addict has stopped using drugs. Realizing that a drug addict who
    wishes to recover from their addiction needs more than just strong will power
    is the key to a successful recovery. Battling not only cravings for their drug
    of choice, re-stimulation of their past and changes in the way their brain
    functions, it is no wonder that quitting drugs without professional help is an
    uphill battle.

    As an organization we are dedicated to finding the correct solution for your
    specific addiction problem. Our referral list contains over 3,000 resources
    which encompass the following treatment categories :

    Ritalin Detox Center
    Ritalin Rehab
    Ritalin Treatment
    Ritalin Addiction Treatment
    Ritalin Addiction Counseling
    Meetings
    Ritalin In-Patient Treatment
    Ritalin Out-Patient Treatment

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year
    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys. Q) What is Ritalin?

    A) Ritalin (methylphenidate) is a central nervous system stimulant, similar to
    amphetamines in the nature and duration of its effects. It is believed that it
    works by activating the brain stem arousal system and cortex.
    Pharmacologically, it works on the neurotransmitter dopamine, and in that
    respect resembles the stimulant characteristics of cocaine. When taken in
    accordance with usual prescription instructions, it would be classified as
    having mild to moderate stimulant properties, but when snorted or injected it
    has a strong stimulant effect. Ritalin is manufactured by CIBA-Geigy
    Corporation, and is supplied in 5 mg., 10 mg., and 20 mg. tablets, and in a
    sustained release form, Ritalin SR as 20 mg. tablets. It is readily water
    soluble and is intended for oral use. It is a Schedule II Controlled Substance
    under both the federal and Indiana Controlled Substances Acts. Since Ritalin is
    a Schedule II Controlled Substance, the federal government strictly regulates
    the amount that may be manufactured, through a system of rigid manufacturing
    quotas.

    Q) How is Ritalin used?

    A) When abused, Ritalin tablets are taken orally, crushed and then snorted, or
    dissolved in water and "cooked" for intravenous injection.
    There are numerous reports in medical journals about permanent and irreversible
    lung tissue damage related to injection of crushed Ritalin tablets.

    In order to make the 5- to 20 mg. dose tablets large enough to handle easily,
    at least 100 mg. of "inert ingredients" are added to the tablets to increase
    their size. Depending upon size and formulation, the following inert
    ingredients are found in Ritalin tablets, according to the manufacturer:
    lactose, starch, polyethelene glycol, magnesium stearate, sucrose, talc,
    cellulose, mineral oil, and various dyes and conditioning agents. While these
    ingredients are "inert" when taken by mouth, they can cause serious problems
    when injected or snorted.

    Health Consequences of Intravenous and/or Injection Drug Use
    The hypodermic syringe was designed to deliver a concentrated dose of a drug
    quickly and efficiently. In doing so, it bypasses many of the body's natural
    defense mechanisms such as the skin, respiratory cilia, digestive acids, etc.
    The syringe allows anything in it (drugs, dust, bacteria, pollen, allergens,
    yeasts, viruses, fillers, etc.) to pass directly into the blood and body
    tissues. The rapid delivery of drugs via injection makes it difficult for the
    user to control the intensity of the drug effect, thus making toxic overdoses
    more likely.
    When drugs are prepared for injection by a street user, dust, dirt, and other
    contaminants fall into the liquid. Bacteria, talc, lint, and other particles
    are injected along with the drug. The "inert ingredients" that manufacturers
    include to increase the bulk may be harmless when taken by mouth, but talc,
    cellulose, mineral oil, and sugars (among other fillers) can create serious
    problems when injected directly into veins or body tissues. Complications from
    injection drug use include:
    drug overdoses and toxic overdose reactions
    blood clots from scar tissue, particles in the liquid, cotton and lint fibers,
    etc.
    infections ("blood poisoning," abscesses, hepatitis, AIDS, etc.)
    scars ("tracks" and adhesions)
    pulmonary problems ("addict's lung," embolisms, etc.)
    skin and circulatory problems

    Health consequences of Snorting Drugs (Intranasal Insufflation)
    The delicate epithelial tissues that line the nasal cavities and air passages
    may be damaged by direct contact with drugs. Ritalin tablets contain the
    hydrochloride salt of methylphenidate and yield dilute hydrochloric acid when
    they come into contact with moisture. While this is not a problem in the
    stomach (hydrochloric acid is one of the digestive acids used in the stomach),
    in the nasal passages the acid can "burn" the delicate nasal tissues, resulting
    in open sores, nose bleeds, and possibly in deterioration of the nasal
    cartilage. Q) What are the side effects of Ritalin?

