Reverse coronary calcium deposits?

Magnesium.

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels are
three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do to
slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

"Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his

levels are

Quoted message said:

three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do to

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on the NG,
although manditory in German as a first resort prior to
permitting stints in most cases.

You will have to do your own research...I have benefited to
levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all ....AMA
doctors associated with preventive medicine groups nationally
deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs total under
$5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two studies,
one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for lasting
benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed in the
mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed coronary
artery occlusions (not 100% though).

and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now revealed
to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus testing.

One must do his own extensive research.

Phil Scott

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Wow! You are so scared of the medical police you can't even say the name?

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"Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his

levels are

Quoted message said:

three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do to

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on the NG,
although manditory in German as a first resort prior to
permitting stints in most cases.

You will have to do your own research...I have benefited to
levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all ....AMA
doctors associated with preventive medicine groups nationally
deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs total under
$5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two studies,
one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for lasting
benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed in the
mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed coronary
artery occlusions (not 100% though).

and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now revealed
to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus testing.

One must do his own extensive research.

Phil Scott

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels are
three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do to
slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Well lets see. Going by mainstream medical logic. The same that
developed the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol theory I would have to say
he should stop consuming calcium. Yes that is the way to go I think.
Completely avoid consuming any calcium in his diet.

"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Wow! You are so scared of the medical police you can't even

say the name?

its not a name..but a generic strategy... I just dont like
getting hosed endlessly by vicious idiots when I mention
specifics other than some drug companies specific product.

I give enough information though that a person can do thier
own research and arrive at a wide range of studies and
options... my advice is irrelevant regardless.. no one knows
who I am..in the end a person should do thier own research.

Phil Scott

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found

his

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levels are

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three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do to

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his

arteries?

Quoted message said:

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Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on the

NG,

Quoted message said:

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although manditory in German as a first resort prior to
permitting stints in most cases.

You will have to do your own research...I have

benefited to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all ....AMA
doctors associated with preventive medicine groups

nationally

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Quoted message said:

deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs total

under

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Quoted message said:

$5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two

studies,

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Quoted message said:

one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for

lasting

Quoted message said:

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benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed in

the

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mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed coronary
artery occlusions (not 100% though).

and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now

revealed

Quoted message said:

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to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus

testing.

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One must do his own extensive research.

Phil Scott

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found

his levels are

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three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Well lets see. Going by mainstream medical logic. The same

that

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developed the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol theory I would

have to say

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he should stop consuming calcium. Yes that is the way to go

I think.

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Completely avoid consuming any calcium in his diet.

now there you have it... flawless medical logic...you will
get no hose job for that.

Phil Scott

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels are
three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Well lets see. Going by mainstream medical logic. The same that
developed the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol theory I would have to say
he should stop consuming calcium. Yes that is the way to go I think.
Completely avoid consuming any calcium in his diet.

Actually we will need to give him a drug that *removes* all the calcium
from his body. And as an additional side effect, also removes all potassium
and magnesium. That would do the trick, as we can be sure he won't
die from arterial disease. :-)

Alan

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can

do

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Well lets see. Going by mainstream medical logic. The same that
developed the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol theory I would have to say
he should stop consuming calcium. Yes that is the way to go I think.
Completely avoid consuming any calcium in his diet.

Actually we will need to give him a drug that *removes* all the calcium
from his body. And as an additional side effect, also removes all

potassium

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and magnesium. That would do the trick, as we can be sure he won't
die from arterial disease. :-)

Alan

The point being we all know the final event to a heart attack is the
formation of a blood clot and blood clots are normal reactive process.
People confuse a normal reactive process with pathological consequences as
evidence that the reactive process can not be involved at all as in the
cholesterol myth.
The argument is that since calcium is essential it can not be involved in
any pathological process which is totally stupid.
They have no concept of the meaning of pathophysiology which is normal
physiology gone wrong.
Advanced coronary and carotid arteriopathy in young adults with
childhood-onset chronic renal failure.

