Riis says Ulrich can still join team!

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There really is no substitute for talent at the very top level is there?

Imagine where J. Ullrich and F. Vandenbroucke would be if they had average talent. Driving a
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There really is no substitute for talent at the very top level is there?

Imagine where J. Ullrich and F. Vandenbroucke would be if they had average talent. Driving a
tractor? Washing cars?

wasting their time on RBR?

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The Ullrich affair isn't over yet: with Coast being censured by the UCI for its financial problems,
CSC would be ready to enter into new talks with the former tour winner.

CSC's Directeur Sportif, Bjarne Riis, said in an interview with the Danish newspaper BT that he
would still be interested in Ullrich and would be willing to welcome back into his old team if Coast
can't find a way out of its financial problems.

Mike Yankee

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There really is no substitute for talent at the very top level is there?

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Maybe in the case of VdB. Ullrich doesn't like bike racing enough to read rbr.

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I've lurked RBR for a long time and that's about as low as it gets.

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Brown, Gov Dean, John Edwards?

Ambulance Chaser like John Edwards?

North Korea Appeaser like Clinton?

Speaking of North Korea appeasing - Clinton had a deal negotiated with NK where they would shut down
the plutonium processing reactor and we would ship them heavy fuel oil.

W. Bush stopped the shipments some months ago. No problem with that except that he can't do
anything about NK starting up the plutonium processing again because the military is tied up in
The Middle East.

So North Korea is making plutonium and we can't do anything. Nice job W. Whoever was advising him on
that move should be axed. Stopping the shipments and playing hardball with NK should have waited
until we had something to pl ay with (war in Iraq being over).

So let me get this straight... Caving in to blackmail from North Korea is a good thing? Your totally
wrong the assumption that "we" can't do anything about North Korea's plutonium. We just moved some
long range bombers into the area. You have to realize that Bush isn't that concerned with North
Korea at this time. They've told us what they have and that they have restarted thier nuclear
program. It's countries like Iraq that hide their missles and stockpiles of chemical weapons that W
has a problem with. Anyway, the U.S. could take out NK in about 1 day. WE don't need to do that
though because China can take out NK in 1 day too. NK is more of a threat to China than to the U.S.
Unlike Clinton, Bush will tell NK to stop the nuc program. If they want economic aid, they can start
dismantling their totalitarian regime.

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Speaking of North Korea appeasing - Clinton had a deal negotiated with NK where they would shut
down the plutonium processing reactor and we would ship them heavy fuel oil.

W. Bush stopped the shipments some months ago. No problem with that except that he can't do
anything about NK starting up the plutonium processing again because the military is tied up in
The Middle East.

So North Korea is making plutonium and we can't do anything. Nice job W. Whoever was advising him
on that move should be axed. Stopping the shipments and playing hardball with NK should have
waited until we had something to pl ay with (war in Iraq being over).

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So let me get this straight... Caving in to blackmail from North Korea is a good thing? Your
totally wrong the assumption that "we" can't do anything about North Korea's plutonium. We just
moved some long range bombers into the area. You have to realize that Bush isn't that concerned
with North Korea at this time. They've told us what they have and that they have restarted thier
nuclear program. It's countries like Iraq that hide their missles and stockpiles of chemical
weapons that W has a problem with. Anyway, the U.S. could take out NK in about 1 day. WE don't need
to do that though because China can take out NK in 1 day too. NK is more of a threat to China than
to the U.S. Unlike Clinton, Bush will tell NK to stop the nuc program. If they want economic aid,
they can start dismantling their totalitarian regime.

< not really a direct response to jay's post above, it triggered my thoughts on the whole
ra-ra-go-USA-blow'em-up mentality >

ah yes. The good ole USA. The world's biggest neighborhood bully. We have more weapons and firepower
than 80% of the nations combined......