    A) The side effects of Ritalin addiction include but are not limited to:

    drug addiction
    nervousness and insomnia
    loss of appetite
    nausea and vomiting
    dizziness
    headaches
    changes in heart rate and blood pressure (usually elevation of both, but
    occasionally depression)
    skin rashes and itching
    abdominal pain
    weight loss
    digestive problems
    toxic psychosis
    psychotic episodes
    severe depression upon withdrawal High doses of stimulants produce a
    predictable set of symptoms that include:

    loss of appetite (may cause serious malnutrition)
    tremors and muscle twitching
    fevers, convulsions, and headaches (may be severe)
    irregular heartbeat and respiration (may be profound and life threatening)
    anxiety, restlessness
    paranoia, hallucinations, and delusions
    excessive repetition of movements and meaningless tasks
    formicaton (sensation of bugs or worms crawling under the skin) While death due
    to non-medical use of Ritalin is not common, it has been known to occur.

    Q) What are the symptoms of Ritalin overdose?

    A) Symptoms of Ritalin overdose may include: Agitation, confusion, convulsions
    (may be followed by coma), delirium, dryness of mucous membranes, enlarging of
    the pupil of the eye, exaggerated feeling of elation, extremely elevated body
    temperature, flushing, hallucinations, headache, high blood pressure, irregular
    or rapid heartbeat, muscle twitching, sweating, tremors, vomiting.

    A growing number of youngsters taking the drug Ritalin® (methylphenidate)
    experience overdose, researchers report. The study looked at the frequency of
    Ritalin overdose cases reported to a regional poison control center in Detroit.
    Children ages 6 to 9 years were at the greatest risk of overdose, compared with
    other age groups. Over a two-year period, 289 cases were reported. Of these,
    31% developed symptoms. Most common adverse effects included tachycardia,
    agitation and lethargy. Most cases were due to parents or caregivers
    unintentionally giving patients excessive amounts of the drug.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Ritalin Addiction
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 9/18/2003 10:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    geez Jan...your thickness astounds me!!!

    again you did NOT read this...or you don't know what you are reading..

    Quoted message said:

    Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't
    tell
    you something, you are hopleless.

    Jan

    OK....these Ritalin centers are NOT for children taking Ritalin for ADD...but
    for those "abusing" Ritalin..

    they have alcohol rehab centers too....does that mean we should return to
    Prohibition??

    Quoted message said:

    residential treatment programs of at least 3 months
    in duration have the best success

    does this sound like children??

    Quoted message said:

    When an addict makes an attempt at detoxification
    and to discontinue drug use without the aid of professional help,

    does this sound like they are discussing children??

    Quoted message said:

    When taken in
    accordance with usual prescription instructions, it would be classified as
    having mild to moderate stimulant properties,

    hmmmm read that carefully..."when taken in accordance with the usual
    prescription instructions..

    and now read this..

    Quoted message said:

    but when snorted or injected it
    has a strong stimulant effect.

    snorted or injected??? children??

    read this

    Quoted message said:

    When abused, Ritalin tablets are taken orally, crushed and then snorted, or

    Quoted message said:

    dissolved in water and "cooked" for intravenous injection.

    children??? snorting...IV injecting??

    you continue to outdo yourself...

    hawki

  3. Another way to hook kids BEFORE they reach puberty at age 12...this is Nucking
    Futz!!
    B-0b1

    Jan said:

    Good Grief, we even have Ritalin Addiction Rehab Centers. If that doesn't tell
    you something, you are hopleless.

    Jan

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    Ritalin Addiction

    Ritalin addiction is a very serious and sometimes life threatening dilemma. Not
    only is it difficult for the addict, it is extremely hard on those around them
    who care about them. For the addict, admitting they have an addiction problem
    can be difficult. However painful this may be, it must be acknowledged as the
    first gradient to overcoming the problem. The next hurdle is being willing to
    seek & accept help from an addiction professional. It can be hard for an addict
    to confront the fact that they can not do it alone. Once this fact is accepted,
    it is time to seek the appropriate professional treatment. Drug rehab programs
    based on the social education modality are highly successful. This means that
    individuals who are recovering from Ritalin addiction are not made wrong for
    their past indiscretions, but are taught how to avoid future ones. They are
    provided with knowledge on how to change their lives and how to live
    comfortably without Ritalin. Receiving treatment for addiction should be done
    in a safe & stable environment that is conducive to addiction recovery.
    Research studies show that residential treatment programs of at least 3 months
    in duration have the best success rates. 3 months may seem like a long time,
    but one day in the life of an individual addicted to Ritalin can feel like an
    eternity. Addiction is a self imposed hellish slavery. The chains can be broken
    people do it everyday. You can be free!

