Riding at night: a strategy for survival?

ComandanteBanana said:

Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that strategy
to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are here)...

Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he
ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with
blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting on the cell

He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).

See:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html

JonB

Jon Bendtsen said:

ComandanteBanana said:

Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that strategy
to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are here)...

Quoted message said:

Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he
ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with
blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting on the cell

He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).

See:
       http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
       http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
       http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html

JonB

All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you need
is that blinking vest. I guess.

ComandanteBanana said:

Jon Bendtsen said:

ComandanteBanana said:

Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that strategy
to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are here)...
Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he
ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with
blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting on the cell

He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).

See:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html

JonB

All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you need
is that blinking vest. I guess.

Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ComandanteBanana said:

Jon Bendtsen said:

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that strategy
> to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are here)...
> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he
> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with
> blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting on the cell
He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).

See:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html

JonB

All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you need
is that blinking vest. I guess.

Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Gunner

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ComandanteBanana said:

On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>> here)...
>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>> on the cell
> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>
> See:
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>
> JonB

All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
need is that blinking vest. I guess.

Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>> here)...
>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>>> on the cell
>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>
>> See:
>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>
>> JonB
> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
of getting involved in a car accident.

Gunner said:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

Quoted message said:

The other day he told me he
didn't have the nerve anymore to ride in traffic (he ain't no chicken,
he's a veteran),

Which means he knows how easily and how randomly a life can be snuffed
out

I guess so. I'm not so sure it would be much safer at night, as there
would be fewer but more dangerous drivers out there.

In the canoe, it's another story. Hardly any motorboats out there.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gunner said:

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Because they are the worst drivers and ignore the rules?
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ComandanteBanana said:

Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that strategy
to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are here)...

Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...

I've done this a lot, having a job that at times has me working night
shifts and getting off in the early morning hours.

Riding on wide roads with no cars and no noise is kind of interesting
the first few times, but I found the lack of scenery a bit monotonous.

Early Sunday mornings are the best time to go. And I tended to wait to
begin until an hour after the bars close.
~

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>> here)...
>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>>> on the cell
>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>
>> See:
>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>
>> JonB
>
> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
> need is that blinking vest. I guess.

Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

So thats why they get hit from the rear.

Fascinating

Gunner, ex-leo

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>> here)...
>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>>>> on the cell
>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>
>>> See:
>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>
>>> JonB
>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
of getting involved in a car accident.

So thats why they get hit from the rear, while parked on the shoulder.

Fascinating

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>> here)...
>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>>>> on the cell
>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>
>>> See:
>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>
>>> JonB
>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
of getting involved in a car accident.

I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Wouldnt that be correct? They spend far far more time on the road
than anyone

Gunner

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>> here)...
>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a
>>>>> vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers chatting
>>>>> on the cell
>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>> See:
>>>>        http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>>        http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>>        http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>> JonB
>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
> collisons?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back window
> of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Quoted message said:

Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
of getting involved in a car accident.

I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Wouldnt that be correct?   They spend far far more time on the road
than anyone

Gunner- Hide quoted text -

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Truckers are the best (and perhaps only good) drivers in America. They
undergo the training we all should be having.

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

[cuuuuut]

Quoted message said:

I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Wouldnt that be correct? They spend far far more time on the road
than anyone

Truckers dont die because they drive BIG trucks. They only harm
other people, no harm comes to them. Police cars are small cars
compared to trucks.

JonB

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>> here)...
>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even
>>>>> bought a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV
>>>>> drivers chatting on the cell
>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>>
>>>> JonB
>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>
> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>
> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
> collisons?
>
> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
> window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal
speed limit.

Thats right. Further more cops spend alot more time on the
roads than other people do, all that increases the chance
of getting involved in a car accident.

I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Nope, because they are inside vehicles which have a hell of a lot higher weight that
what they run into, and are way higher up than the poor sucker in the car is too.

Quoted message said:

Wouldnt that be correct?

Nope.

Quoted message said:

They spend far far more time on the road than anyone

But there is much more involved than just time on the road.

Gunner said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>> here)...
>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought
>>>> a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers
>>>> chatting on the cell
>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>
>>> See:
>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>
>>> JonB
>>
>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>
> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.

Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.

Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
collisons?

Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Quoted message said:

So thats why they get hit from the rear.

They dont always get hit from the rear.

And those that do get hit when the car is stationary, are usually
OUTSIDE the car, in one of the most dangerous situations around,
in which they are in FAR more often than the average car driver is too.

Quoted message said:

Fascinating

Pathetic, actually.

Quoted message said:

Gunner, ex-leo

Just ex.

Rod Speed said:

Gunner said:

Rod Speed said:

Gunner <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> On May 1, 3:45 pm, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>>>> Nothing new about it: The little furry mammals developed that
>>>>> strategy to survive among the dinosaurs (which is why we are
>>>>> here)...
>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight...
>>>>> And he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought
>>>>> a vest with blinking lights (DUI drivers and SUV drivers
>>>>> chatting on the cell
>>>> He could get a dynamo hub and some lights. The best dynamo
>>>> hub should be SON from Schmidt, but it's rather expensive.
>>>> The front and rear light could be from Busch + Muller, but
>>>> schmidt has a real nice LED light comming real soon now(tm).
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
>>>> http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
>>>> http://www.nabendynamo.de/english/index.html
>>>>
>>>> JonB
>>>
>>> All those lights are nice so you can see, but to be seen all you
>>> need is that blinking vest. I guess.
>>
>> Probably other people can see all those lights as well.
>
>
> Unless some drunk decides you are an intersection.
>
> Ever wonder why cops get killed more than anyone else in traffic
> collisons?
>
> Drunks zone in on the flashing yellow or red lights in the back
> window of a patrol car, like moths to a flame.

Nope, because they spend a lot more time at well above the legal speed limit.

Quoted message said:

So thats why they get hit from the rear.

They dont always get hit from the rear.

And those that do get hit when the car is stationary, are usually
OUTSIDE the car, in one of the most dangerous situations around,
in which they are in FAR more often than the average car driver is too.

Quoted message said:

Fascinating

Pathetic, actually.

Quoted message said:

Gunner, ex-leo

Just ex.

I wouldn't put too much stock in his ex-LEO claim.

ComandanteBanana said:

[...]

Truckers are the best (and perhaps only good) drivers in America. They
undergo the training we all should be having.

That includes following at a distance of less than 10 feet at 70 mph?
Not slowing down when the fog limits visibility so much one can barely
see the overpasses when going under them?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Jon Bendtsen said:

Gunner said:

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:53 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rod Speed wrote:
> Gunner <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:11:21 +0200, Jon Bendtsen <[email hidden]>
>> wrote:

[cuuuuut]

Quoted message said:

I forgot to point out to you and Rod, that based on your criteria,
truckers should have the highest fatality rates of all.

Wouldnt that be correct? They spend far far more time on the road
than anyone

Truckers dont die because they drive BIG trucks. They only harm
other people, no harm comes to them. Police cars are small cars
compared to trucks.

Truckers hardly ever park on the shoulder, and exit on the driver's side
to walk up to a car parked ahead of them, which is, of course, routine
behavior for a police traffic stop.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful