rising blood pressure

I am Not a Doctor, but having had a recent scare with my BP
which the doctor measured in the 140/90 range I would say
yes. They put me on a BP med (Accupril) which it turns out I
did not need, and ramped off of, but that is another story.

From what I have read, normal BP used to be considered
130/80, but lower is better for your heart risk factors. I
bought myself a BP monitor and take mine in the morning,
about noon and then at night. Its highest in the morning. I
am sure the docs here will chime in.

You need to make sure you measure it more than once because
BP fluctuates a lot during the day and probably should be
averaged. If you go out and run a few miles or do some other
strenuous exercise your BP will go up, but it should return
to normal once your body comes back to its normal resting
state. This is why a doctor is supposed to take it more than
once before deciding to prescribe meds for it. Also make
sure you are measuring it properly.

Bottom line, is your should see your doctor and see if you
really have a problem.

"liaM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6m96m$s45$1@news-
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Recently I have been surprised by a unexpected rise in my
blood pressure which had stayed more or less constant for
a year at 80/135-150. Now I am seeing figures in the 90s,
and the systolic range widened to 135-188

Should I be concerned ??

liaM

liaM said:

Recently I have been surprised by a unexpected rise in my
blood pressure which had stayed more or less constant for
a year at 80/135-150. Now I am seeing figures in the 90s,
and the systolic range widened to 135-188

Should I be concerned ??

Your doctor(s) should be. Hypertension tends to worsen
(sometimes dramatically) with age and weight gain.

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Sorry but I meant to say normal was considered 120/80. 130
is considered borderline high now.

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Quoted message said:

I am Not a Doctor, but having had a recent scare with my
BP which the

doctor

Quoted message said:

measured in the 140/90 range I would say yes. They put me
on a BP med (Accupril) which it turns out I did not need,
and ramped off of, but that

is

Quoted message said:

another story.

From what I have read, normal BP used to be considered
130/80, but lower

is

Quoted message said:

better for your heart risk factors. I bought myself a BP
monitor and take mine in the morning, about noon and then
at night. Its highest in the morning. I am sure the docs
here will chime in.

You need to make sure you measure it more than once
because BP fluctuates

a

Quoted message said:

lot during the day and probably should be averaged. If you
go out and run

a

Quoted message said:

few miles or do some other strenuous exercise your BP will
go up, but it should return to normal once your body comes
back to its normal resting state. This is why a doctor is
supposed to take it more than once before deciding to
prescribe meds for it. Also make sure you are measuring it
properly.

Bottom line, is your should see your doctor and see if you
really have a problem.

"liaM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6m96m$s45$1@news-
reader4.wanadoo.fr...

Quoted message said:

Recently I have been surprised by a unexpected rise in
my blood pressure which had stayed more or less constant
for a year at 80/135-150. Now I am seeing figures in the
90s, and the systolic range widened to 135-188

Should I be concerned ??

liaM

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Quoted message said:

Recently I have been surprised by a unexpected rise in my
blood pressure which had stayed more or less constant for
a year at 80/135-150. Now I am seeing figures in the 90s,
and the systolic range widened to 135-188

Should I be concerned ?? liaM

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper posture when
taking your blood pressure is most important, and often
ignored by physicians. You should *NOT* be sitting up on an
examining table, with your legs dangling over the edge. You
must be sitting in a chair, with feet flat on the floor, and
arm on a desk or table at heart height. Sit there for five
minutes before your bp is taken. Take BP twice, two minutes
apart. Do not talk while it is being taken.

Let us know Liam.

Some information: nhlbi.nih.govDiseaOpen ↗
ses/Hbp/HBP_Diagnosis.html

Everything:
reutershealth.comdoc14.htmlOpen ↗

Zee

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Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper posture
when taking your blood pressure is most important, and
often ignored by physicians. You should *NOT* be sitting
up on an examining table, with your legs dangling over
the edge. You must be sitting in a chair, with feet flat
on the floor, and arm on a desk or table at heart height.
Sit there for five minutes before your bp is taken. Take
BP twice, two minutes apart. Do not talk while it is
being taken.

Good points liam. Until I got my own BP monitor and started
testing 3-5 times a day and doing some experiments with
different postures, arm positions, at rest, after exercise,
etc., I would not have believed it but its true. My doctor's
nurse took my BP once with me sitting with my legs dangling
off the examining table, my arm hanging straight down, and
immediately upon me entering the room. Then the doc proceded
to give me samples of 20 mg/day and 10 mg/dayof Accupril. I
started out taking the 10's and measuring my own BP.
Everything seemed normal (average below 120/80), so I cut my
10 mg/day in half (with a knife). That showed no increase in
BP above normal, so I cut it to 1/4 with still no rise above
normal in my average daily readings. After a week and half I
cut it out altogether, and still no rise in the average
above normal. My BP is generally just below
130/80 when I first get up and walk out to the kitchen where
I measure it. It will drop to 120/70 or below after
sitting in my chair a few minutes.

In the doctors defense, I had chest pains when I went in and
high blood lipids. I think getting my BP down immediately
was a wise move, even though a stress echo test later came
out "excellent" in the caridologists words. What disturbed
me a bit was after my stess echo proved "excellent" when I
told the GP that I had only been taking 1/2 to 1/4 of the BP
dose recommended, he proceeded to prescribe a 20 mg/day
dose. Perhaps he figured that I would cut it back being the
non obedient patient that I am lol.

It probably didn't hurt any that I have lost 17 pounds and
falling through diet and more exercise, thanks in part to Dr
Chung's 2PD. I started having knee pains after being on the
Accupril for a few weeks, but it could be unrelated, since I
was running more. I am now having to walk 5 miles each day,
instead of running while the knee heals. Since exercise is
an integral part of my plan and something I enjoy, I am
especially adverse to anything that makes my joints or
muscles hurt. I am down to 168 from 185 and am 5'8" tall.

It's important in my opinion to use some common sense and
to ask a lot questions when prescribing or taking
powerful meds.

Regards,

Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper posture
when taking your blood pressure is most important, and
often ignored by physicians. You should *NOT* be sitting
up on an examining table, with your legs dangling over
the edge. You must be sitting in a chair, with feet flat
on the floor, and arm on a desk or table at heart height.
Sit there for five minutes before your bp is taken. Take
BP twice, two minutes apart. Do not talk while it is
being taken.

As a follow up, I was watching Nova's Frontline with Alan
Alda on PBS last night. It was about stress and heart and
artery healt. Stress and high fat diets contributes a lot to
such problems even in the animal studies they were doing on
monkeys. What amazed me was the test they showed on people
who they asked to remember angry memories while they
monitored their BP. One man got his all the way up to 180
while remembering a particular indident that made him angry.
On others they tested while teaching relaxation techniques.
The differences were quite dramatic. I am going to do some
of my own experments with my monitor. Its actually quite an
amusing toy for the whole family once you get one.

Regards,

smyrna45 said:

Quoted message said:

liaM <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper posture
when taking your blood pressure is most important, and
often ignored by physicians. You should *NOT* be sitting
up on an examining table, with your legs dangling over
the edge. You must be sitting in a chair, with feet flat
on the floor, and arm on a desk or table at heart
height. Sit there for five minutes before your bp is
taken. Take BP twice, two minutes apart. Do not talk
while it is being taken.

Good points liam. Until I got my own BP monitor and
started testing 3-5 times a day and doing some experiments
with different postures, arm positions, at rest, after
exercise, etc., I would not have believed it but its true.
My doctor's nurse took my BP once with me sitting with my
legs dangling off the examining table, my arm hanging
straight down, and immediately upon me entering the room.
Then the doc proceded to give me samples of 20 mg/day and
10 mg/dayof Accupril. I started out taking the 10's and
measuring my own BP. Everything seemed normal (average
below 120/80), so I cut my 10 mg/day in half (with a
knife). That showed no increase in BP above normal, so I
cut it to 1/4 with still no rise above normal in my
average daily readings. After a week and half I cut it out
altogether, and still no rise in the average above normal.
My BP is generally just below
130/80 when I first get up and walk out to the kitchen
where I measure it. It will drop to 120/70 or below
after sitting in my chair a few minutes.

