restore or scavenge...?

I enjoy restoring older bikes. In most cases repair parts are still
available (see www.biketoolsetc.com to see what i mean.) that, plus
some ingenuity with a dremel can be used to create parts that aren't
readily available.

freewheels with removable cogs are no longer being made. All vintage
freewheels are useful because the cogs can be reused on other similar
freewheels. Vintage freewheels are often ligther and of higher
quality than today's freewheels. Don't throw away those vintage
freewheels! A 6-speed freewheel will get you up a hill just as fast
as a 7-speed freewheel with a higher high gear.

I generally will save all forged alloy parts, and this means stems,
seatposts, cranks, brakes (weinmann/universal/mafac centerpulls),
etc. I will also save bottom brackets because with the right care
a cup-and-cone bottom bracket can last longer and has lower friction
than a cartridge bottom bracket.

Some things that I _don't_ save -

* stale rubber brake blocks (but save the holders and mail them to me!)
* chains with any rust
* dried out / dissolving rubber.
* department-store parts (7/8" stems / headsets / bars / seatposts.)
* steel rims on caliper-brake bikes (aluminum provides much better braking.)

A dremel with a wire brush can do wonders for a rusty bike. Or, a can
of airplane stripper and the proper gloves and a high quality fumes
mask plus some rattle can paint and sandpaper can also do wonders.

Parts can be sold on ebay to others who are restoring bikes. If you
create an account on ebay you can search completed auction to see what
sorts of price a part will fetch. Many bicyclists sell parts for
small amounts of money just to avoid throwing stuff away and to feel
good about helping others.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

AH! That's exactly the kind of advice I was hoping for - thanks Don!

"Donald Gillies" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I enjoy restoring older bikes. In most cases repair parts are still
available (see www.biketoolsetc.com to see what i mean.) that, plus
some ingenuity with a dremel can be used to create parts that aren't
readily available.

freewheels with removable cogs are no longer being made. All vintage
freewheels are useful because the cogs can be reused on other similar
freewheels. Vintage freewheels are often ligther and of higher
quality than today's freewheels. Don't throw away those vintage
freewheels! A 6-speed freewheel will get you up a hill just as fast
as a 7-speed freewheel with a higher high gear.

I generally will save all forged alloy parts, and this means stems,
seatposts, cranks, brakes (weinmann/universal/mafac centerpulls),
etc. I will also save bottom brackets because with the right care
a cup-and-cone bottom bracket can last longer and has lower friction
than a cartridge bottom bracket.

Some things that I _don't_ save -

* stale rubber brake blocks (but save the holders and mail them to me!)
* chains with any rust
* dried out / dissolving rubber.
* department-store parts (7/8" stems / headsets / bars / seatposts.)
* steel rims on caliper-brake bikes (aluminum provides much better
braking.)

A dremel with a wire brush can do wonders for a rusty bike. Or, a can
of airplane stripper and the proper gloves and a high quality fumes
mask plus some rattle can paint and sandpaper can also do wonders.

Parts can be sold on ebay to others who are restoring bikes. If you
create an account on ebay you can search completed auction to see what
sorts of price a part will fetch. Many bicyclists sell parts for
small amounts of money just to avoid throwing stuff away and to feel
good about helping others.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

C.J.Patten wrote:
-snip-

Quoted message said:

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:

http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/

The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.

Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?

Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Made by Tyler.
Not bad and you might like riding it. Very similar to my
own Bianchi Aquiletta.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Googled that one...
http://www.mopedarmy.com/photos/brand/144/2588/

Damn.

That's a NICE bike! 🙂

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

C.J.Patten wrote:
-snip-

Quoted message said:

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:

http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/

The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.

Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?

Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Made by Tyler.
Not bad and you might like riding it. Very similar to my own Bianchi
Aquiletta.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

C.J.Patten said:

Hey folks!

Since getting back in to cycling recently, I've been finding bikes in all
sorts of places.

I don't seem to be so lucky finding bikes. Any suggestions where to
look?

Quoted message said:

Most of the bikes I find, I've been donating to a local gentleman who fixes
and sells them cheap ($5-$30) from his front lawn.

I feel pretty good about this - someone who can't afford a new bike gets a
ride - and I even got a Brooks saddle off one of the donated bikes.

*** *** ***

I'm wondering, if you had a scrap-heap of bikes to pick through, what parts
would you pull out?