    Drug rehabilitation is a multi-phase, multi-faceted, long term process.
    Detoxification is only the first step on the road of addiction treatment.
    Physical detoxification alone is not sufficient to change the patterns of a
    drug addict. Recovery from addiction involves an extended process which usually
    requires the help of drug addiction professionals. To make a successful
    recovery, the addict needs new tools in order to deal with situations and
    problems which arise. Factors such as encountering someone from their days of
    using, returning to the same environment and places, or even small things such
    as smells and objects trigger memories which can create psychological stress.
    This can hinder the addict's goal of complete recovery, thus not allowing the
    addict to permanently regain control of his or her life.

    Almost all addicts tell themselves in the beginning that they can conquer their
    addiction on their own without the help of outside resources. Unfortunately,
    this is not usually the case. When an addict makes an attempt at detoxification
    and to discontinue drug use without the aid of professional help, statistically
    the results do not last long. Research into the effects of long-term addiction
    has shown that substantial changes in the way the brain functions are present
    long after the addict has stopped using drugs. Realizing that a drug addict who
    wishes to recover from their addiction needs more than just strong will power
    is the key to a successful recovery. Battling not only cravings for their drug
    of choice, re-stimulation of their past and changes in the way their brain
    functions, it is no wonder that quitting drugs without professional help is an
    uphill battle.

    As an organization we are dedicated to finding the correct solution for your
    specific addiction problem. Our referral list contains over 3,000 resources
    which encompass the following treatment categories :

    Ritalin Detox Center
    Ritalin Rehab
    Ritalin Treatment
    Ritalin Addiction Treatment
    Ritalin Addiction Counseling
    Meetings
    Ritalin In-Patient Treatment
    Ritalin Out-Patient Treatment

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year
    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys. Q) What is Ritalin?

    A) Ritalin (methylphenidate) is a central nervous system stimulant, similar to
    amphetamines in the nature and duration of its effects. It is believed that it
    works by activating the brain stem arousal system and cortex.
    Pharmacologically, it works on the neurotransmitter dopamine, and in that
    respect resembles the stimulant characteristics of cocaine. When taken in
    accordance with usual prescription instructions, it would be classified as
    having mild to moderate stimulant properties, but when snorted or injected it
    has a strong stimulant effect. Ritalin is manufactured by CIBA-Geigy
    Corporation, and is supplied in 5 mg., 10 mg., and 20 mg. tablets, and in a
    sustained release form, Ritalin SR as 20 mg. tablets. It is readily water
    soluble and is intended for oral use. It is a Schedule II Controlled Substance
    under both the federal and Indiana Controlled Substances Acts. Since Ritalin is
    a Schedule II Controlled Substance, the federal government strictly regulates
    the amount that may be manufactured, through a system of rigid manufacturing
    quotas.

    Q) How is Ritalin used?

    A) When abused, Ritalin tablets are taken orally, crushed and then snorted, or
    dissolved in water and "cooked" for intravenous injection.
    There are numerous reports in medical journals about permanent and irreversible
    lung tissue damage related to injection of crushed Ritalin tablets.

    In order to make the 5- to 20 mg. dose tablets large enough to handle easily,
    at least 100 mg. of "inert ingredients" are added to the tablets to increase
    their size. Depending upon size and formulation, the following inert
    ingredients are found in Ritalin tablets, according to the manufacturer:
    lactose, starch, polyethelene glycol, magnesium stearate, sucrose, talc,
    cellulose, mineral oil, and various dyes and conditioning agents. While these
    ingredients are "inert" when taken by mouth, they can cause serious problems
    when injected or snorted.