In the doctors defense, I had chest pains when I went in
and high blood lipids. I think getting my BP down
immediately was a wise move, even though a stress echo
test later came out "excellent" in the caridologists
words. What disturbed me a bit was after my stess echo
proved "excellent" when I told the GP that I had only
been taking 1/2 to 1/4 of the BP dose recommended, he
proceeded to prescribe a 20 mg/day dose. Perhaps he
figured that I would cut it back being the non obedient
patient that I am lol.

It probably didn't hurt any that I have lost 17 pounds and
falling through diet and more exercise, thanks in part to
Dr Chung's 2PD.

Shhhhhh, you risk being called a sock puppet when you write
that the 2PD approach works for you :-)

Quoted message said:

I started having knee pains after being on the Accupril
for a few weeks, but it could be unrelated, since I was
running more. I am now having to walk 5 miles each day,
instead of running while the knee heals.

Imho, brisk walking is better than running because of
less injuries.

Quoted message said:

Since exercise is an integral part of my plan and
something I enjoy, I am especially adverse to anything
that makes my joints or muscles hurt. I am down to 168
from 185 and am 5'8" tall.

Good for you :-)

Quoted message said:

It's important in my opinion to use some common sense and
to ask a lot questions when prescribing or taking
powerful meds.

The same applies to dieting :-)

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liaM <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Recently I have been surprised by a unexpected rise in my
: blood pressure which had stayed more or less constant for
: a year at 80/135-150. Now I am seeing figures in the 90s,
: and the systolic range widened to 135-188

I am in my 4th (and last) year of Nursing school in Canada.
We are taught that the new guidelines for HTN have dropped
from 140/90 to 130/80-ish.

Key points from the new guidelines:

If you have a blood pressure of 120 to 139 systolic (the
upper number in a blood pressure measurement) over 80 to 89
diastolic (lower number), you are considered
prehypertensive. You need to begin lifestyle modifications
to prevent stroke and heart disease. Lifestyle modifications
include losing excess weight, exercising, limiting alcohol,
following a heart-healthy diet, cutting back on salt, and
quitting smoking.

The increase in stroke and heart disease risk begins at
blood pressures as low as 115/75 mmHg and doubles with each
increase of 20 mmHg systolic blood pressure and 10 mmHg
diastolic. For example, if your blood pressure were to
increase from 115/75 mmHg to 135/85 mmHg, your risk of
stroke and heart attack would double.

The lifetime risk for high blood pressure is much greater
than previously thought. Ninety percent of those who, at age
55, do not have hypertension will eventually develop it.

If you are older than 50, a systolic blood pressure over 140
mmHg is a more important risk factor for stroke and heart
disease than your diastolic blood pressure.

Emma

Reference:

Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection,
Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure (2003). The
seventh report of the Joint National Committee on
Prevention, Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High
Blood Pressure. Bethesda, MD: U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services.

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If you are older than 50, a systolic blood pressure over
140 mmHg is a more important risk factor for stroke and
heart disease than your diastolic blood pressure.

Emma

Thank you for detailing the new guidelines and for this last
piece of information which heartens me greatly (since my
diastolic has greater creep than my systolic !)

liaM

Dear Zee..

I did what you suggested and got more predictable figures
tho' still high as to my averages from a year ago.

Unfortunately I have put on weight which may have had some
effect on my BP. I wish I could keep on sweeping my
frailties under the rug.. how convenient that would be ! It
looks like I will have to do a major house cleaning..

liaM said:

Dear Zee..

I did what you suggested and got more predictable figures
tho' still high as to my averages from a year ago.

Unfortunately I have put on weight which may have had some
effect on my BP.

It would.

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I wish I could keep on sweeping my frailties under the
rug.. how convenient that would be ! It looks like I will
have to do a major house cleaning..

I believe you know what is required to lose weight.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper posture
when taking your blood pressure is most important, and
often ignored by physicians. You should *NOT* be sitting
up on an examining table, with your legs dangling over
the edge. You must be sitting in a chair, with feet flat
on the floor, and arm on a desk or table at heart
height. Sit there for five minutes before your bp is
taken. Take BP twice, two minutes apart. Do not talk
while it is being taken.

As a follow up, I was watching Nova's Frontline with Alan
Alda on PBS last night. It was about stress and heart and
artery healt. Stress and high fat diets contributes a lot
to such problems even in the animal studies they were
doing on monkeys. What amazed me was the test they showed
on people who they asked to remember angry memories while
they monitored their BP. One man got his all the way up to
180 while remembering a particular indident that made him
angry. On others they tested while teaching relaxation
techniques. The differences were quite dramatic. I am
going to do some of my own experments with my monitor. Its
actually quite an amusing toy for the whole family once
you get one.

Regards,

Hello Smyrna45

My most memorable series of blood pressure readings, very
worrisome to me *and* my physician, were 149/?? to
155/something else high. This was last spring. Unusual for
me with a normal of 112-63 to 120/68. Why was my blood
pressure suddenly sky-rocketing? To make a long story short,
I had subsituted black German licorice for my usual daily
sweets. Low fat, right? After all with a cholesterol level
of 400-500
(9.7-13/14) I had to cut out fats. Licorice to the rescue.
Sweet, but not fat. Very low calorie too.

I was eating a *lot* of black licorice. Not the American
kind, but the European kind which has real oil of
licorice. While searching a nutrional site for something
else, I came up on the information that black licorice in
quantity could raise blood pressure. Anyway, I stopped
this silly substitution (back to chocolate) and next
readings were normal.

However, just last week had a high reading taken with the
wrong posture, feet dangling for over 20 minutes wait, a
rushed doctor, a cuff not on properly. Went back twice
since, including today, and the nurse did it according to
the post I made, and it is again to my normal.

Take home news: don't eat 100-200 grams black licorice
several times a week. Ok every day.

Get the nurse to do your BP reading.

I do however respectfully disagree with Emma about the new
blood pressure guidelines. So does Malcolm Kendrick MD at
www.redflagsweekly.com, and Uffe Ravnskov MD, PhD at
(google it). So apparently does my doctor, who was trained
in South Africa.

These guidelines make patients of us all. Shades of statins!

Zee

I am thinking I may have to cut back below 2 pounds, since
my weight seems to have stabilized to some degree on 2
pounds. I can't really walk more than the 4-5 miles I do a
day now, but have started supplementing it with a bike ride
in the mornings. I typically eat 4-6ounces of oatmeal, skim
milk, and small amount of fruit for breakfast. Surprisingly
its more than enough to satisfy me. For lunch I generally
have a sandwich with some lettuce, tomato, some turkey or
tuna, and no mayo. That usually weighs in at 6-8 ounces.
That leaves more than a pound for dinner, but that is just
too much for someone like me to eat. I eat the same
balanced diet I was on before (I cook most of my own and my
wife's food since I am semi-retired) but I am just eating
less of it now.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote
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smyrna45 said:

Quoted message said:

liaM <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper
posture when taking your blood pressure is most
important, and often ignored by physicians. You should
*NOT* be sitting up on an examining table, with your
legs dangling over the edge. You must be sitting in a
chair, with feet flat on the floor, and arm on a desk
or table at heart height. Sit there for five minutes
before your bp is taken. Take BP twice, two minutes
apart. Do not talk while it is being taken.

