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  1. I just got back from a trip that included a short bike tour of Visby,
    Sweden, and renting a bike in Copenhagen, Denmark for the day. In Visby we
    figured we it would be fun, and there were a few true bicyclists on the
    tour, and quite a few people that probably haven't riden a bike in 10 years.
    In Copenhagen we figured it was Sunday, most shopping was closed, we usually
    do about 26 miles on a Sunday on our tandem through the local hills, so why
    not try renting bikes. I have a few observations:

    Bike rentals there were strange hybrids. Even in Visby, where bikes weren't
    all that sacred, the bikes had chainguards, both a hand brake and coaster
    brakes, fat tires, fenders, and the ever present bell. Helmets were
    available (but not required) in Visby, though there were probably around 10
    helmets and 20 people on the tour. Visby had a few small hills, and the
    heavy bikes made them a challenge. The tour we went on was about 10 miles,
    a few through a cobblestone town, some on a bike trail along a highway, and
    some on the highway itself, and ended over a rocky path on a former military
    range. The wide tires were very helpful on the cobblestones and rocky path.
    (And had I known about the rocky path and my lack of off roading skills I
    probably would have taken a helmet...)

    The bikes we rented from the Radisson Royal SAS in Copenhagen were pretty
    much the same, with the addition of a lock that basically was a little bolt
    you would flip down and put through the spokes of the back tire, and then
    lock in. You didn't have to carry anything but a key. This lock wouldn't
    keep people from stealing either pieces (seats, front tires) or the whole
    bike, but it would keep people from joy riding. Apparently that's the usual
    problem in Copenhagen. When we commented on the weird brake setup the
    conceirge helping us with the bikes (and I got to tell you, asking about
    bikes was the only request that got the conceirges excited in this hotel...)
    told us his wife used a bike just like these to get around town. Helmets
    were not available. In Copenhagen bike lanes were pretty much everywhere.
    The streets were such that there was car lanes, a curb, bike lane, a curb,
    walking path. So the bike lane was above the motor vehicle lane, but below
    the walking lane. The bike lanes in general were the width of a full
    vehicle lane, so plenty of room for passing. In the city there were
    probably more bikes in transit than personal cars. Also, in the city, bikes
    were expected to cross, and then cross again rather than taking the lane for
    left hand turns. In our 26 mile journey along the coast we did run across
    one family with little ones biking and two roller bladers and only two or so
    folks on light bikes in lycra. Most were folks on their way to the beach or
    beach towns, with beach towels and even sand buckets on their racks. So the
    bike lanes worked well for commuters and recreational cyclists, but I'm not
    sure that they'd work for peletons of people out for a work out.

    And despite riding 26 miles in street clothes, no my butt didn't hurt. Big
    cushy seats and a pretty upright position does that for you. Yes, we did
    run across quite a head wind coming back, but that just meant you pedalled a
    little harder.

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one of
    these commuter type thing. I'd stick with hand brakes, but the chain guard
    and fenders would really mean I could hop on my bike wearing absolutely
    anything (two girls on the Visby tour were in dresses!) and not worry about
    getting clothes stuck in the chain or dirtied from the tires. The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes. These bikes were really meant for everyday use.

    I also found for hill climbing and workout rides I'm not giving up my carbon
    fiber trek any time soon. Just starting those heavy bikes up was a workout.

  2. Hi Cathy
    Thanks for the report
    I thought Scandinavia had cycle routes cross country too.
    Did you hear about those. I was planning on living there sometime because
    of the dedicated bike highways. Good training in that case.
    I have seen the Denmark bike street setup before. In Netherlands they
    have small hills of course and they still have a curb tow you can hook your
    bike up to for going up. Built into the road.