I salvaged a Kalloy stem from a 12-speed. The freewheel is only a 6 speed -
Shimano SIS downtube shifters - so I figured I'd hold out for a 7.

Would *you* keep a 6?

Pull out the parts you have a use for. Better yet, pull out the bike
you have a use for, and whatever parts you want to put on it.

Quoted message said:

*** *** ***

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:

http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/

The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.

Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?

I would keep the whole bike and fix it up. "Hot rod" it the way many
do to their Raleigh 20's - ie, customize it the way you want it. But
then again, I have old folder lust, thanks to numerous pages about
customized Raleigh 20's.

Quoted message said:

Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Only worth fixing if you have a use for it, or you are going to find it
a new home yourself.

Personally, I enjoy working on old bikes, so I scour garage sales for
them. When I find something suitable, I buy it, fix it up, and either
sell it at cost to a friend (ie, what I paid for it plus what I put
into it in parts), or sell it for a bit more to a stranger via a
classified ad. I consider it a hobby that doesn't really cost me
anything. To me, a suitable bike for fixing up is something that needs
some work and will have some value when I am done. This generally
leads me to older bike store brand road bikes - 10 and 12 speeds
mainly.

Later,
Mark Muller

C.J.Patten said:

Hey folks!

Since getting back in to cycling recently, I've been finding bikes in all
sorts of places.

Most of the bikes I find, I've been donating to a local gentleman who fixes
and sells them cheap ($5-$30) from his front lawn.

I feel pretty good about this - someone who can't afford a new bike gets a
ride - and I even got a Brooks saddle off one of the donated bikes.

*** *** ***

I'm wondering, if you had a scrap-heap of bikes to pick through, what parts
would you pull out?

I salvaged a Kalloy stem from a 12-speed. The freewheel is only a 6 speed -
Shimano SIS downtube shifters - so I figured I'd hold out for a 7.

Would *you* keep a 6?

*** *** ***

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:

http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/

The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.

Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?

Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Cheers!
Chris

Recently I found a 1983 Fuji Absolute 12 speed bike in the garbage pile
in front of a house. It looked just fine. It had sat in the garage
unused for 20 years. It was a big 25" frame. I took it home and
overhauled it. No new parts. $5.30 total cost. I rode it around the
parking lot to make sure it worked when I was done. I then gave it to
my Mom to give to a place that needs usable bikes. I guess it was
worth it.

But I might not do it again. Particularly for a less quality bike. I
have several nice bikes. Old junk bikes you can find are not as nice
to work on as nicer newer bikes. And old junk bikes you can find are
not as nice to ride as newer high quality bikes. I have enough other
stuff to do than spend it fixing junk bikes up. I'd rather ride my
nice high quality bikes than fix junk bikes. I'd rather overhaul my
nice high quality bikes than fix up junk bikes. Or overhaul my
family's bikes thjat they actually ride than fix up junk bikes.
Needless to say I don't see much if any benefit fixing up junk bikes
you can fiind for free or cheap. Note, I am not talking about finding
old Cinelli bikes and other high quality bikes, just department store
junk bikes.

Quoted message said:

C.J.Patten said:

Hey folks!

Since getting back in to cycling recently, I've been finding bikes in all
sorts of places.

Most of the bikes I find, I've been donating to a local gentleman who fixes
and sells them cheap ($5-$30) from his front lawn.

I feel pretty good about this - someone who can't afford a new bike gets a
ride - and I even got a Brooks saddle off one of the donated bikes.

*** *** ***

I'm wondering, if you had a scrap-heap of bikes to pick through, what parts
would you pull out?

I salvaged a Kalloy stem from a 12-speed. The freewheel is only a 6 speed -
Shimano SIS downtube shifters - so I figured I'd hold out for a 7.

Would *you* keep a 6?

*** *** ***

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:

http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/

The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.

Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?

Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Cheers!
Chris

Recently I found a 1983 Fuji Absolute 12 speed bike in the garbage pile
in front of a house. It looked just fine. It had sat in the garage
unused for 20 years. It was a big 25" frame. I took it home and
overhauled it. No new parts. $5.30 total cost. I rode it around the
parking lot to make sure it worked when I was done. I then gave it to
my Mom to give to a place that needs usable bikes. I guess it was
worth it.

But I might not do it again. Particularly for a less quality bike. I
have several nice bikes. Old junk bikes you can find are not as nice
to work on as nicer newer bikes. And old junk bikes you can find are
not as nice to ride as newer high quality bikes. I have enough other
stuff to do than spend it fixing junk bikes up. I'd rather ride my
nice high quality bikes than fix junk bikes. I'd rather overhaul my
nice high quality bikes than fix up junk bikes. Or overhaul my
family's bikes thjat they actually ride than fix up junk bikes.
Needless to say I don't see much if any benefit fixing up junk bikes
you can fiind for free or cheap. Note, I am not talking about finding
old Cinelli bikes and other high quality bikes, just department store
junk bikes.

I think that applies to anything, which would you rather spend your time
fixing up, an '96 Honda Accord, or a '63 Porsche?

I have an interesting dilemma right now, keep my '95 Chrysler Intrepid,
which seems to have joined the $300-repair-a-month club, or go "car
free" for a while, and maybe pickup a commuter bike for summer and take
the bus in the Winter...... My wife changed universities so, she will
be commuting downtown this year. I can drive to work in 10 minutes, bus
it in 40 and probably bike it in about 25...... The bike commute has
the hill to/from hell, so that might be interesting.....

W

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

..> I don't seem to be so lucky finding bikes. Any suggestions where to

Quoted message said:

look?

You bet!

1) your local FreeCycle group; often if you're donating bikes to a local
"bike man Pat", only keeping a part or two (if at all), people will freely
donate them to you. I don't get a lot of good stuff but I do get the
occasional nugget (eg: the Brooks Saddle I found on the Sekine)

2) Garbage day! - more specifically, the day before. I find bikes out with
the trash every week. Some really are junk but many can be salvaged.

3) though I haven't done this personally, I understand many people find
stuff at local landfills/dumps. I think our municiple dump prohibits this
kind of thing though...

4) "dumpster diving"... Google it. Dumpsters near university dorms around
the time people are moving out are great places to look

Quoted message said:

Pull out the parts you have a use for. Better yet, pull out the bike
you have a use for, and whatever parts you want to put on it.

Sorta like playing Canasta... you gotta pick up and you gotta discard... but
you never know what you might be able to use later... 😉

Quoted message said:

I would keep the whole bike and fix it up. "Hot rod" it the way many
do to their Raleigh 20's - ie, customize it the way you want it. But
then again, I have old folder lust, thanks to numerous pages about
customized Raleigh 20's.

I hear you. I have a penchant for folders too.

I find it a bit depressing that I can't afford all the tools and materials I
need to do a nice restoration. (Oxalic acid for removing rust etc... ) Soon
though.

Quoted message said:

Only worth fixing if you have a use for it, or you are going to find it
a new home yourself.

Agreed.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I enjoy working on old bikes, so I scour garage sales for
them. When I find something suitable, I buy it, fix it up, and either
sell it at cost to a friend (ie, what I paid for it plus what I put
into it in parts), or sell it for a bit more to a stranger via a
classified ad. I consider it a hobby that doesn't really cost me
anything. To me, a suitable bike for fixing up is something that needs
some work and will have some value when I am done. This generally
leads me to older bike store brand road bikes - 10 and 12 speeds
mainly.

That's a great hobby Mark.

Since getitng a digital camera, I find it rewarding to take "before and
after" pictures of my projects. Even if the item gets given away or sold, I
can always say "I did that."

BTW: see http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=dumpsterdiving

🙂

Chris

Quoted message said:

Recently I found a 1983 Fuji Absolute 12 speed bike in the garbage pile
in front of a house. It looked just fine. It had sat in the garage
unused for 20 years. It was a big 25" frame. I took it home and
overhauled it. No new parts. $5.30 total cost. I rode it around the
parking lot to make sure it worked when I was done. I then gave it to
my Mom to give to a place that needs usable bikes. I guess it was
worth it.

My first road bike was a 12 speed Fuji Supreme. I was going to mess
with it and either upgrade it or make it into a fixed gear, but it looks
and rides so good in near original condition that I am still alternating
it with my better bike. These old bikes can be nice, reliable rides
even if they aren't the "latest thing."

C.J.Patten said:

I find it a bit depressing that I can't afford all the tools and materials I
need to do a nice restoration. (Oxalic acid for removing rust etc... ) Soon
though.