    Health Consequences of Intravenous and/or Injection Drug Use
    The hypodermic syringe was designed to deliver a concentrated dose of a drug
    quickly and efficiently. In doing so, it bypasses many of the body's natural
    defense mechanisms such as the skin, respiratory cilia, digestive acids, etc.
    The syringe allows anything in it (drugs, dust, bacteria, pollen, allergens,
    yeasts, viruses, fillers, etc.) to pass directly into the blood and body
    tissues. The rapid delivery of drugs via injection makes it difficult for the
    user to control the intensity of the drug effect, thus making toxic overdoses
    more likely.
    When drugs are prepared for injection by a street user, dust, dirt, and other
    contaminants fall into the liquid. Bacteria, talc, lint, and other particles
    are injected along with the drug. The "inert ingredients" that manufacturers
    include to increase the bulk may be harmless when taken by mouth, but talc,
    cellulose, mineral oil, and sugars (among other fillers) can create serious
    problems when injected directly into veins or body tissues. Complications from
    injection drug use include:
    drug overdoses and toxic overdose reactions
    blood clots from scar tissue, particles in the liquid, cotton and lint fibers,
    etc.
    infections ("blood poisoning," abscesses, hepatitis, AIDS, etc.)
    scars ("tracks" and adhesions)
    pulmonary problems ("addict's lung," embolisms, etc.)
    skin and circulatory problems

    Health consequences of Snorting Drugs (Intranasal Insufflation)
    The delicate epithelial tissues that line the nasal cavities and air passages
    may be damaged by direct contact with drugs. Ritalin tablets contain the
    hydrochloride salt of methylphenidate and yield dilute hydrochloric acid when
    they come into contact with moisture. While this is not a problem in the
    stomach (hydrochloric acid is one of the digestive acids used in the stomach),
    in the nasal passages the acid can "burn" the delicate nasal tissues, resulting
    in open sores, nose bleeds, and possibly in deterioration of the nasal
    cartilage. Q) What are the side effects of Ritalin?

    A) The side effects of Ritalin addiction include but are not limited to:

    drug addiction
    nervousness and insomnia
    loss of appetite
    nausea and vomiting
    dizziness
    headaches
    changes in heart rate and blood pressure (usually elevation of both, but
    occasionally depression)
    skin rashes and itching
    abdominal pain
    weight loss
    digestive problems
    toxic psychosis
    psychotic episodes
    severe depression upon withdrawal High doses of stimulants produce a
    predictable set of symptoms that include:

    loss of appetite (may cause serious malnutrition)
    tremors and muscle twitching
    fevers, convulsions, and headaches (may be severe)
    irregular heartbeat and respiration (may be profound and life threatening)
    anxiety, restlessness
    paranoia, hallucinations, and delusions
    excessive repetition of movements and meaningless tasks
    formicaton (sensation of bugs or worms crawling under the skin) While death due
    to non-medical use of Ritalin is not common, it has been known to occur.

    Q) What are the symptoms of Ritalin overdose?

    A) Symptoms of Ritalin overdose may include: Agitation, confusion, convulsions
    (may be followed by coma), delirium, dryness of mucous membranes, enlarging of
    the pupil of the eye, exaggerated feeling of elation, extremely elevated body
    temperature, flushing, hallucinations, headache, high blood pressure, irregular
    or rapid heartbeat, muscle twitching, sweating, tremors, vomiting.

    A growing number of youngsters taking the drug Ritalin® (methylphenidate)
    experience overdose, researchers report. The study looked at the frequency of
    Ritalin overdose cases reported to a regional poison control center in Detroit.
    Children ages 6 to 9 years were at the greatest risk of overdose, compared with
    other age groups. Over a two-year period, 289 cases were reported. Of these,
    31% developed symptoms. Most common adverse effects included tachycardia,
    agitation and lethargy. Most cases were due to parents or caregivers
    unintentionally giving patients excessive amounts of the drug.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: Robert McCarty [email hidden]
    Date: 9/18/2003 11:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Another way to hook kids BEFORE they reach puberty at age 12...this is
    Nucking
    Futz!!
    B-0b1

    You got that right!

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year
    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    A growing number of youngsters taking the drug Ritalin® (methylphenidate)
    experience overdose, researchers report. The study looked at the frequency of
    Ritalin overdose cases reported to a regional poison control center in Detroit.
    Children ages 6 to 9 years were at the greatest risk of overdose, compared with
    other age groups. Over a two-year period, 289 cases were reported. Of these,
    31% developed symptoms. Most common adverse effects included tachycardia,
    agitation and lethargy. Most cases were due to parents or caregivers
    unintentionally giving patients excessive amounts of the drug.

    Pitiful!

    Jan

  5. (Jan) said:

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year

    Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on Ritalin has
    increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that the amount
    of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ, for
    Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close to that
    many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many adults taking
    methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even more...out there.

    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency room
    visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Do you know where the article you quoted came from? I know Narconon[1] has used
    it, although I don't know whether they originated it. My hunch is, they did.