Oh J, Wunsch R, Turzer M, Bahner M, Raggi P, Querfeld U, Mehls O, Schaefer
F.
Division of Pediatric Nephrology, University Children's Hospital,
Heidelberg, Germany.
BACKGROUND: Cardiovascular mortality is excessive in young adults with
end-stage renal disease (ESRD). The factors contributing to ESRD-related
vascular disease are incompletely understood. Young adults with
childhood-onset chronic renal failure (CRF) are uniquely suited for risk
factor assessment because of their long-term exposure at an age when
vascular pathology in the general population is still minimal. METHODS AND
RESULTS: We used novel noninvasive technologies to screen for coronary and
carotid artery disease in 39 patients with ESRD aged 19 to 39 years with
childhood-onset CRF presently treated by dialysis or renal transplantation.
Coronary artery calcification burden was assessed by CT scan with ECG gating
and the intima-media thickness (IMT) of the carotid arteries by
high-resolution ultrasound. Coronary artery calcifications were present in
92% of patients; calcium scores exceeded the 95th age- and sex-specific
percentiles >10-fold on average. Carotid IMT was significantly increased
compared with matched control subjects. Both coronary calcium scores and IMT
were associated with cumulative dialysis and ESRD time and the cumulative
serum calcium-phosphate product. Coronary calcium scores were strongly
correlated with C-reactive protein and Chlamydia pneumoniae seropositivity,
time-averaged mean serum parathyroid hormone, and plasma homocysteine.
C-reactive protein and parathyroid hormone independently predicted coronary
calcium accumulation. Smoking, obesity, and HbA1c were correlated with IMT
in the control subjects but not in the patients. CONCLUSIONS: Young adults
with childhood-onset CRF have a high prevalence of arteriopathy associated
with indicators of microinflammation, hyperparathyroidism, calcium-phosphate
overload, and hyperhomocysteinemia but not traditional atherogenic risk
factors. These risk factors persist even after successful renal
transplantation.

PMID: 12093777 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found

his levels are

Quoted message said:

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three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do

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to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his

arteries?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Well lets see. Going by mainstream medical logic. The

same that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

developed the lipid hypothesis/cholesterol theory I would

have to say

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

he should stop consuming calcium. Yes that is the way to

go I think.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Completely avoid consuming any calcium in his diet.

Actually we will need to give him a drug that *removes* all

the calcium

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from his body. And as an additional side effect, also

removes all potassium

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and magnesium. That would do the trick, as we can be sure he

won't

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die from arterial disease. :-)

that approach exists, it reverses the calcification of the
arteries very successfully and with wonderful results...
however it kills the person unless at the same time this
procedure is being done to remove calcium from the ateries it
is replaced back into the blood stream,,,and yes over the next
10 years it will plate out in the arteries again if you dont
keep it removed... the combination works very well.

ymmv.

or you can visit your cardiologist just before he dies of
corronary arter disease (the 70%+ leading cause of death) and
ask him for any final secrets he has, him being a doctor and
all.

Phil Scott

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Alan

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"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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"Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels are
three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Magnesium.

::
Is that a guess or a guarantee?
What if magnesium is very high? Would that still work - and would
you still recommend magnesium under those circumstances?
Best regards,
Harlaching

Chelation "therapy" can be found detailed in this lengthy article:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html

The intimidation is working huh?

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Wow! You are so scared of the medical police you can't even

say the name?

its not a name..but a generic strategy... I just dont like
getting hosed endlessly by vicious idiots when I mention
specifics other than some drug companies specific product.

I give enough information though that a person can do thier
own research and arrive at a wide range of studies and
options... my advice is irrelevant regardless.. no one knows
who I am..in the end a person should do thier own research.

Phil Scott

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> A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found

his

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levels are
> three times what they were four years ago. Is there
anything he can do to
> slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his

arteries?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on the

NG,

Quoted message said:

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although manditory in German as a first resort prior to
permitting stints in most cases.

