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  1. I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to ride
    with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood, but
    he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the problem,
    but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his) and taking
    him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really going somewhere
    on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your kid
    to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the
    problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his)
    and taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really
    going somewhere on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your
    kid to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

    By the time I was in 7th grade, I was riding a couple of miles to school and everywhere else in town
    everyday year 'round, and I've been taking my 12yo daughter on the main road this summer. My 14yo
    son has been riding on the main road for over a year when he wants to go to Brooks to get a snack.
    It's only about a mile on the road, though, and the road has a wide shoulder with lots of runners
    and cyclists, so the drivers are used to seeing them.

    --

    "Where was the ka-boom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering ka- boom!"
    - Marvin The Martian

  3. Age 7. She had put in 2 good years before that on a trailer bike with a shifter. She was big for her
    age and was then riding a 24" 7-speed, which I traded up to a 26" with a 13" frame at age 9. At 11
    she got a 49cm Fuji Tourer and a 50 cm Cannondale R500. She's now 13, completed the 361 mile Cycle
    South Carolina in June 2002 and her first century in November of that year.

    Choose fairly quiet backroads at first, working up gradually to more heavily traveled roads. Match
    your speed to his, and gradually work up. A tandem will only postpone his learning to ride with and
    cope with traffic.

    Alexander Gilchrist

  4. When you're out in traffic, make sure that your kid rides in front of you. That way you can keep an
    eye on what he's doing and how he's managing the bike, he won't fall behind, and you'll be a more
    visible 'target' for overtaking cars to see.

    Mark

    "Horace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though


    he

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    often has trouble keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely


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    traffic. A tandem would solve the problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered
    buying a beater MTB (like his) and taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to
    the "adventure" of


    really

    Quoted message said:

    going somewhere on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age


    when

    Quoted message said:

    you encouraged your kid to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

  5. "Horace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though


    he

    Quoted message said:

    often has trouble keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely


    in

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    traffic. A tandem would solve the problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered
    buying a beater MTB (like his) and taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to
    the "adventure" of


    really

    Quoted message said:

    going somewhere on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age


    when

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    you encouraged your kid to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

    I would recommend while you are driving with him to point out dangers or potential dangers in the
    road. Do this for a week or so, and then let him start pointing out the dangers and what he would do
    to avoid them on his bike. I think you will soon know if he is ready to ride in traffic.

    Matthew

  6. Horace <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    : ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his

    Maybe it's a good idea to take a look at some of the how-to-ride-in-traffic sites together.

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  7. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Horace
    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to ride
    with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood, but
    he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the problem,
    but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his) and taking
    him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really going somewhere
    on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your kid
    to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

    Your 12 yo is probably a lot smarter than you give him credit for. When I was 12 I rode everywhere in a major capital city (3 million people). I rode at least 3 miles to school on a dual carriage highway in peak hour traffic. I used to ride to the other side of the city to visit my sister. Never had any trouble. If my parents worried they never said anything. That was 30 years ago and I'm still here to tell the story.

    Kids can handle bikes pretty well and they only get better with experience. They don't have a fear of traffic - it's only when you get to adulthood and start driving cars that you realise how vulnerable you were as a cyclist. As long as he learns not to make erratic moves when riding in traffic he'll be fine. My 11 year-old has strted to ride to school this year. I'm encouraging him. Kids need the encouragement to exercise these days - there are too many sedantry interests (computers, TV etc.).

    If the kid wants to ride with you then you should encourage it. Pretty soon he'll be grown up and gone. Get him a good bike with decent gears so he can keep up with you. What are you going to say in a few years time when he starts moaning that you can't keep up with him?

    I can see the post already. I have an old man who wants to ride with me, but he's too slow and panics whenever we go out in heavy traffic. should I buy him a wheelchair or a walking stick?

  8. A tandem (or tandem attachment) is a great idea for long distance hauls where the distances done by an adult are just beyond a child's stamina levels, particularly day after day touring. But for general riding, I think supervised soloing is the way to go for long term results.

    Our 7 year old just learned to bike this summer. She's doing remarkably well for her age but she's not safe to roll unsupervised in traffic because she's unpredictable and doesn't have good traffic judgement skills. Most of our family riding is done with her riding between her two parents - usually Mamma in front, her and Poppa following.