    "Cathy Kearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I just got back from a trip that included a short bike tour of Visby,
    Sweden, and renting a bike in Copenhagen, Denmark for the day. In Visby we
    figured we it would be fun, and there were a few true bicyclists on the
    tour, and quite a few people that probably haven't riden a bike in 10
    years.
    In Copenhagen we figured it was Sunday, most shopping was closed, we
    usually
    do about 26 miles on a Sunday on our tandem through the local hills, so
    why
    not try renting bikes. I have a few observations:

    Bike rentals there were strange hybrids. Even in Visby, where bikes
    weren't
    all that sacred, the bikes had chainguards, both a hand brake and coaster
    brakes, fat tires, fenders, and the ever present bell. Helmets were
    available (but not required) in Visby, though there were probably around
    10
    helmets and 20 people on the tour. Visby had a few small hills, and the
    heavy bikes made them a challenge. The tour we went on was about 10
    miles,
    a few through a cobblestone town, some on a bike trail along a highway,
    and
    some on the highway itself, and ended over a rocky path on a former
    military
    range. The wide tires were very helpful on the cobblestones and rocky
    path.
    (And had I known about the rocky path and my lack of off roading skills I
    probably would have taken a helmet...)

    The bikes we rented from the Radisson Royal SAS in Copenhagen were pretty
    much the same, with the addition of a lock that basically was a little
    bolt
    you would flip down and put through the spokes of the back tire, and then
    lock in. You didn't have to carry anything but a key. This lock wouldn't
    keep people from stealing either pieces (seats, front tires) or the whole
    bike, but it would keep people from joy riding. Apparently that's the
    usual
    problem in Copenhagen. When we commented on the weird brake setup the
    conceirge helping us with the bikes (and I got to tell you, asking about
    bikes was the only request that got the conceirges excited in this
    hotel...)
    told us his wife used a bike just like these to get around town. Helmets
    were not available. In Copenhagen bike lanes were pretty much everywhere.
    The streets were such that there was car lanes, a curb, bike lane, a curb,
    walking path. So the bike lane was above the motor vehicle lane, but
    below
    the walking lane. The bike lanes in general were the width of a full
    vehicle lane, so plenty of room for passing. In the city there were
    probably more bikes in transit than personal cars. Also, in the city,
    bikes
    were expected to cross, and then cross again rather than taking the lane
    for
    left hand turns. In our 26 mile journey along the coast we did run across
    one family with little ones biking and two roller bladers and only two or
    so
    folks on light bikes in lycra. Most were folks on their way to the beach
    or
    beach towns, with beach towels and even sand buckets on their racks. So
    the
    bike lanes worked well for commuters and recreational cyclists, but I'm
    not
    sure that they'd work for peletons of people out for a work out.

    And despite riding 26 miles in street clothes, no my butt didn't hurt.
    Big
    cushy seats and a pretty upright position does that for you. Yes, we did
    run across quite a head wind coming back, but that just meant you pedalled
    a
    little harder.

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one
    of
    these commuter type thing. I'd stick with hand brakes, but the chain
    guard
    and fenders would really mean I could hop on my bike wearing absolutely
    anything (two girls on the Visby tour were in dresses!) and not worry
    about
    getting clothes stuck in the chain or dirtied from the tires. The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes. These bikes were really meant for everyday use.

    I also found for hill climbing and workout rides I'm not giving up my
    carbon
    fiber trek any time soon. Just starting those heavy bikes up was a
    workout.

  3. Hi Cathy,

    I am from Copenhagen myself but live in London now. I can recommed this
    bicycle http://www.velorbis.com/velorbisvictoria.html if you want to
    tick all the boxes.

    kind regards
    ken

    trino said:

    Hi Cathy
    Thanks for the report
    I thought Scandinavia had cycle routes cross country too.
    Did you hear about those. I was planning on living there sometime because
    of the dedicated bike highways. Good training in that case.
    I have seen the Denmark bike street setup before. In Netherlands they
    have small hills of course and they still have a curb tow you can hook your
    bike up to for going up. Built into the road.