You will have to do your own research...I have

benefited to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all ....AMA
doctors associated with preventive medicine groups

nationally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs total

under

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two

studies,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for

lasting

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed coronary
artery occlusions (not 100% though).

and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now

revealed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus

testing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One must do his own extensive research.

Phil Scott
>
>
>

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The intimidation is working huh?

Nah...its just a total aversion to the combination of
morons and clones sent in by the pharms to trash anyone
mentioning the possibility of options beyond the current eye
wateringly advanced state of moderrrrn mediciiiin. and.....
I found out after 15 years posting the NG's that unless a
person does thier own research and learns to think for
themselves they dont have a chance anyway...

......and what I type up does *not constitute their research
its just my view. So I spare myself the grief of coping
with such mind boggling logic as these present.

Life is ever more so peaceful.... and I get revenge on idiots
that way.... they get to die young and painfully at the hands
of thier chosen perfectly well informed and competent hired
proffffessional..

Not such a bad set of options.

I had come also to the conclusion that to intefere with the
Darwian selection process was a crime against nature ...and
also prevents these people from a chance to win or at least
place in the Awards.

I gave good search terms though... any of those will lead to
the leading edge options one has and the body of data that
either exposes it as bogus or legitimate especially if
ancilliary key words found in those pieces are searched.

Phil Scott

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Wow! You are so scared of the medical police you can't

even

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say the name?

its not a name..but a generic strategy... I just dont like
getting hosed endlessly by vicious idiots when I mention
specifics other than some drug companies specific product.

I give enough information though that a person can do

thier

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

own research and arrive at a wide range of studies and
options... my advice is irrelevant regardless.. no one

knows

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who I am..in the end a person should do thier own

research.

Quoted message said:

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Phil Scott

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> "Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> news:Hngcd.259333$D%.115818@attbi_s51...
> > A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and

found

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his

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> levels are
> > three times what they were four years ago. Is there
> anything he can do to
> > slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his

arteries?

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>
>
> Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on

the

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NG,

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> although manditory in German as a first resort prior

to

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> permitting stints in most cases.
>
> You will have to do your own research...I have

benefited to

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> levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
> competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all

.....AMA

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> doctors associated with preventive medicine groups

nationally

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> deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs

total

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under

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> $5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
> arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two

studies,

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> one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for

lasting

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> benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed

in

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the

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> mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed

coronary

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> artery occlusions (not 100% though).
>
> and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
> present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now

revealed

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> to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus

testing.

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>
> One must do his own extensive research.
>
>
> Phil Scott
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Bob Prichard said:

A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels are
three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do to
slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

He could try cutting processed foods and vegetable oil out of his diet
and eating more meat and animal fats instead. If you look at the
epidemiology of heart disease, it was a rare condition when people ate
a lot of meat and animal fats. Then, certain deluded but highly
persuasive vegetarians such as Dr Kellogg duped people into thinking
that vegetarian foods were healthier than meat-based ones. People
started to eat cereals instead of meat, to use vegetable oils instead
of animal fat for cooking, and margarine (hydrogenated vegetable oil)
instead of butter. The epidemic of heart disease closely parallels
this change in diet.

Our digestive system is adapted for a carnivorous diet, cereals and
vegetable oils are not our natural food and it shouldn't be surprising
that consuming them in large amounts causes health problems such as
obesity, heart disease and diabetes.

Magnesium won't be high. It is a clacium softener. Without it we get plaque
and other hard forms of calcium.

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"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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"Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his levels

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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three times what they were four years ago. Is there anything he can do

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Magnesium.

::
Is that a guess or a guarantee?
What if magnesium is very high? Would that still work - and would
you still recommend magnesium under those circumstances?
Best regards,
Harlaching

I hear you, and although the long way around, may be the best.

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The intimidation is working huh?

