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  1. "Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping"

    This could well be explained by the .. coincidental .. finding .. of
    increased red blood cells("secondary of course"] .. polycythemia /
    erythrocytosis found in those with sleep apnea.

    Low libido .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.
    Sleep apnea .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.

    Both libido and apnea .. NOW .. it seems are linked to .. ? ..
    erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell production .. as a
    result .. OF .. ? .. increased iron stores / age related iron
    accumulation as a .. possibility.

    One would have to see if there is a link between increased iron and
    inability to sleep .. properly.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping
    Main Category: Women's Health / OBGYN News
    Article Date: 10 Jun 2007 - 11:00 PDT

    Women whose sexual desire diminishes during menopause are more likely
    to report disturbed sleep, depression symptoms, and night sweats,
    according to Group Health research in the June American Journal of
    Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    To the best of the research team's knowledge, this marks the first
    time that sleep disturbance has been independently associated with
    diminished sexual desire during or after menopause.

    The paper is based on data from Group Health's Herbal Alternatives for
    Treatment of Menopause Symptoms (HALT) study. Other results from this
    study, showing that the herbal supplement black cohosh did not relieve
    menopausal hot flashes or night sweats (hot flashes during sleep),
    were reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2006.

    All 341 of the women were chosen to be in the study because they were
    age 45 to 55 and had hot flashes, night sweats, or both. Of them, 64
    percent reported diminished sexual desire, 43 percent slept poorly,
    and 18 percent had major depression.

    "It seems reasonable that night sweats can disturb sleep," said Susan
    D. Reed, MD, MPH, the paper's lead author. Dr. Reed is an associate
    professor of obstetrics and gynecology and epidemiology at the
    University of Washington and an affiliate investigator at Group Health
    Center for Health Studies. "And poor sleep can reduce energy for
    everything, including sex."

    However, Dr. Reed cautioned against inferring cause and effect between
    depression and low libido. "They are each so complex that the
    interactions can be difficult to tease apart."

    Dr. Reed noted a well-established "catch 22": Like depression itself,
    treating depression with a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor
    (SSRI), the most common type of antidepressant medication, can
    interfere with interest in sex. Likewise, she added, although systemic
    hormone therapy with estrogen can reduce vaginal dryness, it can also
    lower women's natural testosterone, which affects some women's
    libido.

    "Before starting any drug treatment for changes that happen in
    menopause, women need to weigh their individual risks and benefits
    with their doctors," said Dr. Reed. She advocates beginning with self-
    care to lessen depression and sleep problems (see below). Previous
    studies have established that, for women, the most important factor
    for maintaining sexual desire is the quality of their intimate
    relationships. "Diminished desire can be a red flag that the
    relationship needs some work," she said. "Middle age is a great time
    for couples to check in with each other and work toward improving
    communication and nurturing their partnership."

    With age, sexual desire may be diminished for both women and men, said
    Dr. Reed, whose clinical practice is at the Women's Clinic at
    Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. But gender differences may
    complicate matters. "For women, greater intimacy tends to open the
    door to more sexual desire," she said. "That's not always true for
    men."

    "Our work reinforces the difficult time some women have during the
    menopause transition, and the importance of other symptoms happening
    at the same time," said Katherine M. Newton, PhD, associate director
    of Group Health Center for Health Studies and principal investigator
    of the HALT study. "We are planning future studies to explore further
    the associations between depression, night sweats, sleep, and libido,
    including genetic determinants."

    ###

    The National Institute on Aging and the National Center for
    Complementary and Alternative Medicine funded the study. The other
    authors are Andrea LaCroix, PhD, Louis Grothaus, MS, and Kelly
    Ehrlich, MS, of Group Health Center for Health Studies.

    About Group Health Center for Health Studies

    Founded in 1947, Group Health is a Seattle-based, consumer-governed,
    nonprofit health care system that coordinates care and coverage. Group
    Health Center for Health Studies conducts research related to
    prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of major health problems. It is
    funded primarily through government and private research grants.

    Self-care tips for menopause

    Changes that happen with menopause can disturb women's sense of well-
    being. But experts recommend a variety of steps that women can take on
    their own to feel better through the transition. Jane Ann Dimer, MD, a
    44-year-old Group Health Women's Health Service line chief, provided
    these self-care suggestions for the following menopause-linked
    symptoms:

    Depression:

    * Support ongoing regular physical exercise - whatever works for you
    (be it yoga or karate) - to promote fitness, balance, social
    networking, and an energetic approach to life.

    * Eat small, balanced meals, including snacks, at regular intervals.
    Avoid getting too hungry or overeating, because a full stomach can
    make you feel glum.