    "Cathy Kearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I just got back from a trip that included a short bike tour of Visby,
    Sweden, and renting a bike in Copenhagen, Denmark for the day. In Visby we
    figured we it would be fun, and there were a few true bicyclists on the
    tour, and quite a few people that probably haven't riden a bike in 10
    years.
    In Copenhagen we figured it was Sunday, most shopping was closed, we
    usually
    do about 26 miles on a Sunday on our tandem through the local hills, so
    why
    not try renting bikes. I have a few observations:

    Bike rentals there were strange hybrids. Even in Visby, where bikes
    weren't
    all that sacred, the bikes had chainguards, both a hand brake and coaster
    brakes, fat tires, fenders, and the ever present bell. Helmets were
    available (but not required) in Visby, though there were probably around
    10
    helmets and 20 people on the tour. Visby had a few small hills, and the
    heavy bikes made them a challenge. The tour we went on was about 10
    miles,
    a few through a cobblestone town, some on a bike trail along a highway,
    and
    some on the highway itself, and ended over a rocky path on a former
    military
    range. The wide tires were very helpful on the cobblestones and rocky
    path.
    (And had I known about the rocky path and my lack of off roading skills I
    probably would have taken a helmet...)

    The bikes we rented from the Radisson Royal SAS in Copenhagen were pretty
    much the same, with the addition of a lock that basically was a little
    bolt
    you would flip down and put through the spokes of the back tire, and then
    lock in. You didn't have to carry anything but a key. This lock wouldn't
    keep people from stealing either pieces (seats, front tires) or the whole
    bike, but it would keep people from joy riding. Apparently that's the
    usual
    problem in Copenhagen. When we commented on the weird brake setup the
    conceirge helping us with the bikes (and I got to tell you, asking about
    bikes was the only request that got the conceirges excited in this
    hotel...)
    told us his wife used a bike just like these to get around town. Helmets
    were not available. In Copenhagen bike lanes were pretty much everywhere.
    The streets were such that there was car lanes, a curb, bike lane, a curb,
    walking path. So the bike lane was above the motor vehicle lane, but
    below
    the walking lane. The bike lanes in general were the width of a full
    vehicle lane, so plenty of room for passing. In the city there were
    probably more bikes in transit than personal cars. Also, in the city,
    bikes
    were expected to cross, and then cross again rather than taking the lane
    for
    left hand turns. In our 26 mile journey along the coast we did run across
    one family with little ones biking and two roller bladers and only two or
    so
    folks on light bikes in lycra. Most were folks on their way to the beach
    or
    beach towns, with beach towels and even sand buckets on their racks. So
    the
    bike lanes worked well for commuters and recreational cyclists, but I'm
    not
    sure that they'd work for peletons of people out for a work out.

    And despite riding 26 miles in street clothes, no my butt didn't hurt.
    Big
    cushy seats and a pretty upright position does that for you. Yes, we did
    run across quite a head wind coming back, but that just meant you pedalled
    a
    little harder.

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one
    of
    these commuter type thing. I'd stick with hand brakes, but the chain
    guard
    and fenders would really mean I could hop on my bike wearing absolutely
    anything (two girls on the Visby tour were in dresses!) and not worry
    about
    getting clothes stuck in the chain or dirtied from the tires. The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes. These bikes were really meant for everyday use.

    I also found for hill climbing and workout rides I'm not giving up my
    carbon
    fiber trek any time soon. Just starting those heavy bikes up was a
    workout.

  4. Cathy Kearns said:

    Bike rentals there were strange hybrids. Even in Visby, where bikes weren't
    all that sacred, the bikes had chainguards, both a hand brake and coaster
    brakes, fat tires, fenders, and the ever present bell. Helmets were
    available (but not required) in Visby, though there were probably around 10
    helmets and 20 people on the tour.

    Those are what I consider normal bikes, then again, I'm a Swede. :-P We
    call such bikes "standardcyklar" and they've looked the same for 50
    years, with upgrades like modern Nexus hubs and alloy rims. Here in the
    US, it seems that "standard bikes" went out of favor some time during
    the jazz age, and domestics took on a wannabe motorcycle look. For most
    of this time up till the 80s, you could still get regular bikes in the
    form of imported Raleighs and the like, and even Sears and a few
    department stores carried clones.

    At any rate, what you saw was a design fueled need, not by trend. I
    remember a few years ago when all the youngsters in Göteborg had to
    have mtbs. Eventually, you saw them grow street rubber, and get fenders
    mounted up, then came the racks and chainguards, then finally you saw
    the basic Swedish "standardcykel" become hip again as it simply makes
    sense. The well to do ride Skeppshult bikes, while the plebes get
    Monark.