    But I am still curious about the statement you made about me earlier: that my
    child takes Ritalin.

    How many children do I have, Jan? How old are they? What other medications, if
    any, are they taking?

    And, most importantly, how did you come by that information?

    Joe Parsons

    followups set

    [1] Narconon answers to a certain net-UFO cult that seems to believe we are all
    descended from seafood

  6. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    followups set

    Explain please?????

    Its his troll tricks Jan..he alters the follow ups so you in your
    group wont even see your reply.. which he has redirected to asad only.
    this makes it appear as though you have conceded defeat and he has had
    the last word

    follow up reset

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: Joe Parsons [email hidden]
    Date: 9/19/2003 4:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the


    total

    Quoted message said:

    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per


    year

    Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on Ritalin has
    increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    NO. I posted where I got it. I have no idea who Theta is, nor do I send e-mails
    behind the scenes. My rule has always been that all discussion should appear
    right here.

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    Quoted message said:

    I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that the
    amount
    of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ, for
    Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close to
    that
    many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many


    adults taking

    Quoted message said:

    methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even more...out
    there.

    Well, read it for yourself, it came from the URL posted, Ritalin rehab center.
    I figure they know what they know, not what you find difficult to swallow.

    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest
    of

    Quoted message said:

    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.

    Quoted message said:

    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.


    Quoted message said:

    And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency room
    visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Now, now Joe, this is another stupid skeptic trick. We are talking about
    ibuprofen. This is another ploy used by debunkers, start comparing to make it
    look better. A mommy, mommy, he did it first tactic.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know where the article you quoted came from?

    YES. This shows you did NOT read it. The title of the thread was Ritalin
    Addicition. HOW did you miss that???

    Quoted message said:

    know Narconon[1] has used
    it, although I don't know whether they originated it. My hunch is, they did.

    You hunch is wrong. WHY is it you debunker organized medicine people want to
    blame EVERYTHING on to this group?!?!

    Quoted message said:

    But I am still curious about the statement you made about me earlier: that my
    child takes Ritalin.

    Quoted message said:


    How many children do I have, Jan? How old are they? What other medications,
    if
    any, are they taking?

    Quoted message said:

    And, most importantly, how did you come by that information?

    Joe Parsons

    Asnwered in another post. I thought this came from our discussion three years
    ago, like I said, I may have been mistaken.

    Now, a question for you. What led you to be so interested in Ritalin??

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    followups set

    Explain please?????

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: jake [email hidden]
    Date: 9/19/2003 8:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    followups set

    Explain please?????

    Its his troll tricks Jan..he alters the follow ups so you in your
    group wont even see your reply.. which he has redirected to asad only.
    this makes it appear as though you have conceded defeat and he has had
    the last word

    You have got to be kidding!!!!

    IS THIS DISHONEST OR WHAT?!?!

    No wonder there is so much going on over there. I took a look, and he sure has
    made a name for himself.

    That sounds like tricks Ahola Rich uses.

    Barf!

    Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: Joe Parsons [email hidden]
    Date: 9/19/2003 4:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 19 Sep 2003 19:16:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the
    total
    >number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per
    year

    Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on Ritalin


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    NO. I posted where I got it. I have no idea who Theta is, nor do I send


    e-mails

    Quoted message said:

    behind the scenes. My rule has always been that all discussion should appear
    right here.

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    Quoted message said:

    I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that the
    amount
    of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ, for
    Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close to
    that
    many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many


    adults taking

    Quoted message said:

    methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even more...out
    there.

    Well, read it for yourself, it came from the URL posted, Ritalin rehab


    center.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure they know what they know, not what you find difficult to swallow.

    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest
    of
    >the world combined.
    >Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin


    intoxication

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates
    escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    >80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    Quoted message said:

    And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency room
    visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Now, now Joe, this is another stupid skeptic trick. We are talking about
    ibuprofen. This is another ploy used by debunkers, start comparing to make


    it

    Quoted message said:

    look better. A mommy, mommy, he did it first tactic.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you know where the article you quoted came from?

    YES. This shows you did NOT read it. The title of the thread was Ritalin
    Addicition. HOW did you miss that???

    Quoted message said:

    know Narconon[1] has used
    it, although I don't know whether they originated it. My hunch is, they


    did.

    Quoted message said:


    You hunch is wrong. WHY is it you debunker organized medicine people want to
    blame EVERYTHING on to this group?!?!

    Quoted message said:

    But I am still curious about the statement you made about me earlier: that


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    child takes Ritalin.