    * Try new activities.

    * Spend some time every day outside in the daylight.

    Low libido:

    * Address the changes that menopause and age - including changes in
    male sexual response - can bring to relationships.

    * Be aware that both women and men may need more time for arousal.

    * Try learning to massage each other.

    * Talk to your doctor about solutions for vaginal dryness, e.g.,
    lubricants and topical estrogen.

    Vaginal dryness:

    * Talk to your doctor about applying small amounts of vaginal
    estrogen, e.g., through an estradiol vaginal ring (which is discrete
    and not messy and can have the secondary effect of raising interest in
    sex through novelty).

    * Avoid unhealthy practices, e.g., douching and over-the-counter
    vaginal creams.

    Night sweats:

    * Sleep in a cool room. Near your bed, place ice water and a fan - or
    a spray bottle with plain or scented water.

    * Avoid possible triggers such as very hot liquids and alcohol.

    Disturbed sleep:

    * Try taking a warm shower just before going to bed: The effect of
    cooling off may help you drift to sleep.

    * Try wearing a sleep mask.

    * Especially if you snore, are overweight, or have lung problems, talk
    to your doctor about the possibility that you might have undiagnosed
    sleep apnea.

    * Some sleep disturbance results from tooth grinding. So ask your
    dentist whether you grind your teeth; if so, wearing a night guard
    might decrease your tooth grinding and help you sleep more soundly.

    Contact: Joan DeClaire
    Group Health Cooperative Center for Health Studies

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  2. ironjustice said:

    "Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping"

    Related information for your consideration...

    Roman Bystrianyk, "Another Look at Perimenopause and HRT", Health
    Sentinel, March 2, 2005,

    Perimenopause is defined as the transition from normal menstrual
    periods to no periods at all. The change can last on average from 7 to
    10 years. Hot flushes are most likely the first symptom we think of
    when discussing menopause or perimenopause along with a change in a
    woman's monthly cycle.

    A study in the Journal of Obstetric, Gynecological, & Neonatal Nursing
    looked at 200 healthy women drawn from a statewide population residing
    in Australia to identify the most common perimenopausal symptoms. The
    study authors found that contrary to the usual symptoms attributed to
    perimenopause, women in this study found forgetfulness, lack of
    energy, irritability, poor concentration, and weight gain occurred
    more frequently. Other common symptoms included nervousness, decrease
    in sexual interest, a decrease in feeling of well-being, early morning
    awakenings, as well as hot flushes.

    The symptoms that were considered the most distressing were weight
    gain, excessive bleeding, feeling frightened or panicky, leaking
    urine, lack of energy, poor concentration, irritability, a feeling
    that life was not worth living, forgetfulness, and difficulty falling
    asleep. Interestingly, "hot flushes were not one of the top 10 most
    distressing symptoms identified in the study."

    The authors also found that the most distressing symptom reported was
    weight gain. Of the 200 participants in the study, 132 experience this
    problem and 86% found weight gain to be from moderately to greatly
    distressing. In addition, almost three quarters of the women
    experienced some form of urinary incontinence.

    Although not originally anticipated in this study, women who used
    Hormone Replacement Therapy or HRT had significantly higher symptom
    scores than women who were not taking HRT. Those taking HRT, "scored
    higher for all subscale and total symptom scores", and "scored higher
    for all distress subscale and total distress scores."

    The authors conclude, "perimenopause is marked by more than hot
    flushes and night sweats; cognitive and affective [pertaining to
    feeling or a mental state] changes are other distressing symptoms. The
    relationship between hormone replacement therapy use and both symptom
    occurrence and symptom distress warrant further investigation. In
    addition, practitioners should address concerns related to urinary
    incontinence, weight gain, cognitive and affective dysfunction, and
    general health."

    SOURCE: Journal of Obstetric, Gynecological, & Neonatal Nursing,
    January/February 2005

    http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_news.php?id=030&title=Another+Look+at+Perimenopause+and+HRT&event=org_news_print_list_item

  3. "ironjustice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping"

    This could well be explained by the .. coincidental .. finding .. of
    increased red blood cells("secondary of course"] .. polycythemia /
    erythrocytosis found in those with sleep apnea.

    Low libido .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.
    Sleep apnea .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.

    Both libido and apnea .. NOW .. it seems are linked to .. ? ..
    erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell production .. as a
    result .. OF .. ? .. increased iron stores / age related iron
    accumulation as a .. possibility.