What's oxalic acid ?? You can do a darned good job of removing rust
with ANY acid that attacks rust faster than it attacks steel or
chrome. A $5 jar of naval jelley is a very good tool for removing
rust on a QR skewer. However, you also need elbow grease to make it
work well :

1. strip all the rust with a $20 chinese dremel from kmart (hurry,
china is about to revalue the yuan) using the wire brush
(replacement brushes & polishing parts available at Sears.)

2. douse in naval jelly for 5 mins at most. Use goggles and gloves.
GOGGLES VERY IMPORTANT.

3. remove, rinse with H2_0 to deactivate acid, and go back to step #1
as many times as necessary (usually once.) GOGGLES VERY IMPORTANT.
Total time = ~30 mins.

4. Protect the part with butcher's wax or get a $30 brush plating set
from www.caswellplating.com and replate the rusty areas (note : I
find that brush plating sets are just that - you MUST brush with
them (not dunk) to get them to work, despite what the instructions
say.) After brush plating, you should still wax it to fill any
left over pinholes.

======

Larged chromed areas (cranks, hubs, rims) belong at a chrome shop.
Chrome shops can do a better job with hexavalent chrome (impossible to
do at home) but you don't want to mess with benzene and/or other
carcinogens or the EPA in the hexavalent chroming process. Brush
plating sets are actually Nickel / Cobalt so they are not as cancerous
or dangerous.

The only rims I'd replate would be on a pre-1960 reynolds-531 10-speed
bike, or a high zoot bike like Schwinn Black Phantom. Generally, i
prefer to work on aluminum bikes.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

The Wogster said:

Quoted message said:

you can fiind for free or cheap. Note, I am not talking about finding
old Cinelli bikes and other high quality bikes, just department store
junk bikes.

I think that applies to anything, which would you rather spend your time
fixing up, an '96 Honda Accord, or a '63 Porsche?

It is obvious you did not actualy read or understand what I wrote. If
you reread the last sentence of my post, I think it covers your comment
above. An old Cinelli is comparable to your quoted 1963 Porsche. Both
worth fixing/restoring. A 1996 Honda would be comparable to the higher
quality bikes I mention in prior sentences. Worth overhauling and
riding. If you had mentioned a 1975 Pinto, or 1973 Gremlin, or 1979
Chevette, or 1985 K car, then these would be comparable to department
store junk bikes not worth the time fixing or overhauling or hardly
driving.

Quoted message said:

I have an interesting dilemma right now, keep my '95 Chrysler Intrepid,
which seems to have joined the $300-repair-a-month club, or go "car
free" for a while, and maybe pickup a commuter bike for summer and take
the bus in the Winter...... My wife changed universities so, she will
be commuting downtown this year. I can drive to work in 10 minutes, bus
it in 40 and probably bike it in about 25...... The bike commute has
the hill to/from hell, so that might be interesting.....

W

catzz66 said:

Quoted message said:

Recently I found a 1983 Fuji Absolute 12 speed bike in the garbage pile
in front of a house. It looked just fine. It had sat in the garage
unused for 20 years. It was a big 25" frame. I took it home and
overhauled it. No new parts. $5.30 total cost. I rode it around the
parking lot to make sure it worked when I was done. I then gave it to
my Mom to give to a place that needs usable bikes. I guess it was
worth it.

My first road bike was a 12 speed Fuji Supreme. I was going to mess
with it and either upgrade it or make it into a fixed gear, but it looks
and rides so good in near original condition that I am still alternating
it with my better bike. These old bikes can be nice, reliable rides
even if they aren't the "latest thing."

I find old bikes just not that great. I've had a couple of OK-quality
bikes from the 80's, including a 12-speed Fuji Supreme. The wheels
aren't good enough on a lot of these old bikes for serious mileage. I
prefer index shifting, sealed bottom brackets and better brakes
(especially than the single side pulls). The only thing I kept from the
Fuji (now a fixed gear) was the frame, front derailer and crank (moved
to another beater).

Mechanicals have improved so much from those days (including the price).
I'm not one to put much importance in frames, but those have improved a
lot, too.

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:53:51 -0400, <[email hidden]>,

C.J.Patten said:

I find it a bit depressing that I can't afford all the tools and materials I
need to do a nice restoration. (Oxalic acid for removing rust etc... ) Soon
though.

Some "muscle bike" restorers clued me to a neat way for removing the
pitting on paint and chrome. Aluminium foil and WD-40.