    Of course, a lot of folks ride what we'd call "hybrids" over there, but
    often called "trekking bikes" in Europe, but with the full getup. 3spd
    Torpedo or Nexus is ubiquitous. REI has a couple of bikes that look
    like those, for a really fair price. The Transfer, for $600 has a 7spd
    Nexus, and the Fusion has a Nexus 8 and built in generator with
    standlight. Very slick. I've checked both out at the local shop and
    they're a big thumbs up.

    http://www.skeppshultbikes.com/models.htm#5

  5. What about the cross country bike routes. Does that exist?
    thanks

    like those, for a really fair price. The Transfer, for $600 has a 7spd
    Nexus, and the Fusion has a Nexus 8 and built in generator with
    standlight. Very slick. I've checked both out at the local shop and
    they're a big thumbs up.

    http://www.skeppshultbikes.com/models.htm#5

  6. landotter said:
    trino said:

    What about the cross country bike routes. Does that exist?
    thanks


    Sweden has a "cross-country" set of bicycle routes called SVERIGELEDEN
    .. There are about 7 or 8 of them as I remember. One starts on the bridge
    near the central station in Stockholm. There are books for them [which I
    have - they're for sale if you're interested] - they're in Swedish, but
    the maps are useful even without being able to read Swedish - which
    isn't that hard to do. We had a problem with the signs disappearing from
    time to time but we would pick up the route again by logic. Sweden is
    well worth touring. Be aware that the distances between lodging places
    can be long.

  7. Nix on the books
    I can buy a map on the day I get there.
    thanks all the same

    "HANDSOME PRINCE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    landotter said:
    trino said:

    What about the cross country bike routes. Does that exist?
    thanks


    Sweden has a "cross-country" set of bicycle routes called SVERIGELEDEN .
    There are about 7 or 8 of them as I remember. One starts on the bridge
    near the central station in Stockholm. There are books for them [which I
    have - they're for sale if you're interested] - they're in Swedish, but
    the maps are useful even without being able to read Swedish - which isn't
    that hard to do. We had a problem with the signs disappearing from time to
    time but we would pick up the route again by logic. Sweden is well worth
    touring. Be aware that the distances between lodging places can be long.

  8. Cathy Kearns said:

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one of
    these commuter type thing.

    I did. I brought a Batavus back from The Netherlands. I bought a box for it
    at the airport.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd stick with hand brakes, but the chain guard
    and fenders would really mean I could hop on my bike wearing absolutely
    anything (two girls on the Visby tour were in dresses!) and not worry about
    getting clothes stuck in the chain or dirtied from the tires.

    Sometimes they have "chain cases." That is what they are called when they
    fully enclose the chain. And for this the gears have to be internal.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes.

    They are called "skirt guards."

    Don <www.donwiss.com/joyrides> (e-mail link at page bottom).

  9. Quoted message said:

    I am from Copenhagen myself but live in London now. I can recommed this
    bicycle http://www.velorbis.com/velorbisvictoria.html if you want to
    tick all the boxes.

    But you are still obnoxiously resizing my browser window.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  10. On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:35:09 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes.

    They are called "skirt guards."

    They're "coat guards" on mens' bikes.
    --
    zk

  11. Zoot Katz said:
    Don Wiss said:
    Quoted message said:

    The
    Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    spokes.

    They are called "skirt guards."

    They're "coat guards" on mens' bikes.

    Nope. Even on men's bikes they are called skirt guards.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  12. "Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cathy Kearns said:

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these commuter type thing.

    I did. I brought a Batavus back from The Netherlands. I bought a box for


    it

    Quoted message said:

    at the airport.

    Darn, I'm hoping I didn't miss my window of opportunity by waiting to look
    for one in the US...And yeah, I want the skirt guard too.

  13. Cathy Kearns said:

    "Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Cathy Kearns said:

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these commuter type thing.

    I did. I brought a Batavus back from The Netherlands. I bought a box for


    it

    Quoted message said:

    at the airport.