    Quoted message said:


    How many children do I have, Jan? How old are they? What other


    medications,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    if
    any, are they taking?

    Quoted message said:

    And, most importantly, how did you come by that information?

    Joe Parsons

    Asnwered in another post. I thought this came from our discussion three


    years

    Quoted message said:

    ago, like I said, I may have been mistaken.

    Now, a question for you. What led you to be so interested in Ritalin??

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    followups set

    Explain please?????

  8. In said:
    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: Joe Parsons [email hidden]
    Date: 9/19/2003 4:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 19 Sep 2003 19:16:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    >In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the
    total
    >number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per
    year

    Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on Ritalin has
    increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    NO. I posted where I got it. I have no idea who Theta is, nor do I send e-mails
    behind the scenes. My rule has always been that all discussion should appear
    right here.

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    their statements are not supported by the evidence.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that the
    amount
    of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ, for
    Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close to
    that
    many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many


    adults taking

    Quoted message said:

    methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even more...out
    there.

    Well, read it for yourself, it came from the URL posted, Ritalin rehab center.

    it's a drug rehab center. One of the things they treat is Ritalin
    addiction.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure they know what they know, not what you find difficult to swallow.

    Their description of their treamtne protocals appear sound but the
    stats they provide don't match up, for example, with what DAWN cites.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest
    of
    >the world combined.
    >Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    >have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates
    escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    >80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    Quoted message said:

    And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency room
    visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Now, now Joe, this is another stupid skeptic trick. We are talking about
    ibuprofen. This is another ploy used by debunkers, start comparing to make it
    look better. A mommy, mommy, he did it first tactic.

    Have you looked at the DAWN site. The statistic you provided states
    that emergancy room visits for ritalin are equivalent to those for
    cocaine. DAWN, which tabulates those data, does not agree.

    Please note that Jan doesn't read ASAD.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
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    end

  9. Re-posted to ensure that Joe Parsons has a chance to respond.

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: jake [email hidden]
    Date: 9/19/2003 8:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    >followups set

    Explain please?????

    Its his troll tricks Jan..he alters the follow ups so you in your
    group wont even see your reply.. which he has redirected to asad only.
    this makes it appear as though you have conceded defeat and he has had
    the last word

    You have got to be kidding!!!!

    IS THIS DISHONEST OR WHAT?!?!

    No wonder there is so much going on over there. I took a look, and he sure has
    made a name for himself.

    That sounds like tricks Ahola Rich uses.

    Barf!

    Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    >From: Joe Parsons [email hidden]
    >Date: 9/19/2003 4:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >On 19 Sep 2003 19:16:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
    >
    >>In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the


    total

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per
    >year
    >
    >Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on Ritalin


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    NO. I posted where I got it. I have no idea who Theta is, nor do I send


    e-mails

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    behind the scenes. My rule has always been that all discussion should appear
    right here.

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    >I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that the
    >amount
    >of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ, for
    >Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close to
    >that
    >many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many


    adults taking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even more...out
    >there.

    Well, read it for yourself, it came from the URL posted, Ritalin rehab


    center.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I figure they know what they know, not what you find difficult to swallow.

    >America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest
    >of
    >>the world combined.
    >>Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin


    intoxication

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>80% of children on Ritalin are boys.
    >

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency room
    >visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Now, now Joe, this is another stupid skeptic trick. We are talking about
    ibuprofen. This is another ploy used by debunkers, start comparing to make


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    look better. A mommy, mommy, he did it first tactic.

    >Do you know where the article you quoted came from?

    YES. This shows you did NOT read it. The title of the thread was Ritalin
    Addicition. HOW did you miss that???

    > know Narconon[1] has used
    >it, although I don't know whether they originated it. My hunch is, they


    did.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You hunch is wrong. WHY is it you debunker organized medicine people want to
    blame EVERYTHING on to this group?!?!

    >But I am still curious about the statement you made about me earlier: that


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >child takes Ritalin.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >How many children do I have, Jan? How old are they? What other


    medications,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >if
    >any, are they taking?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >And, most importantly, how did you come by that information?
    >
    >Joe Parsons

    Asnwered in another post. I thought this came from our discussion three


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ago, like I said, I may have been mistaken.

    Now, a question for you. What led you to be so interested in Ritalin??

    Jan

    >followups set

    Explain please?????