    One would have to see if there is a link between increased iron and
    inability to sleep .. properly.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping
    Main Category: Women's Health / OBGYN News
    Article Date: 10 Jun 2007 - 11:00 PDT

    Women whose sexual desire diminishes during menopause are more likely
    to report disturbed sleep, depression symptoms, and night sweats,
    according to Group Health research in the June American Journal of
    Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    To the best of the research team's knowledge, this marks the first
    time that sleep disturbance has been independently associated with
    diminished sexual desire during or after menopause.

    The paper is based on data from Group Health's Herbal Alternatives for
    Treatment of Menopause Symptoms (HALT) study. Other results from this
    study, showing that the herbal supplement black cohosh did not relieve
    menopausal hot flashes or night sweats (hot flashes during sleep),
    were reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2006.

    All 341 of the women were chosen to be in the study because they were
    age 45 to 55 and had hot flashes, night sweats, or both. Of them, 64
    percent reported diminished sexual desire, 43 percent slept poorly,
    and 18 percent had major depression.

    "It seems reasonable that night sweats can disturb sleep," said Susan
    D. Reed, MD, MPH, the paper's lead author. Dr. Reed is an associate
    professor of obstetrics and gynecology and epidemiology at the
    University of Washington and an affiliate investigator at Group Health
    Center for Health Studies. "And poor sleep can reduce energy for
    everything, including sex."

    However, Dr. Reed cautioned against inferring cause and effect between
    depression and low libido. "They are each so complex that the
    interactions can be difficult to tease apart."

    Dr. Reed noted a well-established "catch 22": Like depression itself,
    treating depression with a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor
    (SSRI), the most common type of antidepressant medication, can
    interfere with interest in sex. Likewise, she added, although systemic
    hormone therapy with estrogen can reduce vaginal dryness, it can also
    lower women's natural testosterone, which affects some women's
    libido.

    "Before starting any drug treatment for changes that happen in
    menopause, women need to weigh their individual risks and benefits
    with their doctors," said Dr. Reed. She advocates beginning with self-
    care to lessen depression and sleep problems (see below). Previous
    studies have established that, for women, the most important factor
    for maintaining sexual desire is the quality of their intimate
    relationships. "Diminished desire can be a red flag that the
    relationship needs some work," she said. "Middle age is a great time
    for couples to check in with each other and work toward improving
    communication and nurturing their partnership."

    With age, sexual desire may be diminished for both women and men, said
    Dr. Reed, whose clinical practice is at the Women's Clinic at
    Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. But gender differences may
    complicate matters. "For women, greater intimacy tends to open the
    door to more sexual desire," she said. "That's not always true for
    men."

    "Our work reinforces the difficult time some women have during the
    menopause transition, and the importance of other symptoms happening
    at the same time," said Katherine M. Newton, PhD, associate director
    of Group Health Center for Health Studies and principal investigator
    of the HALT study. "We are planning future studies to explore further
    the associations between depression, night sweats, sleep, and libido,
    including genetic determinants."

    ###

    The National Institute on Aging and the National Center for
    Complementary and Alternative Medicine funded the study. The other
    authors are Andrea LaCroix, PhD, Louis Grothaus, MS, and Kelly
    Ehrlich, MS, of Group Health Center for Health Studies.

    About Group Health Center for Health Studies

    Founded in 1947, Group Health is a Seattle-based, consumer-governed,
    nonprofit health care system that coordinates care and coverage. Group
    Health Center for Health Studies conducts research related to
    prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of major health problems. It is
    funded primarily through government and private research grants.

    Self-care tips for menopause

    Changes that happen with menopause can disturb women's sense of well-
    being. But experts recommend a variety of steps that women can take on
    their own to feel better through the transition. Jane Ann Dimer, MD, a
    44-year-old Group Health Women's Health Service line chief, provided
    these self-care suggestions for the following menopause-linked
    symptoms:

    Depression:

    * Support ongoing regular physical exercise - whatever works for you
    (be it yoga or karate) - to promote fitness, balance, social
    networking, and an energetic approach to life.

    * Eat small, balanced meals, including snacks, at regular intervals.
    Avoid getting too hungry or overeating, because a full stomach can
    make you feel glum.

    * Try new activities.

    * Spend some time every day outside in the daylight.

    Low libido:

    * Address the changes that menopause and age - including changes in
    male sexual response - can bring to relationships.

    * Be aware that both women and men may need more time for arousal.

    * Try learning to massage each other.

    * Talk to your doctor about solutions for vaginal dryness, e.g.,
    lubricants and topical estrogen.

    Vaginal dryness:

    * Talk to your doctor about applying small amounts of vaginal
    estrogen, e.g., through an estradiol vaginal ring (which is discrete
    and not messy and can have the secondary effect of raising interest in
    sex through novelty).

