Riis: Tyler can't win.

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Bijarne Riis said he doesn't think Tyler can win the TDF. "He can't keep the bike upright. At every
corner we expected to see Tyler hanging in a tree, it was terrifying."

Considering he had a broken collarbone, he did pretty good at keeping the bike upright... and
considering he wasn't the cause of the crash where said collarbone was broken... I think he did a
marvellous job at keeping the bike upright! Sounds a wee bit like sour grapes that Tyler has
switched teams

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He does have a point. Every tour he could have one have been taken away from him by a crash whether
he caused it or not. Eric

Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals was luck? The same can be said for
the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong nor (IIRC) Big Mig had their tours interrupted with injuries
like Eddie and Bernard. I've heard a lot of pros quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky as he is
good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

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He does have a point. Every tour he could have one have been taken away from him by a crash
whether he caused it or not. Eric

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Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals was luck? The same can be said
for the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong nor (IIRC) Big Mig had their tours interrupted with
injuries like Eddie and Bernard. I've heard a lot of pros quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky
as he is good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Half of the "luck" you speak of when it comes to crashing (the other half being your responsibility
to keep your rubber end down) is knowing where to ride in a pack in a given situation. You need to
know who's wheel to follow, how close to follow, and most importantly, who's wheel *not* to follow.
Some p33ps would say LA and MI were lucky riders. Others would say they were cagey and clever
riders. Sometimes we make our own "luck".

- Boyd S.

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Bijarne Riis said he doesn't think Tyler can win the TDF. "He can't keep the bike upright. At
every corner we expected to see Tyler hanging in a tree, it was terrifying."

Troll Dave

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Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals was luck? The same can be said
for the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong nor

(IIRC)

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Big Mig had their tours interrupted with injuries like Eddie and Bernard. I've heard a lot of pros
quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky as he is good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Armstrong is most definitely lucky; you don't survive, much less win 5 TDFs in a row with a run of
bad luck. However, he also has something else going for him... confidence. As he rode through that
field (after Beloki crashed) he probably wasn't thinking about anything other than getting back into
the race. He wasn't going to stop, but rather just continued riding forward, knowing he was going in
the right direction and he had momentum. Why stop?

To some extent it requires a suspension of disbelief. I experienced this myself five years ago, when
I decided to try my hand at racing again after an absence of 25 years. At first it seemed a bit
scary; I hadn't ridden in such close proximity to others in quite some time, and my cornering was
initially a bit scary. Then I realized hey, if that guy can take that line (and not crash), so can
I. Once confidence returned, no problem, I could do anything I wanted. It was as if the rider-bike
combo had magically transformed into something capable of extraordinary things, well beyond the way
I'd normally ride.

Armstrong believes that he is in control of his own destiny. I think that makes a difference. I
don't know what Tyler thinks, I just know that everybody who's met him thinks he's one heck of a
great guy, and from watching him, know that he's got one heck of a huge heart (not just physically,
but mentally).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

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Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals was luck? The same can be said
for the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong nor

(IIRC)

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Big Mig had their tours interrupted with injuries like Eddie and Bernard. I've heard a lot of pros
quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky as he is good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

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He does have a point. Every tour he could have one have been taken away from him by a crash
whether he caused it or not. Eric

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Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Year after year, Tyler consistently crashes more than other riders of his caliber. That's not luck,
that's lack of something.

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Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Year after year, Tyler consistently crashes more than other riders of his caliber. That's not
luck, that's lack of something.

You know, I read three separate diary entries from Tyler this past season where he crashed while moto-
pacing. Sounds like me might not learn from past mistakes.

KP

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Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Year after year, Tyler consistently crashes more than other riders of his caliber. That's not
luck, that's lack of something.

Dumbass -

You are correct.

Imagine what would have happened to Tyler if he would have been in LANCE's position when Beloki
went down.

Perhaps, Dave, but sources close to Tyler say he's a terrible bike handler and his track record
doesn't seem to refute it. However, as bad as he might be, the guys done more than most ever will in
this sport. That's pretty amazing!

CH

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Bijarne Riis said he doesn't think Tyler can win the TDF. "He can't keep the bike upright. At
every corner we expected to see Tyler hanging in a tree, it was terrifying."

Troll Dave

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Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals

was luck?

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The same can be said for the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong

nor (IIRC)

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Big Mig had their tours interrupted with injuries like Eddie and

Bernard.

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I've heard a lot of pros quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky as

he is

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good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

Half of the "luck" you speak of when it comes to crashing (the other

half

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being your responsibility to keep your rubber end down) is knowing

where to

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ride in a pack in a given situation. You need to know who's wheel to

follow,

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how close to follow, and most importantly, who's wheel *not* to

follow. Some

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p33ps would say LA and MI were lucky riders. Others would say they

were

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cagey and clever riders. Sometimes we make our own "luck".

You don't seem to understand that the reason that Lance and Miguel were "lucky" was because they
were born strong already and training didn't make them a whole lot better. That allowed them to
always ride near the front. Up there you don't often get knocked down.

Tyler was a rider born weak and he has built himself up to that level. He's always ridden in the
pack and is used to riding back there. In the pack you stand a much greater chance of being knocked
down especially when the pack is nervous like near the end of a race when the sprinters teams are
moving all around and if you miss your leadout you may lose your contract.

Tyler has to learn to ride on the front, but Riis is sprouting a large infestation of very
sour grapes.

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Perhaps, Dave, but sources close to Tyler say he's a terrible bike handler and his track record
doesn't seem to refute it. However, as bad as he might be, the guys done more than most ever will
in this sport. That's pretty amazing!

I understand that, but the original poster didn't site an article where that was actually quoted by
Riis, I think Riis has plenty of respect for Tyler

Dave

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Big snip

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Tyler was a rider born weak and he has built himself up to that level.

Oh that I were born with that same weakness!

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Bijarne Riis said he doesn't think Tyler can win the TDF. "He can't keep the bike upright. At
every corner we expected to see Tyler hanging in a tree, it was terrifying."

You are so full of [censored] ! If you dumped that weight you would not have needed to beg mama
for that C50.

When you grow up I'm certain you will have a career with some type of gossip magazine. You have a
sort of flair for making up 'news' stories.

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I understand that, but the original poster didn't site an article where

that was actually quoted by

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Riis, I think Riis has plenty of respect for Tyler

I'm with Dave - bogus quote unless proven otherwise . . .

Nonsense - you make your own luck

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Wasn't it Napoleon who said the skill he most prized in generals was luck? The same can be said
for the peloton I guess. Neither Armstrong nor

(IIRC)

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Big Mig had their tours interrupted with injuries like Eddie and Bernard. I've heard a lot of pros
quoted as saying Armstrong is as lucky as he is good. Tyler is as unlucky as he is good.

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He does have a point. Every tour he could have one have been taken away from him by a crash
whether he caused it or not. Eric

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Nonsense - you make your own luck

Does that mean that you can see and miss all the little pieces of glass that are all over the road?

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Nonsense - you make your own luck

Does that mean that you can see and miss all the little pieces of glass that are all over
the road?

Well, yes.

I have been known to choose to ride through glass when I have decided I didn't have a useful exit,
but glass is one of the easiest road hazards to spot.

As for missing them, to an extent it's a matter of what risks you're willing to take.

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