  10. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:
    (Jan) said:

    >Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    >From: Joe Parsons [email hidden]
    >Date: 9/19/2003 4:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >On 19 Sep 2003 19:16:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
    >
    >>In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >total
    >>number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more


    per

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >year
    >
    >Who is "some," Jan? Who is claiming that "number of children on


    Ritalin has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >increased to 4 - 5 million?" Did you get that from "Theta?"

    NO. I posted where I got it. I have no idea who Theta is, nor do I send


    e-mails

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    behind the scenes. My rule has always been that all discussion should


    appear

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    right here.

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    their statements are not supported by the evidence.

    Quoted message said:


    >I find that claim more than a little difficult to swallow, given that


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >amount
    >of methylphenidate that can be produced in a year (it's called the APQ,


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Aggregate Production Quota) will not fill prescriptions for even close


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >that
    >many. And when you take into account the fact that there are many
    adults taking
    >methylphenidate, that "4 - 5 million children" figure is even


    more...out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >there.

    Well, read it for yourself, it came from the URL posted, Ritalin rehab


    center.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    it's a drug rehab center. One of the things they treat is Ritalin
    addiction.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure they know what they know, not what you find difficult to


    swallow.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Their description of their treamtne protocals appear sound but the
    stats they provide don't match up, for example, with what DAWN cites.

    Quoted message said:


    >America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the


    rest

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >of
    >>the world combined.
    >>Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin


    intoxication

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates
    >escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    >>80% of children on Ritalin are boys.
    >

    >And yet, strangely, DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) places emergency


    room

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >visits for ibuprofen far above those for methylphenidate.

    Now, now Joe, this is another stupid skeptic trick. We are talking about
    ibuprofen. This is another ploy used by debunkers, start comparing to


    make it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    look better. A mommy, mommy, he did it first tactic.

    Have you looked at the DAWN site. The statistic you provided states
    that emergancy room visits for ritalin are equivalent to those for
    cocaine. DAWN, which tabulates those data, does not agree.

    Please note that Jan doesn't read ASAD.

    Nor the articles she posts.

  11. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the total
    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per year
    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest of
    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates escalating
    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    So how many total children ages 10-14 were treated in ERs in the US
    for either Ritalin intoxication or cocaine in 1990?

    Was it 5? 10? A hundred? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

    I'm not saying that even a low number would be a good thing, but it
    would be informative to know just how serious the problem was 13 years
    ago.

    I'm guessing that you didn't bother to check to see if the claims that
    you posted, which are allegedly based on 1990 figures, are supported
    by more current information.

    The most recent information from DAWN doesn't support the claim that
    Ritalin abuse is escalating. Rather, it appears to be declining rather
    sharply:

    Here's the information I found the last time I checked with the U.S.
    Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN):

    - Methylphenidate isn't in the top 15 of the "Major substances of
    abuse";

    - Of the "Top 150 ED (Emergency Department) drug abuse episodes by
    frequency 2001", methylphenidate ranked 71st (0.11%); and

    - Methylphenidate results in well over a hundred thousand fewer ER
    visits than cocaine each year and--to add some
    perspective--tens-of-thousands fewer emergency room visits resulting
    from abuse than the common over-the-counter medication acetaminophen
    (Tylenol and the like).

    The DAWN statistics for the number of emergency room mentions for
    methylphenidate (Ritalin), cocaine, and acetaminophen (Tylenol and
    similar medications) are:

    1997
    Cocaine--161,087
    Acetaminophen--35,448
    Methylphenidate--2,474

    1998
    Cocaine--172,014
    Acetaminophen--32,257
    Methylphenidate--1,728

    1999
    Cocaine--168,763
    Acetaminophen--28,258
    Methylphenidate--1,478

    2000
    Cocaine--174,896
    Acetaminophen--33,613
    Methylphenidate--1,487

    2001
    Cocaine--193,034
    Acetaminophen--30,888
    Methylphenidate--1,279

    [Note the big drop in numbers of ER mentions for methylphenidate
    between 97 and 01. The number of cases has been cut almost in half.]

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: [email hidden] (OpusHugr)
    Date: 9/21/2003 12:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    In 1990, 900,000 American kids were on Ritalin. Today some estimate the


    total

    Quoted message said:

    number of children on Ritalin has increased to 4 - 5 million or more per


    year

    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating

    Quoted message said:

    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    So how many total children ages 10-14 were treated in ERs in the US
    for either Ritalin intoxication or cocaine in 1990?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating

    Quoted message said:

    abuse of this highly addictive drug.