    Darn, I'm hoping I didn't miss my window of opportunity by waiting to look
    for one in the US...And yeah, I want the skirt guard too.

    Here you go: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/koga/liteace8.html

    Skirt guard and more!

    $1500 is a bit o' cabbage, but really now, if you were a hog rider,
    it'd just be a custom exhaust and enough fringe the make the thing look
    like a lamp.

  14. On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:59:59 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The
    >Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    >spokes.

    They are called "skirt guards."

    They're "coat guards" on mens' bikes.

    Nope. Even on men's bikes they are called skirt guards.

    This one has a "coat guard"
    http://newhopecyclery.com/detail.asp?pid=145&catid=47
    --
    zk

  15. Zoot Katz said:
    Don Wiss said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> The
    >>Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    >>spokes.
    >
    >They are called "skirt guards."

    They're "coat guards" on mens' bikes.

    Nope. Even on men's bikes they are called skirt guards.

    This one has a "coat guard"
    http://newhopecyclery.com/detail.asp?pid=145&catid=47

    But it is an American company's web site. What do they know about these
    things?

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  16. Cathy Kearns said:
    Don Wiss said:
    Cathy Kearns said:

    What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with one of
    these commuter type thing.

    I did. I brought a Batavus back from The Netherlands. I bought a box for it
    at the airport.

    Darn, I'm hoping I didn't miss my window of opportunity by waiting to look
    for one in the US...And yeah, I want the skirt guard too.

    If you are really set on a Dutch bike they can be mail ordered. I know the
    dealer I bought mine at has said they can ship one. But you'd have to
    figure out the model and correct size and all from a distance. I would
    presume you'd also be able to find a Gazelle dealer to ship, and bikes from
    other countries. Those are the two major Dutch bike manufacturers.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  17. Zoot Katz said:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:59:59 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> The
    >>Copenhagen bikes even had shields to keep skirts from getting stuck in the
    >>spokes.
    >
    >They are called "skirt guards."

    They're "coat guards" on mens' bikes.

    Nope. Even on men's bikes they are called skirt guards.

    This one has a "coat guard"
    http://newhopecyclery.com/detail.asp?pid=145&catid=47

    YUCK! As much as I like the Koga-Miyata Nexus 8 for its
    full-featured-ness, the derailleur model with the rear suspension is
    inelegant to say the least, and $150 more expensive.

  18. Don Wiss said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am from Copenhagen myself but live in London now. I can recommed this
    bicycle http://www.velorbis.com/velorbisvictoria.html if you want to
    tick all the boxes.

    But you are still obnoxiously resizing my browser window.

    Preferences/General/Enable Javascript/Advanced, untick "allow scripts
    to move or resize existing windows". Cursing be gone!

  19. "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Cathy Kearns said:

    "Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Cathy Kearns <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >What I found was I really, really want to replace my errand bike with


    one

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    >these commuter type thing.

    I did. I brought a Batavus back from The Netherlands. I bought a box


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it

    Quoted message said:

    at the airport.

    Darn, I'm hoping I didn't miss my window of opportunity by waiting to


    look

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for one in the US...And yeah, I want the skirt guard too.

    Here you go: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/koga/liteace8.html

    Skirt guard and more!

    $1500 is a bit o' cabbage, but really now, if you were a hog rider,
    it'd just be a custom exhaust and enough fringe the make the thing look
    like a lamp.

    Wow! And it even includes the dutch style lock!!! And lights! And a
    BELL!!! Okay, I'm saving up for my birthday. (Though the ladies version
    seems to run $200 more, I'll just have to save up more...)

    Now for the stupid question, does a Shimano Nexave IM75/IM70 hub roller
    brakes mean coaster brakes?

  20. "Cathy Kearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Cathy Kearns said:

    "Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Cathy Kearns <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Now for the stupid question, does a Shimano Nexave IM75/IM70 hub roller
    brakes mean coaster brakes?


    How do you know you can get those things serviced on this side of the pond?
    ths basket is the clincher for me if I had room for a fourth bike. haha

    cheers

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