It removes (well, levels it anyway) the surface rust without hacking
up the paint. Requires a bit of elbow grease but works slick.

Try it. Scrunch up the foil, lube with WD-40 and rub like crazy.
--
zk

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Cole said:

I find old bikes just not that great.

They're do-fers. And there's some enjoyment in the
refurbishing process itself, for those who are so inclined.
But I'm leery about aged handlebars.

cheers,
Tom

--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

Peter Cole said:

catzz66 said:

Quoted message said:

Recently I found a 1983 Fuji Absolute 12 speed bike in the garbage pile
in front of a house. It looked just fine. It had sat in the garage
unused for 20 years. It was a big 25" frame. I took it home and
overhauled it. No new parts. $5.30 total cost. I rode it around the
parking lot to make sure it worked when I was done. I then gave it to
my Mom to give to a place that needs usable bikes. I guess it was
worth it.

My first road bike was a 12 speed Fuji Supreme. I was going to mess
with it and either upgrade it or make it into a fixed gear, but it
looks and rides so good in near original condition that I am still
alternating it with my better bike. These old bikes can be nice,
reliable rides even if they aren't the "latest thing."

I find old bikes just not that great. I've had a couple of OK-quality
bikes from the 80's, including a 12-speed Fuji Supreme. The wheels
aren't good enough on a lot of these old bikes for serious mileage. I
prefer index shifting, sealed bottom brackets and better brakes
(especially than the single side pulls). The only thing I kept from the
Fuji (now a fixed gear) was the frame, front derailer and crank (moved
to another beater).

Mechanicals have improved so much from those days (including the price).
I'm not one to put much importance in frames, but those have improved a
lot, too.

Yes, indeedy. It is a comfortable riding bike, though.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

C.J.Patten wrote:
-snip-

Quoted message said:

I found a folding bike in rough shape; nothing bent or missing but
everything rusty. Here are some pics of it and of the local bike guy's
operation:
http://ca.geocities.com/af895/bikes/
The folder was "made in Poland" for Canadian Tire - our equivalent of
Pro-Hardware or ACE if that helps. Also: it has a 3-speed, Shimano
internally geared hub.
Is it worth keeping the hub or is it junk?
Same question for the bike - worth fixing or should I just donate it and
hope Mr.Fixit can give it to someone?

Quoted message said:

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Made by Tyler.
Not bad and you might like riding it. Very similar to my own Bianchi
Aquiletta.

Quoted message said:

C.J.Patten wrote:
Googled that one...
http://www.mopedarmy.com/photos/brand/144/2588/
Damn.
That's a NICE bike! 🙂

Not quite.
Aquilett_a_ is a folding _bicycle_:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/aq.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

According to C.J.Patten <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I find it a bit depressing that I can't afford all the tools and materials I
need to do a nice restoration. (Oxalic acid for removing rust etc... ) Soon
though.

Has Wood Bleach been made illegal?

http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/using_wood_bleach.htm

----
Lars Lehtonen

Lars Lehtonen said:

According to C.J.Patten <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I find it a bit depressing that I can't afford all the tools and materials I
need to do a nice restoration. (Oxalic acid for removing rust etc... ) Soon
though.

Has Wood Bleach been made illegal?

http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/using_wood_bleach.htm

----
Lars Lehtonen.

..

Or Bar Keepers Friend...about a buck per pound in supermarkets.

catzz66 said:

Peter Cole wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I find old bikes just not that great. I've had a couple of OK-quality
bikes from the 80's, including a 12-speed Fuji Supreme. The wheels
aren't good enough on a lot of these old bikes for serious mileage. I
prefer index shifting, sealed bottom brackets and better brakes
(especially than the single side pulls). The only thing I kept from
the Fuji (now a fixed gear) was the frame, front derailer and crank
(moved to another beater).

Mechanicals have improved so much from those days (including the
price). I'm not one to put much importance in frames, but those have
improved a lot, too.

Yes, indeedy. It is a comfortable riding bike, though.

It's as "comfortable" as any others I have (I don't feel any difference
between it and a new-ish Cannondale, other than the Cannondale feels
more stable at high speed -- less flex, I guess).

The fair comparison is between that old salvaged frame and a brand new
Fuji frame/fork I got on Ebay for $70. Quality was comparable, old frame
was lugged, new one welded.