Good points liam. Until I got my own BP monitor and
started testing 3-5 times a day and doing some
experiments with different postures, arm positions, at
rest, after exercise, etc., I would not have believed it

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

its true. My doctor's nurse took my BP once with me
sitting with my legs dangling off the examining table,
my arm hanging straight down, and immediately upon me
entering the room. Then the doc proceded to give me
samples of 20 mg/day and 10 mg/dayof Accupril. I started
out taking the

10's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and measuring my own BP. Everything seemed normal
(average below

120/80), so

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I cut my 10 mg/day in half (with a knife). That showed
no increase in BP above normal, so I cut it to 1/4 with
still no rise above normal in my average daily readings.
After a week and half I cut it out altogether,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

still no rise in the average above normal. My BP is
generally just below
130/80 when I first get up and walk out to the kitchen
where I measure

it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It will drop to 120/70 or below after sitting in my
chair a few minutes.

In the doctors defense, I had chest pains when I went in
and high blood lipids. I think getting my BP down
immediately was a wise move, even

though

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a stress echo test later came out "excellent" in the
caridologists

words.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What disturbed me a bit was after my stess echo proved
"excellent" when

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

told the GP that I had only been taking 1/2 to 1/4 of
the BP dose recommended, he proceeded to prescribe a 20
mg/day dose. Perhaps he

figured

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that I would cut it back being the non obedient patient
that I am lol.

It probably didn't hurt any that I have lost 17 pounds
and falling

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

diet and more exercise, thanks in part to Dr
Chung's 2PD.

Shhhhhh, you risk being called a sock puppet when you
write that the 2PD approach works for you :-)

Quoted message said:

I started having knee pains after being on the Accupril
for a few weeks, but it could be unrelated, since I was
running more. I am now having to walk 5 miles

each

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

day, instead of running while the knee heals.

Imho, brisk walking is better than running because of less
injuries.

Quoted message said:

Since exercise is an integral part of my plan and
something I enjoy, I am especially adverse to

anything

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that makes my joints or muscles hurt. I am down to 168
from 185 and am

5'8"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tall.

Good for you :-)

Quoted message said:

It's important in my opinion to use some common sense
and to ask a lot questions when prescribing or taking
powerful meds.

The same applies to dieting :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Emma Chase VanCott <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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Ninety percent of those who, at age 55, do not have
hypertension will eventually develop it.

This is true in the US perhaps but not in some other
countries.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

[email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in part:

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These guidelines make patients of us all.

Only in parts of the world...
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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"smyrna45" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Perhaps your newer reading is incorrect? Proper
posture when taking your blood pressure is most
important, and often ignored by physicians. You should
*NOT* be sitting up on an examining table, with your
legs dangling over the edge. You must be sitting in a
chair, with feet flat on the floor, and arm on a desk
or table at heart height. Sit there for five minutes
before your bp is taken. Take BP twice, two minutes
apart. Do not talk while it is being taken.

As a follow up, I was watching Nova's Frontline with
Alan Alda on PBS last night. It was about stress and
heart and artery healt. Stress and high fat diets
contributes a lot to such problems even in the animal
studies they were doing on monkeys. What amazed me was
the test they showed on people who they asked to
remember angry memories while they monitored their BP.
One man got his all the way up to 180 while remembering
a particular indident that made him angry. On others
they tested while teaching relaxation techniques. The
differences were quite dramatic. I am going to do some
of my own experments with my monitor. Its actually quite
an amusing toy for the whole family once you get one.

Regards,

Hello Smyrna45

My most memorable series of blood pressure readings, very
worrisome to me *and* my physician, were 149/?? to
155/something else high. This was last spring. Unusual for
me with a normal of 112-63 to 120/68. Why was my blood
pressure suddenly sky-rocketing? To make a long story
short, I had subsituted black German licorice for my usual
daily sweets. Low fat, right? After all with a cholesterol
level of 400-500
(9.7-13/14) I had to cut out fats. Licorice to the rescue.
Sweet, but not fat. Very low calorie too.