    * Avoid unhealthy practices, e.g., douching and over-the-counter
    vaginal creams.

    Night sweats:

    * Sleep in a cool room. Near your bed, place ice water and a fan - or
    a spray bottle with plain or scented water.

    * Avoid possible triggers such as very hot liquids and alcohol.

    Disturbed sleep:

    * Try taking a warm shower just before going to bed: The effect of
    cooling off may help you drift to sleep.

    * Try wearing a sleep mask.

    * Especially if you snore, are overweight, or have lung problems, talk
    to your doctor about the possibility that you might have undiagnosed
    sleep apnea.

    IF you snore or overweight..."you might have undiagnosed sleep apnea"

    the rest of your rant is BS....menopausal sleep issues are related to
    hormonal changes...

    not erythro etc etc...

    but then your search enginge ONLY popped up sleep apnea so you did not..nor
    could not interpret the entire article

    typical...

    Quoted message said:


    * Some sleep disturbance results from tooth grinding. So ask your
    dentist whether you grind your teeth; if so, wearing a night guard
    might decrease your tooth grinding and help you sleep more soundly.

    Contact: Joan DeClaire
    Group Health Cooperative Center for Health Studies

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  4. Hey, Fe Man, you need to stop having so many periods.

    ironjustice said:

    "Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping"

    This could well be explained by the .. coincidental .. finding .. of
    increased red blood cells("secondary of course"] .. polycythemia /
    erythrocytosis found in those with sleep apnea.

    Low libido .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.
    Sleep apnea .. and erythrocytosis / increased red blood cells .. are
    found .. together.

    Both libido and apnea .. NOW .. it seems are linked to .. ? ..
    erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell production .. as a
    result .. OF .. ? .. increased iron stores / age related iron
    accumulation as a .. possibility.

    One would have to see if there is a link between increased iron and
    inability to sleep .. properly.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Low Libido In Menopause Linked To Trouble Sleeping
    Main Category: Women's Health / OBGYN News
    Article Date: 10 Jun 2007 - 11:00 PDT

    Women whose sexual desire diminishes during menopause are more likely
    to report disturbed sleep, depression symptoms, and night sweats,
    according to Group Health research in the June American Journal of
    Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    To the best of the research team's knowledge, this marks the first
    time that sleep disturbance has been independently associated with
    diminished sexual desire during or after menopause.

    The paper is based on data from Group Health's Herbal Alternatives for
    Treatment of Menopause Symptoms (HALT) study. Other results from this
    study, showing that the herbal supplement black cohosh did not relieve
    menopausal hot flashes or night sweats (hot flashes during sleep),
    were reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2006.

    All 341 of the women were chosen to be in the study because they were
    age 45 to 55 and had hot flashes, night sweats, or both. Of them, 64
    percent reported diminished sexual desire, 43 percent slept poorly,
    and 18 percent had major depression.

    "It seems reasonable that night sweats can disturb sleep," said Susan
    D. Reed, MD, MPH, the paper's lead author. Dr. Reed is an associate
    professor of obstetrics and gynecology and epidemiology at the
    University of Washington and an affiliate investigator at Group Health
    Center for Health Studies. "And poor sleep can reduce energy for
    everything, including sex."

    However, Dr. Reed cautioned against inferring cause and effect between
    depression and low libido. "They are each so complex that the
    interactions can be difficult to tease apart."

    Dr. Reed noted a well-established "catch 22": Like depression itself,
    treating depression with a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor
    (SSRI), the most common type of antidepressant medication, can
    interfere with interest in sex. Likewise, she added, although systemic
    hormone therapy with estrogen can reduce vaginal dryness, it can also
    lower women's natural testosterone, which affects some women's
    libido.

    "Before starting any drug treatment for changes that happen in
    menopause, women need to weigh their individual risks and benefits
    with their doctors," said Dr. Reed. She advocates beginning with self-
    care to lessen depression and sleep problems (see below). Previous
    studies have established that, for women, the most important factor
    for maintaining sexual desire is the quality of their intimate
    relationships. "Diminished desire can be a red flag that the
    relationship needs some work," she said. "Middle age is a great time
    for couples to check in with each other and work toward improving
    communication and nurturing their partnership."

    With age, sexual desire may be diminished for both women and men, said
    Dr. Reed, whose clinical practice is at the Women's Clinic at
    Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. But gender differences may
    complicate matters. "For women, greater intimacy tends to open the
    door to more sexual desire," she said. "That's not always true for
    men."