...so anytime someone else would like to acquire equal military fire power, or at least have SOME
weapons in their arsenal to make it a fair fight, it's our job to crush and stop them immediately,
right? after all, we are the defenders of freedom, and only use military force when we have
exhausted all other peaceful means first, right?

We're like the 16 year old high school dropout bully and 5 of his pals, all with handguns and
knives, who pick a fight with a lone 5th grader holding a stick in his hand. anyone ever think that
maybe the 5th grader would like to have a weapon to defend himself?

let me pose this hypothetical question:

If Iraq and NK had the same military firepower as USA currently has, with the possibility to kill
american civilians here in this country while they "smart bomb" us, do you think our current
military buildup for a war in other regions of the world would be a good idea?

probably not, right? diplomacy would be a MUCH smarter choice, in that case, right?

so why not use that same policy of diplomacy, right now? or does our foreign policy change depending
on how easy it is to kick a country's ass? i.e. how helpless they are.

gopher <-- slipping into his flameproof red, white & blue lycra skinsuit to blend in with all the
ra-ra patriots.

BTW, for the price of just one AGM-130 (a so-called "smart" bomb that costs about half a million
dollars ) we could hire and pay almost 13 elementary school teacher's salaries for an entire year.

Anybody heard any word about Green Mtn Stage Race? Is it a go?

Thanks, Ronde Chimp

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So let me get this straight... Caving in to blackmail from North Korea is a good thing?

No, W. Bush should have waited until after he was finished w/ Iraq.

By the time we are done there, N. Korea may have a plutonium bomb (megaton range).

Stupid.

So, you're saying NK will have a megaton bomb in four days? Patience man, patience... You will
find that things will progress rapidly... Stick to bike racing and let the professionals worry
about international affairs. You wouldn't be free to state your opinion in Iraq. Plus, if you were
a member of the Iraqi Olympic bike team and you didn't win a medal, Uday might have a few things
for you...

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So let me get this straight... Caving in to blackmail from North Korea is a good thing?

No, W. Bush should have waited until after he was finished w/ Iraq.

By the time we are done there, N. Korea may have a plutonium bomb (megaton range).

Stupid.

Oh, you have such a grandiose view of how the World should work don't you. Well, the World is a
dangerous place my friend. W's job is to protect the U.S. There is only a rah rah USA mentality in
your mind. No one wants to go to war. We're talking about the security of the USA. Everything
changed after 9/11. Do you want your kids to live in a World of constant threat levels? Orange one
day, yellow the next? The fact is, W is talking about rougue nations like Iraq, North Korea and
Iran. Intersting how Iran is fast approaching nuke bomb capability. Keep living in your little
dreamland...

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(Jay Tegeder) said:

So let me get this straight... Caving in to blackmail from North Korea is a good thing? Your
totally wrong the assumption that "we" can't do anything about North Korea's plutonium. We just
moved some long range bombers into the area. You have to realize that Bush isn't that concerned
with North Korea at this time. They've told us what they have and that they have restarted thier
nuclear program. It's countries like Iraq that hide their missles and stockpiles of chemical
weapons that W has a problem with. Anyway, the U.S. could take out NK in about 1 day. WE don't
need to do that though because China can take out NK in 1 day too. NK is more of a threat to
China than to the U.S. Unlike Clinton, Bush will tell NK to stop the nuc program. If they want
economic aid, they can start dismantling their totalitarian regime.

< not really a direct response to jay's post above, it triggered my thoughts on the whole
ra-ra-go-USA-blow'em-up mentality >

ah yes. The good ole USA. The world's biggest neighborhood bully. We have more weapons and
firepower than 80% of the nations combined......

...so anytime someone else would like to acquire equal military fire power, or at least have SOME
weapons in their arsenal to make it a fair fight, it's our job to crush and stop them immediately,
right? after all, we are the defenders of freedom, and only use military force when we have
exhausted all other peaceful means first, right?