I was eating a *lot* of black licorice. Not the American
kind, but the European kind which has real oil of
licorice. While searching a nutrional site for something
else, I came up on the information that black licorice in
quantity could raise blood pressure. Anyway, I stopped
this silly substitution (back to chocolate) and next
readings were normal.

However, just last week had a high reading taken with the
wrong posture, feet dangling for over 20 minutes wait, a
rushed doctor, a cuff not on properly. Went back twice
since, including today, and the nurse did it according to
the post I made, and it is again to my normal.

Take home news: don't eat 100-200 grams black licorice
several times a week. Ok every day.

Get the nurse to do your BP reading.

I do however respectfully disagree with Emma about the new
blood pressure guidelines. So does Malcolm Kendrick MD at
www.redflagsweekly.com, and Uffe Ravnskov MD, PhD at
(google it). So apparently does my doctor, who was trained
in South Africa.

These guidelines make patients of us all. Shades of
statins!

Zee

Your licorice story is more interesting.

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smyrna45 said:

I am thinking I may have to cut back below 2 pounds,
since my weight seems to have stabilized to some degree
on 2 pounds.

With the 2PD approach, the goal is to limit your intake to
*less* than 2 pounds per day.

Quoted message said:

I can't really walk more than the 4-5 miles I do a day
now, but have started supplementing it with a bike ride in
the mornings.

Exercise is the most effective in weight loss when performed
just before the biggest meal of the day.

Quoted message said:

I typically eat 4-6ounces of oatmeal, skim milk, and small
amount of fruit for breakfast. Surprisingly its more than
enough to satisfy me.

If you eat a bit less than that, you might be a little
bit hungrier.

However, it is more than OK to be a little hungrier.

Fact: Hunger has not ever killed anyone. People die from
starvation and not hunger. Moreover, folks dying from
starvation are *not* hungry.

Quoted message said:

For lunch I generally have a sandwich with some lettuce,
tomato, some turkey or tuna, and no mayo. That usually
weighs in at 6-8 ounces. That

Don't forget to count what you are drinking too.

Quoted message said:

leaves more than a pound for dinner, but that is just too
much for someone like me to eat.

A pound is too much for me too (it didn't used to be :-).

Quoted message said:

I eat the same balanced diet I was on before (I cook most
of my own and my wife's food since I am semi-retired) but
I am just eating less of it now.

Excellent :-)

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

smyrna45 said:

I am thinking I may have to cut back below 2 pounds,
since my weight seems to have stabilized to some degree
on 2 pounds.

With the 2PD approach, the goal is to limit your intake to
*less* than 2 pounds per day.

Don't forget to count what you are drinking too.

Quoted message said:

Andrew

Andrew

Are you saying people on the 2 Lb Diet must include their
WATER in the 2 Lb Diet calculation?

I hope I have read incorrectly or misunderstood what you
have said. Eight glasses of water which is suggested by
health professionals as needed for healthy hydration (some
include plain tea or coffee) will weigh 64 ounces, or
*four* pounds.

This is *very* important. As you know, I do not follow
this diet, but think it important that you clarify for
those who do.

Please. Clarify. Does water count in the 2 LB total?

Zee

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

smyrna45 said:

I am thinking I may have to cut back below 2 pounds,
since my weight seems to have stabilized to some degree
on 2 pounds.

With the 2PD approach, the goal is to limit your intake to
*less* than 2 pounds per day.

Don't forget to count what you are drinking too.

Quoted message said:

Andrew

Andrew

Are you saying people on the 2 Lb Diet must include their
WATER in the 2 Lb Diet calculation?

I hope I have read incorrectly or misunderstood what you
have said. Eight glasses of water which is suggested by
health professionals as needed for healthy hydration (some
include plain tea or coffee) will weigh 64 ounces, or
*four* pounds.

This is *very* important. As you know, I do not follow
this diet, but think it important that you clarify for
those who do.

Please. Clarify. Does water count in the 2 LB total?

Zee