    Quoted message said:

    Was it 5? 10? A hundred? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

    Quoted message said:

    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication

    Quoted message said:

    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating

    Quoted message said:

    abuse of this highly addictive drug.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not saying that even a low number would be a good thing, but it
    would be informative to know just how serious the problem was 13 years
    ago.

    Quoted message said:

    America now uses 90% of the world's Ritalin - more than five times the rest
    of

    Quoted message said:

    the world combined.
    Emergency room visits by children ages 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication
    have now reached the same level as those for cocaine which indicates


    escalating

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    abuse of this highly addictive drug.
    80% of children on Ritalin are boys.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm guessing that you didn't bother to check to see if the claims that
    you posted, which are allegedly based on 1990 figures, are supported
    by more current information.

    I had no reason to check. This is from a Ritalin Rehab Center.

    Quoted message said:

    The most recent information from DAWN doesn't support the claim that
    Ritalin abuse is escalating. Rather, it appears to be declining rather
    sharply:

    I don't know who DAWN is. At any rate the US has a huge problem.

    Starting with the docs handing it out like candy at the request of the parent,
    and giving it to three years old kids.

    Quoted message said:

    Methylphenidate isn't in the top 15 of the "Major substances of
    abuse";

    Oh well, then if it isn't at the top, it must be safe. I think not.

    Quoted message said:

    Of the "Top 150 ED (Emergency Department) drug abuse episodes by
    frequency 2001", methylphenidate ranked 71st (0.11%); and

    *Only* 71st huh?

    Quoted message said:

    Methylphenidate results in well over a hundred thousand fewer ER
    visits than cocaine each year

    Amazing. Comparing with cocaine.

    Ding, ding, ding.

    Quoted message said:

    and--to add some
    perspective--tens-of-thousands fewer emergency room visits resulting
    from abuse than the common over-the-counter medication acetaminophen


    (Tylenol and the like).

    That's not adding prespective, it is making an excuse. We aren't talking about
    Tylenol and the like.

    I find this childish, as an example, I used a child who was caught smoking. By
    your logic, he could say, well mom I was drinking and that is worse.

    Quoted message said:

    The DAWN statistics for the number of emergency room mentions for
    methylphenidate (Ritalin), cocaine, and acetaminophen (Tylenol and
    similar medications) are:

    Quoted message said:

    1997
    Cocaine--161,087
    Acetaminophen--35,448
    Methylphenidate--2,474

    Quoted message said:

    1998
    Cocaine--172,014
    Acetaminophen--32,257
    Methylphenidate--1,728

    Quoted message said:

    1999
    Cocaine--168,763
    Acetaminophen--28,258
    Methylphenidate--1,478

    Quoted message said:

    2000
    Cocaine--174,896
    Acetaminophen--33,613
    Methylphenidate--1,487

    Amazing the very same figure for two years.

    Quoted message said:

    2001
    Cocaine--193,034
    Acetaminophen--30,888
    Methylphenidate--1,279

    Quoted message said:

    [Note the big drop in numbers of ER mentions for methylphenidate
    between 97 and 01. The number of cases has been cut almost in half.]

    Are you trying to convince yourself of something?????

    Jan

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ritalin Addiction
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 9/21/2003 7:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I had no reason to check. This is from a Ritalin Rehab Center.

    ooh....so some eom selling their rehab services AND you trust their data??

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know who DAWN is.

    DAWN is not a person!!!! YIKES..

    Quoted message said:

    *Only* 71st huh?

    a/ER visits for "drug abuse" of Ritalin....
    b/71st means "far from that common"

    again you are unable to extrapolate

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Methylphenidate results in well over a hundred thousand fewer ER
    visits than cocaine each year

    Amazing. Comparing with cocaine.

    Ding, ding, ding.

    no no no...could have use ANY drug....fewer indicates LESS than..

    we have all agreed that you think all drugs should be banned...

    Quoted message said:

    That's not adding prespective, it is making an excuse. We aren't talking
    about
    Tylenol and the like.

    however...if you want choose a med that is far more dangerous....tylenol iss #1

    Quoted message said:

    Amazing the very same figure for two years.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    1999
    Cocaine--168,763
    Acetaminophen--28,258
    Methylphenidate--1,478

    Quoted message said:

    Cocaine--174,896

    Quoted message said:

    Acetaminophen--33,613
    Methylphenidate--1,487

    again...1478 andd 1487 are NOT the same numbers...yikes Janny

    Quoted message said:

    Are you trying to convince yourself of something?????

    Jan

    actually...as difficult as it seems to be....the data given above knocks your
    "theories" quite out of the water...

    hawki

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