We're like the 16 year old high school dropout bully and 5 of his pals, all with handguns and
knives, who pick a fight with a lone 5th grader holding a stick in his hand. anyone ever think
that maybe the 5th grader would like to have a weapon to defend himself?

let me pose this hypothetical question:

If Iraq and NK had the same military firepower as USA currently has, with the possibility to kill
american civilians here in this country while they "smart bomb" us, do you think our current
military buildup for a war in other regions of the world would be a good idea?

probably not, right? diplomacy would be a MUCH smarter choice, in that case, right?

so why not use that same policy of diplomacy, right now? or does our foreign policy change
depending on how easy it is to kick a country's ass? i.e. how helpless they are.

gopher <-- slipping into his flameproof red, white & blue lycra skinsuit to blend in with all the
ra-ra patriots.

BTW, for the price of just one AGM-130 (a so-called "smart" bomb that costs about half a million
dollars ) we could hire and pay almost 13 elementary school teacher's salaries for an entire year.

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So, you're saying NK will have a megaton bomb in four days? Patience man, patience... You will
find that things will progress rapidly...

It is stupid.

Why not wait until the forces tied up in the Middle East are freed up before stopping heavy fuel oil
shipments (provoking N. Korea to start up the reactor)?

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Stick to bike racing and let the professionals worry about international affairs.

Professionals such as yourself?

That type of sentiment would be more at home in the type of totalitarian regime we seek to depose
(Saddam Hussein).

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You wouldn't be free to state your opinion in Iraq. Plus, if you were a member of the Iraqi Olympic
bike team and you didn't win a medal, Uday might have a few things for you...

Not even Bush Sr. is comfortable with the way his son is handling things.

timesonline.co.uk0,,3 605441,00.htmlOpen ↗

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thanks jay, you have confirmed everything that i said in my last post....

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W's job is to protect the U.S.

funny that the UN Security Council (i.e. the REST of the world) doesn't agree with his methods for
doing so. just the rah-rah crowd actually thinks what he is doing is helping us in the long run.

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No one wants to go to war.

then why the military build up in the mid east and now another small "token" one near NK? we just
doing that to "scare" them into backing down? smells like war preparations to me. ( granted the
build up near NK, isn't that big yet)

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Do you want your kids to live in a World of constant threat levels? Orange one day, yellow the
next? The fact is, W is talking about rogue nations like Iraq, North Korea and Iran.

the USA's "might-makes-right-we-are-the-world's-bully" policies are THE reason for those orange and
yellow alerts you mentioned. why in the hell do you think those "rogue" nations hate us so much and
want to cause us harm? because our olympic basketball team beats them?

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Interesting how Iran is fast approaching nuke bomb capability.

yep, as covered in my last post and snipped by you in this one. i'll repost it again for you to
ponder ---

"...so anytime someone else would like to acquire equal military fire power, or at least have SOME
weapons in their arsenal to make it a fair fight, it's our job to crush and stop them immediately,
right? after all, we are the defenders of freedom, and only use military force when we have
exhausted all other peaceful means first, right?"

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Keep living in your little dreamland...

not so sure who's living in a dreamland here. the majority of the world seems to think this war is
not needed, except for the rah-rahs.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - the problem is that the
"rah-rah" USA crowd is much too busy worrying about the symptoms
(current situation) to step back and see the cause of why those
countries hate the USA in the first place, and "the cause" was the
point of my original post. (re-read it if you missed
it)

simple cause and effect. USA bullies. rouge nations hate. USA bullies some more to keep them in
line. rogue nations hate us some more. it's a never ending spiral.

and the only way to end such a spiral is when the bully swallows his pride, and attempts to
compromise with the little guy. I can assure you that the little guy getting his ass kicked sure as
hell isn't EVER going initiate this process.

to sum it up. It's time for the USA to stop the bullying and posturing and military build up B.S.,
and start finding a mature way, that the rest of the world agrees with, to solve these problems.

gopher