    Two things we're working on with her is to "be responsible" for her own street crossings. What I'm trying to discourage is having her play "follow the leader", seeing me cross a street and assuming because I went across without a problem, she can follow without looking. She did have an incident this summer because she saw her father cross a residential street. Just as he went across, a car turned onto the street and she scooted across. Fortunately, the driver was alert and braked with plenty of time and distance to spare. When I talked to her about it, it was very clear that she can't comprehend stopping distances for a vehicle or judge their speed. Your child, being older, probably has better judgement in this area.

    The other thing we're doing is having her tell us what to do next. "We're going to stop at the stop sign and turn right after we check for cars".... etc. We also stop before starting off on a "tricky bit" to make sure she understands how we plan to cross the bridge, or navigate the upcoming intersection. It gives her a chance to see our otherwise invisible thought processes.

    Other than that, it's been a lot of practice sessions. She'll go out with her dad to practise making left hand turns or work on some other skill set. The practice sessions seem to coincidentally end at a local ice-cream shop but I'm sure that's just happenstance <grin>

    I did find information at http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/education.htm
    that was very useful in helping us teach cycling safety to our daughter. It gave me a good insight into what she was capable of dealing with in terms of perception and reaction.

    As far as keeping up, a couple of comments. One, we've both had to cut our speed when we're with her because she's not capable of travelling as fast as we do and we've had to experiment a lot with gears etc to keep our pace down to her level. Second, both of us now use a rear view mirror on our bikes, not to watch traffic but so the leading parent can keep an eye on the back of the pack. Finally, because she's growing so fast, we've had to raise her bike seat twice this summer so she's getting good extension on her legs. Everytime we've done this, her average speed has gone up about 1 kph, so she's getting closer to our normal speeds.

    I know this sounds like a lot of effort but it isn't really. We enjoy biking as a family and I know I'll feel a lot calmer when she makes her first solo trip to friend's house because I have a very good idea of what her skills are.

    We've also encouraged her to define her own goals to give her a sense of accomplishment. One was "biking to the downtown", another was "biking on a downtown street", the next one is "biking to school". We've done a bit of "stage management" like doing the "downtown street" on a Sunday morning but I think it's important for kids to attain their own goals to build their confidence.

    Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Horace
    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to ride
    with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood, but
    he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the problem,
    but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his) and taking
    him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really going somewhere
    on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your kid
    to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

  9. Horace said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the
    problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his) and
    taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really going
    somewhere on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your kid
    to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.


    Depends on the kid. I often take my 11 year old nephew with me on rides that go , at least
    partially, through heavily trafficed areas. It has never been a problem as he is very serious and
    conscientious about how he rides (at least when he is with me). He has gone on several short bike
    tours with no problem. His older sister (13) rode over 1000 miles with me last year, and also
    accopnaied us on a bike tour to Hawaii- again no problems.

    I think most kids would be fine if the tenets of vehicular cycling are explained, and they are
    accomapnied and corrected by an adult.

    Bob

  10. Spider1977 <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Your 12 yo is probably a lot smarter than you give him credit for. When I was 12 I rode everywhere
    : in a major capital city (3 million people). I rode at least 3 miles to school on a dual carriage
    : highway in peak

    Hmm dunno, I sometimes did pretty stupid things as a kid, though I still do... Guess it's the
    European traffic system, transitions between vehicular cycling and just biketrack/sidewalk cycling
    can be quite confusing.

    : If the kid wants to ride with you then you should encourage it. Pretty soon he'll be grown up and
    : gone. Get him a good bike with decent gears so he can keep up with you. What are you going to say
    : in a few years time when he starts moaning that you can't keep up with him?

    : I can see the post already. I have an old man who wants to ride with me, but he's too slow and
    : panics whenever we go out in heavy traffic. should I buy him a wheelchair or a walking stick?

    😄 I guess it's inevitable. It all depends on who can put in the best training miles 😉

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  11. "Horace" <[email hidden]> spake thusly on or about Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:24:17 UTC

    -> Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when -> you encouraged
    your kid to ride along? Any tips would be greatly -> appreciated. ->

    We have cycled everywhere winter and summer for the past two years. I considered our son able as
    soon as he could hold his line, shoulder check and hold a reasonable speed; he was 9 when he met
    those requirements and now at 11 he is riding side streets and feeders on his own and is a better
    "driver" than most of the motorized ones.

    tips? follow the laws yourself and expect the young to do the same. While children may not alway do
    as we say they often follow our example.