    "Our work reinforces the difficult time some women have during the
    menopause transition, and the importance of other symptoms happening
    at the same time," said Katherine M. Newton, PhD, associate director
    of Group Health Center for Health Studies and principal investigator
    of the HALT study. "We are planning future studies to explore further
    the associations between depression, night sweats, sleep, and libido,
    including genetic determinants."

    ###

    The National Institute on Aging and the National Center for
    Complementary and Alternative Medicine funded the study. The other
    authors are Andrea LaCroix, PhD, Louis Grothaus, MS, and Kelly
    Ehrlich, MS, of Group Health Center for Health Studies.

    About Group Health Center for Health Studies

    Founded in 1947, Group Health is a Seattle-based, consumer-governed,
    nonprofit health care system that coordinates care and coverage. Group
    Health Center for Health Studies conducts research related to
    prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of major health problems. It is
    funded primarily through government and private research grants.

    Self-care tips for menopause

    Changes that happen with menopause can disturb women's sense of well-
    being. But experts recommend a variety of steps that women can take on
    their own to feel better through the transition. Jane Ann Dimer, MD, a
    44-year-old Group Health Women's Health Service line chief, provided
    these self-care suggestions for the following menopause-linked
    symptoms:

    Depression:

    * Support ongoing regular physical exercise - whatever works for you
    (be it yoga or karate) - to promote fitness, balance, social
    networking, and an energetic approach to life.

    * Eat small, balanced meals, including snacks, at regular intervals.
    Avoid getting too hungry or overeating, because a full stomach can
    make you feel glum.

    * Try new activities.

    * Spend some time every day outside in the daylight.

    Low libido:

    * Address the changes that menopause and age - including changes in
    male sexual response - can bring to relationships.

    * Be aware that both women and men may need more time for arousal.

    * Try learning to massage each other.

    * Talk to your doctor about solutions for vaginal dryness, e.g.,
    lubricants and topical estrogen.

    Vaginal dryness:

    * Talk to your doctor about applying small amounts of vaginal
    estrogen, e.g., through an estradiol vaginal ring (which is discrete
    and not messy and can have the secondary effect of raising interest in
    sex through novelty).

    * Avoid unhealthy practices, e.g., douching and over-the-counter
    vaginal creams.

    Night sweats:

    * Sleep in a cool room. Near your bed, place ice water and a fan - or
    a spray bottle with plain or scented water.

    * Avoid possible triggers such as very hot liquids and alcohol.

    Disturbed sleep:

    * Try taking a warm shower just before going to bed: The effect of
    cooling off may help you drift to sleep.

    * Try wearing a sleep mask.

    * Especially if you snore, are overweight, or have lung problems, talk
    to your doctor about the possibility that you might have undiagnosed
    sleep apnea.

    * Some sleep disturbance results from tooth grinding. So ask your
    dentist whether you grind your teeth; if so, wearing a night guard
    might decrease your tooth grinding and help you sleep more soundly.

    Contact: Joan DeClaire
    Group Health Cooperative Center for Health Studies

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 12, 8:45 am, <[email hidden]> wrote: the rest of your rant is BS....menopausal sleep issues are related to


    hormonal changes... <<

    "menstruation as natural phlebotomy "

    J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50. Related Articles, Links

    Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible
    role
    of
    menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

    Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S,
    Kondo
    M,
    Ichihashi M.

    Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

    We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria
    cutanea
    tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions
    accompanied
    by high
    serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is
    known to be
    a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
    menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
    exacerbation is discussed.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  6. "ironjustice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 12, 8:45 am, <[email hidden]> wrote: the rest of your rant
    is BS....menopausal sleep issues are related to


    hormonal changes... <<

    "menstruation as natural phlebotomy "

    J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50. Related Articles, Links

    Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible
    role
    of
    menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

    apples and bananas...as usual

    I believe this started as a thread re menopause...

    Quoted message said:

    Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S,
    Kondo
    M,
    Ichihashi M.

    Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

    We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria
    cutanea
    tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions
    accompanied
    by high
    serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is
    known to be
    a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
    menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
    exacerbation is discussed.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

    Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 14, 11:33 pm, <[email hidden]> wrote: I believe this started as a thread re menopause...<<

    menopausal exacerbation: the possible
    role of menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

    And it .. **still** .. is ..

    The word .. menopausal .. is a .. derivative of the .. word ..
    menopause ..

    Do you see exactly WHY your .. contributions .. are .. suspect .. ?

    It is because .. ? .. because .. ?

    You are .. beyond .. stupid ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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    Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S,
    Kondo
    M,
    Ichihashi M.

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    Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

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    We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria
    cutanea
    tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions
    accompanied
    by high
    serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is
    known to be
    a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
    menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
    exacerbation is discussed.

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    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

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    PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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