Nah...its just a total aversion to the combination of
morons and clones sent in by the pharms to trash anyone
mentioning the possibility of options beyond the current eye
wateringly advanced state of moderrrrn mediciiiin. and.....
I found out after 15 years posting the NG's that unless a
person does thier own research and learns to think for
themselves they dont have a chance anyway...

.....and what I type up does *not constitute their research
its just my view. So I spare myself the grief of coping
with such mind boggling logic as these present.

Life is ever more so peaceful.... and I get revenge on idiots
that way.... they get to die young and painfully at the hands
of thier chosen perfectly well informed and competent hired
proffffessional..

Not such a bad set of options.

I had come also to the conclusion that to intefere with the
Darwian selection process was a crime against nature ...and
also prevents these people from a chance to win or at least
place in the Awards.

I gave good search terms though... any of those will lead to
the leading edge options one has and the body of data that
either exposes it as bogus or legitimate especially if
ancilliary key words found in those pieces are searched.

Phil Scott

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"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Wow! You are so scared of the medical police you can't

even

Quoted message said:

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say the name?

its not a name..but a generic strategy... I just dont like
getting hosed endlessly by vicious idiots when I mention
specifics other than some drug companies specific product.

I give enough information though that a person can do

thier

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

own research and arrive at a wide range of studies and
options... my advice is irrelevant regardless.. no one

knows

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who I am..in the end a person should do thier own

research.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Phil Scott

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> > "Bob Prichard" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > > A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and

found

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his
> > levels are
> > > three times what they were four years ago. Is there
> > anything he can do to
> > > slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his
arteries?
> >
> >
> > Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on

the

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NG,
> > although manditory in German as a first resort prior

to

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> > permitting stints in most cases.
> >
> > You will have to do your own research...I have
benefited to
> > levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
> > competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all

....AMA

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> > doctors associated with preventive medicine groups
nationally
> > deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs

total

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under
> > $5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
> > arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two
studies,
> > one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for
lasting
> > benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed

in

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the
> > mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed

coronary

Quoted message said:

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> > artery occlusions (not 100% though).
> >
> > and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
> > present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now
revealed
> > to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus
testing.
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Pay no attention to the garbage posting.

There is nothing that works when the Quacks watch

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Chelation "therapy" can be found detailed in this lengthy article:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html

Although I think I agree with your last statement(s) you may want to watch
your punctuation closer. The stement appears to disagree with itself.

Try this:

Our digestive system is adapted for a carnivorous diet. *** Cereals and
vegetable oils are not our natural food and it shouldn't be surprising
that consuming them in large amounts causes health problems such as
obesity, heart disease and diabetes.

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:28:07 GMT, "Bob Prichard"
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Our digestive system is adapted for a carnivorous diet, cereals and
vegetable oils are not our natural food and it shouldn't be surprising
that consuming them in large amounts causes health problems such as
obesity, heart disease and diabetes.

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A client recently had a coronary calcium scan, and found his

levels are

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three times what they were four years ago. Is there

anything he can do to

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slow down or reverse the calcium deposits in his arteries?

Yes, but its unpopular to mention the approach on the NG,
although manditory in German as a first resort prior to
permitting stints in most cases.

You will have to do your own research...I have benefited to
levels that I am back motorcycle racing (dirt ovals in
competition) at age 63... its not a secret at all ....AMA
doctors associated with preventive medicine groups nationally
deliver the service..it takes a few months. costs total under
$5,000 or so... search googles web tab for 'calcium,
arteries, removal' Stanford University has done two studies,
one in 1945 with two treatments (30 are required for lasting
benefits) saying it didnt work...and a study completed in the
mid 90's saying the approach routinely reversed coronary
artery occlusions (not 100% though).

and like all of medicine... the flake contingent is
present..as with the new anti cholesterol drugs now revealed
to do more harm than good iin most cases, with bogus testing.

One must do his own extensive research.

Phil Scott

Sounds like intravenous EDTA therapy.