    --
    I hurt before the ride so fibro gives me a head start on the rest of the pack. silver lining?
    [email hidden]

  12. lol....

    While reading your post I was struck by the thought that perhaps had I encouraged my son a bit more
    to ride his bike he might be a better car driver now that he is grown.

    take care Liz

    Hey! Look what Spider1977 <[email hidden]> wrote :

    Quoted message said:


    I can see the post already. I have an old man who wants to ride with me, but he's too slow and
    panics whenever we go out in heavy traffic. should I buy him a wheelchair or a walking stick?

  13. According to Horace <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    I was doing longer solo rides and managing downtown traffic at that age, in the not-so-distant late
    1980s. Colorado was already so overrun with SUVs by then that I encountered a Lamborghini LM002 on
    one of my rides.

    Lars

  14. Horace said:

    I'm getting back into recreational cycling after a long hiatus, and my oldest son (12) wants to
    ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we ride in our immediate neighborhood,
    but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the
    problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his)
    and taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really
    going somewhere on his bike.

    Anyone have experience in this area? If so, was there a particular age when you encouraged your
    kid to ride along? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.


    Horace:

    If possible, sign yourself and your son up for an effective cycling course. They go over bike
    handling skills in the classroom and on the road, and they spend a fair amount of time discussing
    how to handle a bike in traffic.

    The best thing you can do is ride! I started my son out early (8 or 9) and we took short trips in
    traffic. Most of the early times were spent just riding with traffic and not having to negotiate
    turns (left). We slowly got to that point eventually, as he became comfortable riding with traffic.

    Whatever you do, ride at his speed, or it is no fun for him.

    Kerry

  15. "Horace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    .... My oldest son (12) wants to ride with me almost all the time. I enjoy his company when we
    ride in our immediate neighborhood, but he's bugging me about riding on some heavily trafficked
    streets outside the neighborhood.

    He has fairly good bike handling skills for his experience level, though he often has trouble
    keeping up. I'm most concerned about him riding safely in traffic. A tandem would solve the
    problem, but the cost is prohibitive at present. I've considered buying a beater MTB (like his)
    and taking him to some area trails, but I suspect he's attracted to the "adventure" of really
    going somewhere on his bike.

    If you have nice trails in your area, it could be a nice *alternate* place to ride. However,
    on-street riding has quite a few advantages, including the fact one actually goes somewhere and one
    is able to use the bike for useful transportation like going to school, work, shopping, etc.

    I have a 7-year-old daughter who has been riding both on the trailercycle and by herself (more and
    more) for the last 2 years. She knows the rules of the road and has known them from riding the
    trailercycle, walking or even sitting in the car, so I don't think she would zoom through a red
    light or stop sign on purpose.

    As others said, when she rides her own bike, I prefer that she rides in front of me so I can give
    her pointers and correct her if necessary. Right now, I trust fairly much her traffic sense with the
    following limitations:
    - Traffic level per se doesn't seem to be a problem, especially if there is a wide outside lane or
    if the side of the street (or shoulder) is fairly even. The more critical factor is how long it
    lasts: i.e. no problem for say, 1-2 km in a busy environment followed by longer distance in more
    quiet roads.
    - Hills are a problem. She doesn't feel confident in riding down hills, so I choose either short
    ones or long ones with shallow grades.
    - Some intersections are problematic, due to her confidence level, her speed, etc. With her, I do
    2-step left-turns and avoid if possible places where one or two right lanes turn in a
    high-speed turn.
    - Expanding a bit on the "intersection" issue, I avoid small streets or bike path with problematic
    intersections. There is nothing worst for a small hid than having to cross a high-volume street
    when there is no traffic light to cross it. This is true both on foot and by bike, so the typical
    pseudo-"safety" instruction of "walking your bike" doesn't make any sense.

    Regards,

    Michel Gagnon

  16. "Alexander Gilchrist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Choose fairly quiet backroads at first, working up gradually to more heavily traveled roads. Match
    your speed to his, and gradually work up. A tandem will only postpone his learning to ride with
    and cope with traffic.

    Thanks for the tips. I want to make sure he's serious about the longer rides, so we'll be working on
    single-file riding, signals, traffic call-outs, etc. I just need to scout out some backroads for us,
    probably hauling the bikes to a starting point, since we live in the urban part of town. I think
    having a "destination" would help with the motivation. He kept up with me pretty well on a ride of
    about four miles last week.

    As far as speed goes, another poster suggested I follow in trail behind my son, matching his speed.
    This will be easier when he can manage higher gears. Right now I'm encouraging him to spin in the
    lower gears. (I'm probably a little neurotic about gearing since I have arthritic knees). I don't
    want him to mash big gears and hurt his knees.

    Where in SC do you live? We moved from the Greenville area to NC last year. We had a lot more nearby
    backroads in SC.

  17. Thanks for the advice. I'll put him out front on our next ride, so he can practice.

    Horace

    "Mark Weaver" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    When you're out in traffic, make sure that your kid rides in front of you. That way you can keep
    an eye on what he's doing and how he's managing the bike, he won't fall behind, and you'll be a
    more visible 'target' for overtaking cars to see.

    Mark

  18. Quoted post said:

    [i- Hills are a problem. She doesn't feel confident in riding down hills, so I choose either short
    ones or long ones with shallow grades.
    [/B]

    One thing we did learn this summer is that coaster brakes are **not** a good idea for kids. We were out doing some road work with rolling hills for the experience. Oneida got going a little fast on the downhill grade, lost her footing on her pedals and with coaster brakes, had nothing left to slow her speed except gravity. Fortuntely, it was nothing more serious than road rash but a big lesson for mom and dad. She's getting a new bike next summer that's more suited to touring and it will have proper brakes on it. In the meantime, we're off the hills for a while.

  19. Hi Horace,
    I grew up in Sweden and my school (which is common for many schools) had a rule that you were not allowed to ride your bike to school until you were 12. Apparently there had been several traffic safety studies (and Sweden is a safety concious country if any) made in the area of children and traffic. Before the age of 11 a normal child CANNOT properly judge speed/distance in regards to oncoming traffic. Also, coordination skills are not fully developed. Another problem is focussing skills. A very small child can only focus on one task, and quickly forget about anything else. We are all familiar with the situation where a child suddenly runs after a ball that went in the street. In the midst of the action it's impossible for a child to remember to look for cars. The focus is only on the ball and the game.

    At the age of 11 these problems have been mostly outgrown and coordination and focus skills are basically fully developed. A normal 11 year old can also manage several tasks simultaneously, as in riding your bike and looking out for traffic. Regardless of all this in many cases a good knowledge of how it all works can work well in lieu of actual skills. If you teach your child to err on the safe side and always stop at crossings to walk the bike across, you should not need to worry at all.

    There is one other important fact that many parents forget. Many children "live" on their bikes and have fantastic handling skills due to constant practice. This works in their favor. Many parents ride their bike once a week or much less. They are far more incompetent riders in many cases.

    You should not worry about your son. He's already got the psycho-motor skills required and if you teach him the rules of the road he'll be as safe as any adult.

    1. Sit down and go through the traffic regulations related to cycling and some to cars. That way he'll know what to expect. Use local streets and crossings as examples.

    2. Get out and drive a car lenght behind him when he rides. That way you block him completely from other traffic with yours, and you can supervise his riding.

    3. Go and ride a bike with him. Again, stay behind so that you can see what he does. Both in the case of #2 and #3 you force him to make his own good/bad decisions without the benefit of looking following you like a duckling.

    You can skip step two if you don't think it's needed. I did it with my kids because they were a bit younger and I wanted the safety of the car shield on my first outing on a bigger road. I choose some roads with enough traffic to pose a threat, but not too much so that I wouldn't block traffic by driving slowly.

    Good luck!🙂

  20. "Brunswick_kate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [i- Hills are a problem. She doesn't feel confident in riding down hills, so I choose either
    short ones or long ones with shallow grades.

    One thing we did learn this summer is that coaster brakes are **not** a good idea for kids. We
    were out doing some road work with rolling hills for the experience. Oneida got going a little
    fast on the downhill grade, lost her footing on her pedals and with coaster brakes, had nothing
    left to slow her speed except gravity. Fortuntely, it was nothing more serious than road rash but
    a big lesson for mom and dad. She's getting a new bike next summer that's more suited to touring
    and it will have proper brakes on it. In the meantime, we're off the hills for a while.

    How old is she? Sometimes little kids have problems with enough finger strength to squeeze
    adequately.

    Pete

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